k. i went outside at lunch today and took some pics of the sun with my cell phone and also a video. both has the spot in the sun. i will have to find my cables so i can upload these to the computer. when i do i will get them on here. plus someone needs to show me how to put a pic on here.

Originally posted by The time lord
What has it got to do with Mary people?
Where is she in all this? It does not make sense. I hope its a good sign because if its not then it could be evil to decieve the public. It could be a a camera trick.

These supernatural signs accompany the Blessed Virgin as a special grace to those who reverence her. It is a form of confirmation that the supernatural is present because not everyone is blessed enough to see the Blessed Virgin herself. Nevertheless, they are blessed with other holy signs that let them know that an extraordinary event is taking place. Otherwise anyone could claim that they are communicating with the Blessed Mother and no one would have any way of knowing for certain whether they were actually having such apparitions or lying or deluded. Such events as the miracle of the sun occur only at times and places of genuine apparitions.

Also God has not resserrected Mary son of Jesus yet unless I missed something from the Bible. I know Enoch went to Heaven but that is it so far. Also all this contaradicts what the Bible says It could have evil intentions either man made to decieve and make money or like the bright star at Bethlehem get the Roman emporer to destroy all new borns from 0-24 months of age as it could have appeared when Jesus was 2 years old.

We have to decide if we have interpreted the Bible correctly or perhaps misunderstood parts, which can and does happen. If events in the present occur which reveal a Divine Truth and that Truth seems to be at variance from a part of Biblical Truth then we must consider that we misinterpreted that part of the Bible. But I do think there is a passage in the Bible that says that after the resurrection of Christ the graves were opened and gave up the dead and that they were seen by many. I am no sure exactly where in the Bible I read that passage but I think it was in the book of Mathew. I will try to find the exact location of the passage and post it here. As you can see I am not as well versed in Holy Scripture as I should be.

Originally posted by Funkydung
k. i went outside at lunch today and took some pics of the sun with my cell phone and also a video. both has the spot in the sun. i will have to find my cables so i can upload these to the computer. when i do i will get them on here. plus someone needs to show me how to put a pic on here.

Splendid! Can't wait to see them. Thanks for taking the shots at risk to your equipment. I read one of the messages from another poster that warned that photos of the sun should not be taken without some kind of filter or the camera could be damaged.

The time lord,

Here is the passage from the Bible (King James version) that I was referring to in a previous post...

Mathew 27:

52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Originally posted by SkyWay
I am no expert on videography nor photography, but I have certainly seen many photos and videos of the sun in magazines, on television and in movies and I have never seen any captures that showed the sun as a black spot with the normal radiance that the sun has when it is fully risen and unobscured by clouds. Has anyone ever seen a photo of the sun in National Geographic or perhaps an astronomy magazine that shows this kind of peculiar condition of the sun?

Like I said before. It's the cheap, low quality cameras. Like webcams and camera phones that this happens too. People who specifically take pictures of the sun generally have a lens filter (as in a tinted piece of glass). My regular digital camera won't do this, but my webcam will.

EDIT: A friend of mine just recreated the effect with his webcam and an LED light. I'll post the examples when I get them later.

[edit on 22-11-2006 by jra]

Originally posted by jra
Like I said before. It's the cheap, low quality cameras. Like webcams and camera phones that this happens too. People who specifically take pictures of the sun generally have a lens filter (as in a tinted piece of glass). My regular digital camera won't do this, but my webcam will.

Even with cheap equipment the black sun does not appear commonly. Pictures have been taken with the sun in the background since time immemorial and the sun usually comes out just as a brilliant spot. I have never seen it any other way in photos regardless of the camera that was used. I have even taken photos of the sun with a disposable 35 mm camera and it just appeared as the normal image of the sun. I would appreciate it tremendously if you would upload the videos, for our viewing, that you take of the sun with your webcam that show the same effect as the one in the video of the sun taken at Medjugorje.

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[edit on 22-11-2006 by SkyWay]

Originally posted by SkyWay
The time lord,

Here is the passage from the Bible (King James version) that I was referring to in a previous post...

Mathew 27:

52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Hi there I know this and Mary was still alive when this happened it was an isolated occurance not a worldly mass resurrection a bit like when the stones split it only happened in that region.

