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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
And now it sounds like a defeatist attitude.
The security checks did work, and the person who perceived a risk was a passenger who felt uncomfortable around a Muslim.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
I don’t care if u think different because that’s another topic in another forum and frankly I don’t need to waste my time with a nut who believe in that stuff anyway.
So lets just say that the attacks were real ok? And since they were....it WAS the islamics that changed the attitude of americans toward islamics in the first place.
i'm sorry but the world isn't all peaches and roses. People are nasty to each other and that's the way it is. The world is a cruel place. Survival of the fittest right? if you think about it, the people that are nice to everyone all the time get screwed over in the end. I've seen that only the most ruthless people get to the top.
reason people aren't scared of busniess people is because last time i checked, businessmen didn't strap explosives to themselves and detonate them.
so i will NOT learn about islam or the koran or any of that stuff. If anything they should pick up a rap cd, and buy the grand thef auto game and learn about my value system and my culture.
Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
And now it sounds like a defeatist attitude.
Nope, just waiting for some better ideas. Got any?
No, it was the crew that was concerned as well, and they would know about the checked luggage, the one way tickets, etc. One paranoid passenger is not gonna get them pulled.
An airport police report said the flight's captain had already decided he wanted the men off the plane after the passenger passed a flight attendant a note pointing out "Arabic men."
Witnesses said the men prayed in the terminal and made critical comments about the
Iraq war, according to the police report, and a US Airways manager said three of the men had only one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
An airport police officer and a federal air marshal agreed that the combination of circumstances was suspicious, and eventually asked the men to leave the airplane, the police report said.
"There were a number of things that gave the flight crew pause," Airport spokesman Patrick Hogan said. It wasn't immediately possible to verify whether the passengers who reported suspicious activity witnessed it themselves.
Originally posted by Diseria
Work towards changing it!
Walk up to these people and talk to them, or go out and get books and learn, talk to random people on the street about their views and figure out where their logic is falling short.
Sad thing is that we'll be labelled terrorists.
Okay. So..
they had absolutely no luggage (aka - nothing on-board with which to blow the plane up).
they had one-way tickets. (...how does it raise suspicion if they had no bomb? maybe they're coming for an extended visit -- then the only question to be raised is whether they have the proper paperwork.)
"It wasn't immediately possible to verify whether the passengers who reported suspicious activity witnessed it themselves" (aka - no conclusive proof)
Fine that people are scared. But I do not see any single logical reason why these men should have been removed from the plane.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
That is a fact...I can’t just go up to the middle of times square, pull out a megaphone and yell that I’m going to set off a nuclear bomb and kill the president and rape his mom...I’d be thrown in jail.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
So yes there IS a freedom of speech limit. What that limit should be.....is anyones call really.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
But the point is you can NOT say ANY and EVERY thing you want to say in a PUBLIC place. There will be consequences.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
People cling to that freedom of speech thing...when in fact it’s only really freedom of private speech.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Why do you think TV is cencored? Because some people will be offended by some things. I don’t fully agree with it, but the fact is that there is a limit as to how much freedom of speech you have.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
The islamic beliefs associated with negativity....are those who take islam to the extreame and become TERRORISTS. That fundamental islam garbage, is more rampant in the world than u think.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Why do you think all those little middle eastern countries have so much violence? Because they fight over which version of the koran is right, and have been fighting about it for CENTURIES.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
The middle east is a cesspool of ignorance and violence.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
And if u don’t believe me...just look how the real muslims treat their women! They make them wear veils, and treat them as second class citizens! I’m sorry, but no religon that does that to women is a good religion. And of course there are those who feel the need to strap a bomb to themself and blow theyself up outside a pizza shop or something. So yes, there are a lot of VERY negative things associated with islam and their people.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Look I dunno why u think america brought it on theyself or whatever. U apparently don’t agree that the terrorists changed america....look we’re not gonna speculate on 911 and what u believe about that. So for this debate we are going to say that the 911 attacks were real and orchestrated by real islamic terrorists. I don’t care if u think different because that’s another topic in another forum and frankly I don’t need to waste my time with a nut who believe in that stuff anyway.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
So lets just say that the attacks were real ok?
