6 Muslim Imams removed from flight.

Originally posted by PlayeR87
Lets just say for example after the passenger voiced his concrens over the imams
and the airline decided to ignore it.........all of a sudden midflight, the plane is hijacked and smashed into a building, many people die and it becomes public that the airline was told before the flight of a possible problem, now the airlane is in the shi*s. now i aint saying that it would have happenend only that it could have
either way the airline is WRONG

And then we have another conspiracy forming o_O hehe

Yeah, I think people are paranoid. In my opinion some Americans find the difference in religious culture awkward, so when they see these muslims praying before a flight it makes them wonder? Is this a last prayer of some sort?

Muslims are being discriminated against, basically because most terror suspects are muslim. I would say if you fly you should be forced through the inconveniences of precaution and safety measures that the airlines/airport personnels choose. Better to be safe than sorry.

Originally posted by rdang

Originally posted by nextguyinline
If it's truly the case of an overly paranoid passenger, let's hope he/she was 85 and on their way out.

With this precedence, could it be plausible that passengers on any form of public transport can demand someone of Mulsim 'appearance' to be removed? Buses? Trains?
Tours?

Rediculous, I hope that passenger lost their luggage. Or at least a hairspary bottle exploded in it.

:edit to add: If I was Muslim, I'd be damned sure not to pray in airports before my flight!

[edit on 21-11-2006 by nextguyinline]

The ONLY part you got right was that they not pray just before getting on the plane.
What is wrong with someone being careful? Their actions were obviously alarming to some people.

I hope you agree that for now, a Muslim keeps his immediate best interests at heart by not openly praying in airports. I hope you don't agree because you think it's wrong on a fundamental level.

Being careful would have been leaving the plane and getting another flight. Hopefully one that doesnt have any of those muslim looking folk.

Being overly careful would have been standing up in the plane and announcing your suspicions to everyone followed by you asking the men to get off the plane.

Being cowardly and downright oppressive is sneaking a note to a stewardes to pass to the Captain asking for their removal.

All this situation just show the ignorance and hatred towards muslim of the average sixpack joe.. it's sad and disgusting. Fox News and their propaganda have made a great job to bring you to their clash of civilisation that they want, that they completly engineered since the beginning with 9/11.

: Originally posted by PlayeR87
Lets just say for example after the passenger voiced his concrens over the imams
and the airline decided to ignore it.........all of a sudden midflight, the plane is hijacked and smashed into a building, many people die and it becomes public that the airline was told before the flight of a possible problem, now the airlane is in the shi*s. now i aint saying that it would have happenend only that it could have
either way the airline is WRONG

This is going with assumption that the airline should bear the burden of responsibily for security related issues. I'm sorry, but we cannot ask the airlines for 100% security. It's irrational.

Flying is a priviledge like another poster mentioned. If you feel unsecure about your flight, you should leave. Asking another passenger to leave on unfounded suspicions, and in this case irrational paranoia, is plainly, clearly, WRONG. If you want to give credit to cautiousness, fine. The six Imams should have been let back on the plane PERIOD. If that doesn't suit the paranoid, then the paranoid should once again GET OFF THE PLANE THEMSELVES.

:edit to add:
It boils down to respect.

[edit on 21-11-2006 by nextguyinline]

Originally posted by Vitchilo
All this situation just show the ignorance and hatred towards muslim of the average sixpack joe.. it's sad and disgusting. Fox News and their propaganda have made a great job to bring you to their clash of civilisation that they want, that they completly engineered since the beginning with 9/11.

This is being manufactured by the media for the benefits of the media ownership and their friends that's what.

Sadly this story lacks information so it is difficult to know whether these men were discriminated against.

So far nobody has made a case here that they were a credible threat to anybody let alone the safety of the passengers.

One of the Imams asked for a seat belt extesion which raised suspicions of the passengers because the man was not overweight and did not need the extension. They were afraid the man would use the seat belt extension as a weapon to strangle somebody. This is according to the latest news.

[edit on 11-21-2006 by groingrinder]

Wow some people can be so stupid. I must admit even though i am muslim i still fear the fact that when i go on a plane sometrhing will happen it is actually my nightmare. This summer when i heard that 20 planes were sopposed to destroyed by liquid bombs made by terrirists i was freaked to even go near the air port. I mean even after 9/11 why in hell would you pray at an air port, even out in public where everyone can see you...

stupid..