By the way there are two resurrections, one for the saints the Believers and two for the non belivers after the 1000 years of peace.
Mary is not alive yet and many bones are still in their graves as you well know untill God lifts up the dead once more even the ones from the Sea even if you have become like dust. But it has not happened yet afraid to say.

But be careful the Devil will also make maraculous signs even fire to come down from the sky and maybe more things. UFO's too are suspiciously demonic in nature so you can see why you have to scutinise.

[edit on 22-11-2006 by The time lord]

Originally posted by SkyWay
I have even taken photos of the sun with a disposable 35 mm camera and it just appeared as the normal image of the sun.

Ummm... yeah it didn't happen because it was film. Webcams and camera phones are digital. And cheap little digital cameras haven't been around for that long....

Originally posted by The time lord
Mary is not alive yet and many bones are still in their graves ...

Actually her grave is empty. You can visit it and see that it's empty. It's on a tourist route now. Oral tradition that has been passed down for 2,000 years says that just after she died Christ took her body and soul into heaven. Much the same way Enoch and Elijah were taken in the O.T.

That's not in scripture. Many, many things that happened are not in scripture. That's oral tradition.

Cameras have an aperature like the lense of an eye that it gets bigger and smaller if automatic. But if too much light or not enough light gets through it has to compensate the brightness.

I have stared at the sun and it goes blue in colour after a while and the after image for example when someone uses a camera flash stays in your eye overlaps the sun once more making a kind of eclipse effect and changing of coulours in side that because you are over stimulating the colour receptors of the eye.
But I fear that people are seeing the wrong thing and twisting what the Bible actually says, so in the long term its not a good idea.

A lot of what happened in Jeruselem like in 70 AD was destroyed and maybe her tomb, but are we sure it was actullay Mary son of Jesus? Plus a lot of evidence was taken away when Arabs came along and frankly still does or gets ignored in that region because of conflic of interest. Its interesting and guess what I was brought up a Roman Chatholic so no bias from me that is why I am interested, but yet not convinced.

Originally posted by SkyWay
I am no expert on videography nor photography, but I have certainly seen many photos and videos of the sun in magazines, on television and in movies and I have never seen any captures that showed the sun as a black spot with the normal radiance that the sun has when it is fully risen and unobscured by clouds.

That is because they have expensive and high tech equipment while i only have a cheap digital camera that is not worth more then 50$.

Sorry but there is no miracle here, it's only the camera and i have seen the sun black like that many times before with a cheap camera...

And yes i do have a video of this black sun and every single time i would go and take a video of the sun it would 100% of the time be black like the youtube video.


Im sorry but i can't possibly imagine anyone think that when the sun is black on a video camera that it's a miracle.... that's just extremely hopefull for a miracle.... even blind.

Originally posted by The time lord

Hi there I know this and Mary was still alive when this happened it was an isolated occurance not a worldly mass resurrection a bit like when the stones split it only happened in that region.

By the way there are two resurrections, one for the saints the Believers and two for the non belivers after the 1000 years of peace.
Mary is not alive yet and many bones are still in their graves as you well know untill God lifts up the dead once more even the ones from the Sea even if you have become like dust. But it has not happened yet afraid to say.

I would like to know how you come to the conclusion that the resurrection of those described in the Bible was an isolated occurance. That is not in the Bible as far as I know. And if any of the dead were resurrected then who is to say that all others were not resurrected, especially one as holy as Mary. Who could be more deserving than she who was deemed most worthy of all women to give birth to the body of our Saviour? It would seem unlikely that the one through whom the Saviour of the world manifested into the world would then be allowed to remain in the grave while others who had not participated in such a critical part of God's plan of salvation had already been resurrected. That seems unjust to me, and God is just.

But be careful the Devil will also make maraculous signs even fire to come down from the sky and maybe more things. UFO's too are suspiciously demonic in nature so you can see why you have to scutinise.
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Thank you for such wise council, The time lord. I have never forgotten that admonition from Holy Scripture, and exercise the greatest discernment that I can in deciding what the source of supernatural events may be. For I know well that the time will come, and may already have started with the fire from the sky by the devil and his demons, especially where the so-called aliens are concerned, which I am convinced are actually demons. But we must not lump all supernatural works as being of the devil, for the Lord also works supernaturally and still works miracles. We must weigh carefully the miracles that appear and decide if they are genuine works of God, or counterfeit miracles of the devil. I think one of the best ways to determine this is if the miracles are effective in bringing people closer to Christ, and if they result in more virtuous conduct where the person strives harder to be holy like our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by SkyWay
I have even taken photos of the sun with a disposable 35 mm camera and it just appeared as the normal image of the sun.

