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Topic started on 20-11-2006 @ 12:39 PM by Infoholic

Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place



President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place, a Republican congressman told WND in an exclusive interview.

"People have to understand what we're talking about here. The president of the United States is an internationalist," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where this guy is really going."

Tancredo lashed out at the White House's lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.


If you think this is bogus, maybe you should be checking this out.
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America

The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) was launched in March of 2005 as a trilateral effort to increase security and enhance prosperity among the United States, Canada and Mexico through greater cooperation and information sharing.


Sounds like the "North American Union" to me. I find it interesting that a lot of issues being put in place today may in fact be pointing in this direction...

A new world order... as discussed by Bush SR? I know it's been in the works longer than him, but at least he made it public news. All the infastructure being laid out now, IMO... we are being led to this. Eventually, there will be a one world government... a one world economy... then....

Has anyone else heard of this? It's not really new "news"... it's just been under-publicized.

Is this another stepping stone, hurdle, or puzzle piece to the NWO? What are you opinions?

[edit on 11/20/2006 by Infoholic]


reply posted on 27-11-2006 @ 07:48 PM by Infoholic
Just happened to come across some more interesting stuff. (thanks pokerbrody)
(more news sources from original post.)
source
Rep. Tancredo: Bush Wants To Merge U.S. With Mexico and Canada
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), one of the leading voices on immigration for the right, claims President George W. Bush is plotting to merge the U.S. with Mexico and Canada. An excerpt from WorldNetDaily:

Tancredo lashed out at the White House’s lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.

“I know this is dramatic — or maybe somebody would say overly dramatic — but I’m telling you, that everything I see leads me to believe that this whole idea of the North American Union, it’s not something that just is written about by right-wing fringe kooks. It is something in the head of the president of the United States, the president of Mexico, I think the prime minister of Canada buys into it. …

You might think the right would immediately repudiate this kind of conspiracy theory. You’d be wrong. The National Review’s Andy McCarthy came to Tancredo’s defense:

This is not a fringe. It’s a wave. It’s fine to disagree with Rep. Trancredo; it’s wrong to treat him like a lunatic when he is anything but.

More McCarthy:

[I]t’s not unreasonable for people to look at Bush’s immigration policies and worry that he is insufficiently alert to the internationalist pressures (what John Fonte calls “transnational progressivism”) vigorously challenging the traditional understanding of sovereignty on many fronts.

Fox’s Neil Cavuto recently said Tancredo “owns” the issue of immigration predicted that “if he were to run for president, he just might well be president.”


source - link from post above

'Bush doesn't think America should be an actual place'


Tancredo says president believes nation should be merely 'idea' without borders

PALM BEACH, Fla. – President Bush believes America should be more of an idea than an actual place, a Republican congressman told WND in an exclusive interview.

"People have to understand what we're talking about here. The president of the United States is an internationalist," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "He is going to do what he can to create a place where the idea of America is just that – it's an idea. It's not an actual place defined by borders. I mean this is where this guy is really going."

Tancredo lashed out at the White House's lack of action in securing U.S. borders, and said efforts to merge the U.S. with both Mexico and Canada is not a fantasy.

"I know this is dramatic – or maybe somebody would say overly dramatic – but I'm telling you, that everything I see leads me to believe that this whole idea of the North American Union, it's not something that just is written about by right-wing fringe kooks. It is something in the head of the president of the United States, the president of Mexico, I think the prime minister of Canada buys into it. ...

"And they would just tell you, 'Well, sure, it's a natural thing. It's part of the great globalization ... of the economy.' They assume it's a natural, evolutionary event that's going to occur here. I hope they're wrong and I'm going to try my best to make sure they're wrong. But I'm telling you the tide is great. The tide is moving in their direction. We have to say that."


There's lots of people that have insinuated Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) is a nutjob (which he could be), but could you take into context what he talks about in the above links and compare that to something that's been in the works for a while now? www.spp.gov...

[edit on 11/27/2006 by Infoholic]


reply posted on 21-12-2006 @ 04:57 PM by johnsky
You as americans dont want to lose your sovereignty, and we as Canadians don't want to share your debt, nor Mexico's for that matter. We're doing quite well for ourselves, we don't need that kind of financial burden on us.

So we're agreed. The NAU cannot become a reality.

If the NAU comes to be, you Americans wont be a single soverign nation, you will have Canada and Mexico making your decisions for you aswell as your own government. You will have to re-learn how your government works, as the Union would require a parlimentary government as Canada currently has.
On the upside, you Americans get to share in Canada's prosperity and our extreme abundance of resources.

We as Canadians also lose our soverignty, but, seeing as we've been battling with ourselves on wether or not the french leave or stay, we won't care so much about that as we will about the national debt. Which is something we've been doing pretty well with... especially when compared to how much the United States owes the world... have you seen those numbers?! Thats ludicrous what your war machine has costed you.
We as Canadians believe heavily in peace and staying the f*** out of other countries buisness. We perform peace keeping, supply, and rescue missions only, we have no desire to become the worlds police, nor enter any wars, we got out of the world wars, and that was the end of it for us. Never again.

I'm not sure what implications this has for Mexico, other than opening the borders to create a larger workforce.


reply posted on 8-1-2007 @ 07:00 AM by neformore
Hasn't America always been an idea?

Milk and cookies....moms apple pie...limiltless freedoms, pleading the fifth...Hollywood starlets with pefect smiles and fake boobs...limitless food supplies...everything "bigger"...

People have been in love with the idea of America since its founding, and its only recently that the bubble got burst - oddly by the man who wants to spread the "idea"

As an English person, I had no problems with the US up until GWB got elected. Sure, I was aware of the US foreign policy, and its many hypocrises but still, it wasn't in my face and mainly you could say that the US was fighting for "noble" causes. Oddly, from my perspective Clinton lived the American dream - getting blown in the Whitehouse by a younger woman has to be the ultimate Presidential cliche of all time and yet you lot had him impeached.

The current Bush just comes across as seedy, stupid, arrogant and dumb. His foreign policy is based on blatant lies and he's been surrounded by people that make an outside observers skin crawl. Instead of doing what other US administrations have more or less succeeded in by keeping the lid on most of the background hypocrisy, Bushco has just done it all in the shop window, said "FU", stuck two fingers up at the world and expects to get away with it. Corporate America, war for oil, reduction of freedoms, blatant lies.

Bush is the man who took the sympathy of the world after 9/11 and turned it into distrust and dislike.

And yeah - I know - its always been that way, but the gloss has come off now. The woodworks been exposed and its rotten. It needs cutting out and replacing.

To quote David Bowie "this is not America" - at least not from this Englishmans point of view

[edit on 8/0107/07 by neformore]

[edit on 8/0107/07 by neformore]
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