Originally posted by Spawwwn
And since they were....it WAS the islamics that changed the attitude of americans toward islamics in the first place.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
And lets talk about the whole “if u are offended u should leave” thing....well look at it like this, people had NO IDEA what they were saying. Was it a racist or bad prayer? Probably not...but the point is if they are speaking a different language we don’t know what they are saying.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Yes unfortunatley half if they come to this country knowing what happen on 911, and what happens in their little middle eastern states...then they will have to deal sometimes with thigns like this happening.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Not because it's right, but because it's a fact that radical islam does exit in the world today in a very violent and dangerous part of the world.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
So people coming from that section of the world need to be watched carefully and sometimes things like this are gonna happen, as to prevent another attack from happening.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
I'd rather offend or discriminate against a few muslims than have another 911 happen.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
i'm sorry but the world isn't all peaches and roses. People are nasty to each other and that's the way it is. The world is a cruel place. Survival of the fittest right? if you think about it, the people that are nice to everyone all the time get screwed over in the end. I've seen that only the most ruthless people get to the top.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
reason people aren't scared of busniess people is because last time i checked, businessmen didn't strap explosives to themselves and detonate them.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
I wanted to write more but I gtg. I’ll write more later..but let me end with this.
IF a person comes to america from a forgein land..they have to adapt to OUR culture, and OUR value system...not the other way around. There’s no reason I have to adapt to them because they are foreigners in MY country.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
They have to abide by american standards, and accept that americans may not like certain things they do. If they don’t like it they can go right back to the middle east. I’m sorry if that’s offensive but I firmly believe in NOT changing my belief sytem to accomadate others that came to my country. there's no reason i should have to. they need to change, not me.
Originally posted by Spawwwn
so i will NOT learn about islam or the koran or any of that stuff. If anything they should pick up a rap cd, and buy the grand thef auto game and learn about my value system and my culture.
Originally posted by dawnstar
www.washtimes.com...
Witnesses said three of the imams were praying loudly in the concourse and repeatedly shouted "Allah" when passengers were called for boarding US Airways Flight 300 to Phoenix. "I was suspicious by the way they were praying very loud," the gate agent told the Minneapolis Police Department.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
Originally posted by half_minded
Were they shouting 'Allah' or merely saying it??? We do not know.
To change their seats, the imams would have to either request a flight attendant or the passenger to make the switch.
I am pretty sure that out of 6 seats that the imams wanted to 'control' the entry/exits. Atleast one would have a passenger on it.
Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she "found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting." Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said........The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
The imams said they were not discussing politics and only spoke in English, but witnesses told law enforcement that the men spoke in Arabic and English, criticizing the war in Iraq and President Bush, and talking about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
Originally posted by half_minded
The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
Were the tickets upgraded? We dont know for sure yet.
Originally posted by shots
Say what we do know. The winesses said they shouted.
Originally posted by shots
They did request the seats be changed and they were told no, read page two, yet they were found in first class when they were removed from the plane.
Originally posted by shotsWell you would be wrong in assuming that. Many planes load the first class section last because the plane is loaded from rear
to front rather then front to rear as you appear to be assuming.
Originally posted by half_minded
They did not request for seat change. They said their ticket was upgraded. Read the report again and read my reply and you will get what I am saying.
Have u ever been on a plane??? Airlines ALWAYS board first class and business class first. ALWAYS.
This is always the case!!! I have never ever seen it different. And ive travelled a lot!
Originally posted by shots
Hmm you forgot to mention they were told there were no seats available
So pehaps you should read it again.
First class boards first, the imams are denied because there is no seat avaiable,
Originally posted by half_minded
Regardless of who boarded first. If the imams did occupy a seat which was unavailable then where is the passenger whose seat it was. Why is there no mention of him in the report?