Originally posted by Justmytype
May I ask your race?
I'm not sure it's relevant but since you may have a point to make, I'm mostly Irish-American and a bit Choctaw by way of Chicago and Texas. Pardon
my detail, but I've always felt a little uninteresting because of the way that government forms say "mark this bubble for white, this bubble for
black, or if you're brown, gives us a six digit grid on the location of your great great grandfather's house" (yeah, i'm exagerating, but as far
as the census is concerned there are like 10 flavors of asian and one big amorphous blob of white people).
Reason being is that you are correct we will be speaking Spanish in the United States if we do not take a stand now. This isnt racially
motivated but a preservation of our history and heritage.
I don't see how that's a reason for asking my race then, and as for heritage, I really don't know if horchata and menudo constitute a threat to
apple pie. Even if they did, I always sort of thought of American heritage in terms of rugged individualism, the great big rush that Tocqueville
observed, and a generally disagreeable nature in relation to rule of any kind. I'm pretty sure a cowboy is a cowboy regardless of his accent or the
contents of his lunch box.
White "English" speaking Europeans founded this nation and our language is part of our culture.
They didn't always speak English, nor were they uniformly white. Many of them learned it after they got here. New York started out Dutch. LA and SF
started out Spanish. The manpower of American industy came over speaking Irish and German. How much English do you believe was spoken in the camps as
the railroads were built which united the regional economies in America? I'm guessing it was Cantonese for the most part.
Do other countries accomidate thier heritage for those who decided to move to thier countries, absolutly not.
There is a difference between accomodating and not oppressing. The governmet does not require anyone to hire non-english speakers for customer
service. The "accomodations" that are made are made in large part out of self interest. We provide tax forms in other languages because we want the
dang tax money. Business print forms in other languages because it makes them money.
I feel if you have fled to the United states to become an American, then be one, speak the language, leave your prior countries flag where you
came from and embrace our culture as it was.
I'm an American, and I do it just fine without disowning my heritage. My people brought St. Patty's over here, thank god, and don't get in my way
when I'm headed for the bar to celebrate it, because you'd be surprised how much that little Irish flag can hurt when swung fast enough.
Too many immigrants are under the inconception that they are here to claim a piece of our land
1. Don't worry about it because it's not going to work for them.
2. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no mood to give it to them, but I don't blame them for wanting to try. It is, afterall, EXACTLY what we did to them.
American fillibusters (in the military sense, not the political) successfully added several stars to our flags at the expense of Mexico and Hawaii,
and they tried for even more in Mexico and also Canada. Now we've got it, we've done something with it, and we're not giving it back (afterall if
we started correcting the sins of everyone's grandfather now there would be about a thousand countries on the map, none of them independently viable
in the modern world) but let's not get hollier than thou about it.
I am sorry but if our country is going to allow all these diffrent ethnicities to embrace thier own culture here on our land, then why bother
being a country lets just let the races speak for themselves and fight for ownership of this land.
Your point of view here is culturally/ethnically nationalist. I disagree with it because I do not view a nation state (read the government which
citizens form over themselves) as having a legitimate purpose beyond providing for the common good of those people who support it. In other words, I
see our laws and government as a separate matter from out society. I do not believe that a change in society necessarily jeopardizes government.
Let's take it down to a situation anyone can probably identify with. You're in a pub, hanging out, having a good time with the "regulars" and a
crowd of new people show up and they just sorta rub you the wrong way. They talk about things that don't interest you, they play stuff on the jukebox
that you don't like, they order the wrong kind of beer, they crowd around and watch a game of pool they aren't party to, whatever. You're having a
culture clash with the new arrivals.
So what are your options? 1. Leave: not necessary and impractical on a larger scale. 2. Fight: not worth the consequences. 3. Ignore them: Bingo.
Just do what you do. Don't change a dang thing about your life. They try to talk to you about something you don't care about, you just nod politely,
turn back to your friend, and talk about what interests you. They order the bar a round of something you don't like, you order the bar a round of
what you do.
You know what's going to happen when you respond that way? One of several things. 1. They start trying to fit in. 2. They leave. 3. You get used to
some of it, maybe even find yourself able to change without minding.
You don't have to make a bunch of rules and enforce them rigidly, you just keep your cool and let society evolve and you'll fall into your niche no
No more African Americans, No more Italian Americans, No more Muslim Americans no more!!!!
Only way to get rid of this Irish American is to deport him. I'm not going to change the way I do things just because I sometimes clash with
Mexican-Americans (which I do). I'm gonna let them do their thing so I can do my thing and it's gonna work out.