This summer when i heard that 20 planes were sopposed to destroyed by liquid bombs made by terrirists i was freaked to even go near the air port.

Did you study the case? I mean, did you see how the situation they depicted was impossible? The bomb that they planned to do was impossible to do, plain and simple. They needed to be in the toilet for almost 5 hours, make a perfect mix of all the ingredients, ect... Even a pro in chemistry would find this very hard to do. It's was just pure propaganda, not a real threat at all.

HERE

Flight 300 was still at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport when the incident occurred. Before the imams boarded, they were ``praying loudly in the gate area. Some were heard to be making statements against the U.S. involvement in Iraq,'' Pat Hogan, spokesman for the airport, said in an interview today

Some of the six repeatedly said ``Allah'' as they boarded, then asked to change seats and requested safety-belt extensions that they put under their seats, Hogan said. One was overheard to say he would ``go to whatever measures necessary to obey all that is set out in the Koran,'' Hogan said.

These Nutjobs where intentially behaving in a manner that would cause suspicion and unease amongst passengers. So they deserved to be removed.



US Airways, My new Airline of Choice.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
All this situation just show the ignorance and hatred towards muslim of the average sixpack joe.. it's sad and disgusting. Fox News and their propaganda have made a great job to bring you to their clash of civilisation that they want, that they completly engineered since the beginning with 9/11.

Oh I forgot On CNN all the terrorists are white..
Fox propaganda...???
It isn't hatred its fear. Big difference.

It's hard to blame the passengers for being scared... come on. We're all scared for our lives, especially seeing what happened during 9/11 and all the other airplane plots being discovered over the past few years. Now, when we see a few men dressed in traditional Muslim robes, most of us DO get scared - it's our LIFE for God's sakes, who wouldn't have a little apprehension?

Now I'm not saying it was right to haev them kicked off the plane, but you've got to understand where these people are coming from.

Maybe those men shouldn't have dressed up in such a way... maybe if they wore casual clothing, nothing would of happened.

I mean, for example, if Japanese ninjas were going on trains everywhere slashing innocent victims, and the Japanese traditional dress was a ninja suite, I WUOLD NOT DRESS IN A NINJA SUIT WHEN BOARDING TRAINS, EVEN if it was my traditional clothing. Do you see where I'm coming from??

[edit on 21-11-2006 by k4rupt]

Oh Please

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Al Jazeera Wire Service, 21 November 2006

Six American men were removed from an SAA flight from Riyadh to on Sanaa, Yemen after passengers grew concerned about the suspicious behavior of the groups members. The passengers were removed by the Civil Airport Authorities and local Riyadh police escorts at the gate.

Witnesses described the actions of the group as highly suspicious, including reports of the men praying in a typical Christian ceremony in the gate area immediately before boarding. Fellow passengers mentioned that the ceremonies seemed more vocal and louder than normal, with "Amens!" and "Hallelujahs!" being shouted at the conclusion of the sermon.

Also, another passenger in the gate area from another flight who remained back to provide this detail mentioned how the Americans were vocally critical of the recent capture and subsequent torture in Bagdhad of Sunni Muslims by Shiite militiamen.

Later, on the plane, Flight Attendants noted that one of the men asked for a seat belt extension although he did not appear to be overweight. Also, the men lacked manners and seemed by be overly rude to other passengers, stepping on toes and bumping into people.

Later, Al Jazeera learned that the SIS (Saudi Intelligence Services) had issued bulletins in 2004 which mandated an Airline conformance to removing passengers from flights that met certain criteria, including: one way tickets, no checked baggage and flights booked within 24 hours of departure. In theory, SIS can force an airline to remove the passengers, although all airlines have voluntarily embraced and now enforce these criteria in their selection of passengers deemed 'terrorist risks'.

In a statement by the Saudi Airlines communications office, spokesman Ali Ghaeedan al Wazal said: "It is regrettable, but decision was made based on specific criteria in removal of the passengers from this flight. We were concerned because it was close to the holy Christian month of December, in addition all men were critical of recent issues in Iraq by locals, and also the baggage, ticket and newness of booking. So, we are confrimed in our decisions." Calls to the airline for more information have been unanswered.


