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6 Muslim Imams removed from flight.

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posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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They don't prevent people saying Christian prayers on planes in the ME, they kidnapped and behead them. Then they allow fellow followers to drag them through the streets and be hung and burned on a tree.

I mean, I know damn well someone could not get on a plane in a white KKK robe, (Xtreme Christian Right) without someone saying something, or feeling strange. If he was smart, he would get a ticket in first class and pack his hood.

This was COMPLETE lack of common sense, of people who are so versed in the law they would not understand the concept of what they did. If anything this was done to again garner more sympathy to the cause, to ensure complacency. You what happens then....




posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 10:03 PM
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WCIP

Mcveigh is dead. I know that you know that but..how about some guy that is still alive.

How about a group of white dudes. Gathered together, chanting in a way that you are not familar with. Getting on the plane together..Would it even pique your interest?



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 10:05 PM
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hey vitchillo, if you were one of the passengers of 911, you would be crying in the back of the plane. those with the loudest mouth are usually the ones most scared. besides, so what. the passengers got scared. what does no balls have to do with anything vitchillo, or is it you want attention today. no balls. muslims have been killing one another for years because of their ways. it is a fact. and after 911, yeah, you too would be a little jittery if 6 muslims got on your plane. you just won't admitt that you sometimes get scared, because you are above that , right vitchillo. only you have the biggest balls , RIGHT. go cry somewhere else vitchello. the pilot can kick anyone he pleases off the plane with just cause. im sure he had just cause. maybe we should have more people like the guy who kicked the muslims off. maybe we would have less terrrorists on our planes. and i mean any terrorist, not just muslims either. he kicked them off , so what . he kicked them off, big deal. you woulden't hear about it if it were 6 white americans,or chinese or indians or any others getting kicked off the plane. its a news issue, 911 issue, not racist. do you get my point. why is it we americans get the axe everytime when some poor fellow comes along and says that we are discriminating , or a racist . then at this point, all others join in and say america is racist. this is bull#. america is getting a bad wrap. it is this few peoples here that give U.S.A a bad rap. we have our idiots too. so lets take a look in the mirror before we say or do anything. they sent 6 muslims off. so what. now all the muslims must be in an uproar now and rage furry on that damb, racist america. THIS IS IGNORANCE, DO NOT LISTEN. who cares, 6 people got kicked off the plane, so what if they were muslims. i like your reply, ATSGUY it tells the truth. happy thanksgiving to all of you .

[edit on 21-11-2006 by littlebird]



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Mcveigh is dead. I know that you know that but..how about some guy that is still alive.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The 19 hijackers, who half a decade ago started all this now irrational fear, are also dead (well, some of them have come forward claiming they're alive, but that's another thread).


How about a group of white dudes. Gathered together, chanting in a way that you are not familar with. Getting on the plane together..Would it even pique your interest?
I'm an expatriate living abroad and my work revolves around manufacturing and exporting between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East, so I fly A LOT. People speaking odd languages, wearing strange clothes, and exhibiting different religious customs in airports and everywhere else is a common experience for me and I've never asked that anyone be removed form a plane because of it. But to answer your question, would a bunch of white guys chanting something weird pique my interest? Sure. Would a few Muslims performing Muslim prayers pique my interest? No.






[edit on 2006-11-21 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Would a few Muslims performing Muslim prayers pique my interest? No.




I think most of us would agree to that...but according to some reports there were other things that kind of pushed it past the initial "hmm I wonder why these Muslim guys are praying" stage. I think the whole story needs to come out so we can see what is true and what is being exaggerated.

[edit on 22/11/06 by Atomic]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 12:48 AM
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No one has named one point that proves that the passengers were dangerous or a threat. Name one thing. Did they have any weapons of any kinds, liquids, sharp metals, bombs, guns, ANYTHING?

If I was asked to get off a plane because of my looks, I would be pissed too and demand an explanation.

Why were the 6 passengers not allowed back on plane after screening?

Give good solid reasons for such drastic actions by airlines.

P.S. - Being scared is not reason to kick them off, being scared is the reason for you to get off.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 02:44 AM
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If Americans are scared of Muslims travelling on internal flights and want them removed from said flight it makes you wonder what is in store for the 6 million Muslims living in the US. Maybe this is what the internment camps are for.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 03:44 AM
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Originally posted by half_minded
Why were the 6 passengers not allowed back on plane after screening?

Give good solid reasons for such drastic actions by airlines.



These Nutjob Imam intentially behaved in a way that they new would make other passengers nervous, they should get a 12 month ban from ALL airlines.

They are even calling for a Boycott of US airways.

Guess what, its going to have the opposite effect, millions of American will prefer to fly US Airways safe in the knowledge that they dont take bull# from Numnuts!!


US Airways, my Airline of Choice !