Ummm... yeah it didn't happen because it was film. Webcams and camera phones are digital. And cheap little digital cameras haven't been around for that long....

I thought you were referring to ALL cheaper cameras when you wrote that the effect happens often in cheaper cameras. I guess then that the old film cameras can take better photos of the sun than the newer digital cameras. That's progress?
But I did recently buy a little digital camera(Samsung S500) and will see how IT takes pictures of Old Sol. I am by no means an expert in photography -- just beginning to take an interest in it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by The time lord
Mary is not alive yet and many bones are still in their graves ...

Actually her grave is empty. You can visit it and see that it's empty. It's on a tourist route now. Oral tradition that has been passed down for 2,000 years says that just after she died Christ took her body and soul into heaven. Much the same way Enoch and Elijah were taken in the O.T.

That's not in scripture. Many, many things that happened are not in scripture. That's oral tradition.

You know FlyersFan, when Our Lady is appearing to thousands of people, if not actually millions, that pretty much settles the question as far as I am concerned. I mean, if there is question about exactly what happened thousands of years ago, there can be little or no question about what is happening TODAY! And today -- in the present -- the Blessed Virgin is showing the world that she is very much ALIVE! The past may be in dispute, but not the present. And in the present there are thousands and thousands of witnesses to the presence of the Blessed Mother Mary. I think even greater events than the ones happening in places such as Medjugorje are going to take place in the near future which will remove any questions some people may have about the life of Mary in this present time.

Originally posted by SkyWay
But I did recently buy a little digital camera(Samsung S500) and will see how IT takes pictures of Old Sol. I am by no means an expert in photography -- just beginning to take an interest in it.

That's not cheap.......


Edited: I don't think it's cheap enough to see the sun black so don't go thinking that the black sun is a miracle just because your camera is good enough not to have the sun blacked out.

[edit on 22-11-2006 by selfless]

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[edit on 22-11-2006 by selfless]

Originally posted by The time lord
Cameras have an aperature like the lense of an eye that it gets bigger and smaller if automatic. But if too much light or not enough light gets through it has to compensate the brightness.

I have stared at the sun and it goes blue in colour after a while and the after image for example when someone uses a camera flash stays in your eye overlaps the sun once more making a kind of eclipse effect and changing of coulours in side that because you are over stimulating the colour receptors of the eye.
But I fear that people are seeing the wrong thing and twisting what the Bible actually says, so in the long term its not a good idea.

It's not a good idea to stare at the sun for too long. It can cause serious damage to your vision. Some people have become blind from staring at the sun. It is one of the things that make the miracles of the sun in Medjugorje and other apparition sites so amazing because people are able to look directly at the sun without damaging their vision. In such instances, the sun doesn't even hurt their eyes when they look at it. But this is the case ONLY in places where the Blessed Virgin is appearing. My eyes begin to hurt if I even look in the general direction of the sun. In fact, it almost seems as if the sun has become brighter than it used to be. Maybe my eyes have just become more sensitive.

skyway don't you get it by now that it was not a miracle it was a crappy camera that made the sun black, or are you blinded by the sun?

Originally posted by SkyWay
I thought you were referring to ALL cheaper cameras when you wrote that the effect happens often in cheaper cameras.

Nope. I just ment cheap, low quality digital cameras. Sorry for not being clearer.

I guess then that the old film cameras can take better photos of the sun than the newer digital cameras. That's progress?

Depends on the type of film compared to the type of digital camera. They are not all one and the same. All film cameras will just have a normal bright glow as will the majority of digital cameras.

But I did recently buy a little digital camera(Samsung S500) and will see how IT takes pictures of Old Sol. I am by no means an expert in photography -- just beginning to take an interest in it.

I'm very sure no black dot will appear over the Sun with this camera. It's a relatively good quality camera. Especially when compared to webcams and camera phones.