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How do you like them apples? Right or wrong, it's all about context, perception and (perceived) reality. Grow up folks, it's life in the big world now.

And it's only going to get worse.

Everyone should sit down and face the facts here. They acted strangely according to virtually all reports and now we get this

One of the 6 Imans was linked to Hamas and bin laden

One of six Muslim imams pulled from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis last night by federal authorities is affiliated with a Hamas-linked organization and acknowledged a connection to Osama bin Laden in the 1990s.

Omar Shahin, who served as a spokesman for the clerics, is a representative of the Kind Hearts Organization, which had its assets frozen by the U.S. Treasury pending an investigation, notes Islam scholar Robert Spencer on his weblog JihadWatch

For all anyone knows they could have been planning attacks while in MPS or perhaps were going to AZ to make plans. Keep in mind that Hamas has made it very clear they intended to recruit I think 1200 suicide bombers just to attack targets in the US.

I think this was done on purpose.
This Prayer before flight.
Pretty common knowledge that a lot of people are afraid to fly, even when everything
is "normal".
I believe these Imams were screwing with the other passengers.
And now? they get to play the victim..Shame on them!

No loud praying of anykind before ANY flight..do it somewhere else, or under your breath. I don't want to hear it anyway..It's annoying.

Well of course these 6 men were escorted off the plane and searched???
So we will know soon if one of them was concealing a hidden plastic fork with intent to give someone else a nasty bruise.

It is entirely your right to pray where and when you like in a democraticaly free country, obvious laws withstanding.

Does anyone seriously believe a group of six obviously muslim passengers were not given "special treatment" before boarding a plane, and if not, why not?

I know a couple of people who would complain about "someone "ethnic" making me nervous" on a flight and sadly it is things like this that are only going to reinforce their blinkered view on the world.

These Imam Nutjobs did this intentionally for this reason.

ter·ror·ize (tĕr'ə-rīz')
Meaning
To fill or overpower with terror; terrify.
To coerce by intimidation or fear.

So its shown they intentionally terrorized passengers with loud prayers and other intimidating actions.


In short they are Terrorists by actions.


Lock them up in Guantanimo Bay.

I'll bet you these guys had a modicum of common sense.
I have a feeling that they probably watch the news as well.
They failed to exercise common sense. I believe they intended to cause a problem.
Now they have a Soapbox. And you WILL be hearing from them.
It was a stupid thing to do at an airport..And I blame them for their own troubles.

Hmmm..interesting. Perhaps there was some discussion at the conference about how to publicize anti-Islamic prejudice in the states by engineering one or more incidents aboard aircraft.

Nothing they did was abusive or illegal, it was simply interpreted as threatening. It does seem calculated though, if we believe the reports.

Calling them terrorists and locking them up in Gitmo is way too extreme, but I find the notion that they may have been looking for media involvement from the word 'Go' very interesting to say the least.

Most of us rational folks can understood the prayers - but the seatbelts are a very curious detail from where I'm sitting. It's an impractical weapon when guitar strings or bailing wire could be brought on board without much hassle, so I don't quite understand that angle.

What's so dangerous about seatbelt extensions?

I dunno...

I'm definitely thinking about this though, it's pretty strange.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

This summer when i heard that 20 planes were sopposed to destroyed by liquid bombs made by terrirists i was freaked to even go near the air port.

Did you study the case? I mean, did you see how the situation they depicted was impossible? The bomb that they planned to do was impossible to do, plain and simple. They needed to be in the toilet for almost 5 hours, make a perfect mix of all the ingredients, ect... Even a pro in chemistry would find this very hard to do. It's was just pure propaganda, not a real threat at all.

I was over seas on vacation, no computers, barely any tv time. I only had a glimps on the global cnn network and they never really said how they were planning on creating the bombs.

Also come on did they really need to make a scene. I mean how stupid can people get, usually when i get on a plane or go anywere i just say a small prair in my head. It helps me relax and i feel protected. I dont need to start yelling and going on the ground to make a scene.

[edit on 21-11-2006 by ATSGUY]

Next time I'm on a plane, if I see anybody that looks like Timothy McVeigh I'm going to ask that they be removed. That should take care of about half the flight and I'll finally be able to stretch out across four seats and catch some shut-eye.