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 05:23 AM
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ya know what??

in a world where mothers are forced to drink their baby's breastmilk, young children and senator's names are found on do not fly lists, granny's are searched, where jews are attacked and assaulted on planes by fearfull passengers, and everyone carries their personal shampoo, toothpaste ect in clear plastic bags........I just don't care of the 6 little Immans are offended or not! Cair was pretty good before 9/11 about publishing those great "kill the infedils, death to the americans" made by the top Immans overseas. As far as I can see, they played a small part in creating this fine world of servellance and fear we find ourselves living in. the mother who is now worried that she contaminated her baby's milk didn't play a role....the child that's name is found on the great do not fly list didn't play a role....by God if these people are harrassed and inconvenienced, why not 6 Immans standing up in a plane and saying prayers? What, are we susposed to be protecting americans only from white americans? Lest we offend the precious minority feelings?

but, I bet there will be a big stink about the 6 Little Immans, maybe even a few protests.......while others, not so noteworthies are harassed on a daily basis....

and ain't none of yas gonna say that if six white people got on a plane and stood in a circle joining hands, started praying for God to accept their sacirifice, help joe smoe fly straight like an arrow, and babbling alot of incoherit nonsense......you wouldn't feel the least bit uneasy. God, some would attack a jewish man for going to the bathroom and playing with an Ipod, or whatever it was....

it's the times we are living in...and if those 6 Little Immans didn't like the way they were treated, they have more power to change the times than most of us do!



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 06:19 AM
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I recently flew to america, detroit, i'm british, english..i was detained for 5 hours, treated like a terrorist and deported...

I've worked for the british goverment for almost 3 years as well.. i think some of the immagration staff forget people are human from other countrys, especially ones there closley allied with.. after 5 hours of being detained/interrogated. made to feel small, shouted at.. the guy still tried to trip me up askin me questions about germany.

I was then escorted onto the plane by 2 cops..my only crime?? being british..what is the world coming too... my fiance is american and she even tryed telling them, but they wouldn't listen.. I understand why there needs to be really tight security, but innocent people are having there holidays wrecked.

Oh and whats more they wrote all over the first page of my passport, over the royal crest with the statement written by the queen.. who do they think they are? I'm sure theres some treason law against that..over here anyway.

[edit on 22-11-2006 by clashrock]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:08 AM
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Why is everyone defending these 6? Has any one looked up the info on their organization ? Well I have and it is scary




Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan. Royer’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation, and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things, making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing, has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble unless it accepts Islam.

Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”). GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

Consistent with Hamas ideology, CAIR has served as a conduit for the distribution of materials and funds from foreign nationals to groups and institutions within the United States for the purpose of promoting radical Islam and Hamas ideology,
and attacked Islamic clerics and scholars who reject radical Islam and the Hamas agenda.



Source


The seat belt extension is also scary when you consider they could strangle a person with one, yet everyone is defending these known terrorist supporters. :shk:

[edit on 11/22/2006 by shots]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:19 AM
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Shots,

Logical Fallacy:

Hasty Generalization

Guilt by association

Your point is invalid

Next....



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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They were asked to leave the plane so they could talk to them and they refused.

Ignoring the instructions of airline staff is a federal offence.

It was there fault! Where do you draw the line? When 9/11 happens again, then what?



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by NextLevel
Oh Please

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Al Jazeera Wire Service, 21 November 2006

Six American men were removed from an SAA flight from Riyadh to on Sanaa, Yemen after passengers grew concerned about the suspicious behavior of the groups members. The passengers were removed by the Civil Airport Authorities and local Riyadh police escorts at the gate.





Oh Please,

How many Americans have flown planes into buildings ? How many strap bombs to themselves and blow up in a crowd ? How many get on their hands and knees praying to the moon[god] In some of those "peaceful and tolerent" countries you would be lashed. These six were overt and deliberate in their actions.They purposely did this knowing full well what would happen.


[edit: fixed quote tag]

[edit on 11/22/2006 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:55 AM
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But Dr. Fun Guy,

Should one follow an unjust law when it's obvious the only reason for that law being enforced is a racial bias?

That could be considered an Appeal to popular belief, another logical fallacy.



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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Rdang

Logical Fallacy:

Hasty Generalization

Point invalid

Next.....



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Rdang

Logical Fallacy:

Hasty Generalization

Point invalid

Next.....



Doesnt this forum have some sort of rule against :snip: replying to peoples posts like this ?



Its the second time in one page.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, stop it now please Rasobasi420

If everyone posted like you no one would come to this forum, use your head.


Next ....


Mod Note: General ATS Discussion Etiquette – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 11/22/2006 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 08:30 AM
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Okay,

Using a small percent of a total population to judge an entire population is called a Hasty Generalization.

I'm not sure about rules against what I did, but there are definately rules against calling me a [personal insult removed].

[edit on 11/22/2006 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420


Using a small percent of a total population to judge an entire population is called a Hasty Generalization.



And that sir is the correct way of replying to a comment


Sorry for calling you a [personal insult removed], i retract my hasty insult as im sure you are a person of good charactor.

[edit on 11/22/2006 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 08:41 AM
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I've been replying to small minded comments regarding Muslims so much that now, when I see such obvious logical fallacies I just point out the fallacy, judge the comment invalid, and go on to the next comment.

When I find a comment presented logically I will most certainly rebut using a well thought out response. If I don't feel the comment deserves more than a passing dismissal, then I won't give it one.



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