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Originally posted by Azathoth does it not seems strange that we all experience life as our own little conciousness? How in our own minds we are the center of everything. Not saying each of us is egotistical , but our very aspect on life is centered around "US" I've been thinking of possibilities of how it is we come to be. While animals we really don't have very much instinct except the basic primal ones. After that everything else is extra, more then what as a being we want or need. You could equate our essence like an engine. Which bring up a very good question. Does everything alive have an essence? Though some things are unable to defend themselves from attack (i.e. trees, plants) they do experience a sort of suffering. Thus if a plant experiences sever trama they die. Though currently impossible to prove now, everything alive has something driving it. how is it we evolved from the sludge and continue to evolve now? For what purpose would we need to change or continually change? Something has to be driving it weither subconciously or instinctively. Why else would there have to be change? what else would drive us or any species to change its habit or habitat. By adding art, creating devices to talk long distances. These were never needed before, so why are they now? we are expanding into new territory driven by something. So does this mean we will end up fat blobs of flesh , due to making everything easy? Will the mind develope and the body wither as the mind takes on a more important role. Our bodies are just instruments of our mind.
Next time you see an animal watch it and ask the question. does it see its world centered around itself as well?
Originally posted by Unrealised
To me, the soul does NOT equate to immortality, it equates to that certain part of us all that can feel love, express emotion, and give us a sense of self un-matched by any other creature on this planet.
My mother is dying from Cancer in a hospital. She isn't coming home. She has a couple of days to four weeks to live.
The thought of my mother dying at the age of 47 scares the hell out of me. I am only 26 and i feel ripped off. She has a soul that I feel will live on forever, wether you can prove it with science or not. Science failed my mother, and it wil continue to fail alot of people.
Science can NEVER prove the existence of the spirit or the soul because both of these elements of the human condition are traditionally thought to be above and beyond human understanding.
That is my take on the matter. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas, as it gives me a greater understanding and perspective on my own beliefs.
I thank you for your time and effort on raising this issue. Every person who has posted on this thread has gotten something from it.
Originally posted by JackofBlades
My personal belief is that we do have a soul, however our soul, like our body, is (for lack of a beter word) biodegradable.
I believe that just our bodies break down into its base elements and spreads itself throughout the planet, so too does our soul. I don't believe we are reincarnated in any way. Death is final. However, aspects of what made us 'us', move throughout the world and join with everything on the world.
So when we die, we die. But we become a part of something larger.
I don't believe we go to Heaven or Hell or Limbo or Purgatory. We stay here and enrich the rest of the life, which in turn will die and further enrich the planet.
Originally posted by Matyas
Remember what I say, I have searched many years, and I do have some insight.
If you want the ultimate answer, you will have to pay the ultimate price. And everyone gets their turn to find out. To say that such and such does or does not exist is to put such and such in a box. God both exists and does not exist. The soul is the same story, and Nothing cannot be put in a box.
Oblivion may not be so bad, but we are tought that continuity is more important than anything else.
Yes, I am saying energy and matter can be destroyed, not just swapped from one state to another. Teleportation is a fine example of data being destroyed. Then one needs to accept a Creator as well in a Universe ruled by Oblivion. We are a dream in the mind of the dreamer.
Originally posted by Romas
Now to the topic. Let’s think that there are two parts (or we may call FORCES) in Universe: Disorder (Death, or Hate) and Order (Life, or Love). I that case we may think, that ALL LIVING BEINGS are part, or some manifestation of Order. So, if we call it SOUL of UNIVERSE (or we may call it GOD, no difference), we will have simple answer what it is soul of single living being. Sorry, that I say living being, but not human being. I think, that all living beings (that means all parts of universe where entropy is decreasing) are manifestations of this universal force – Soul of Universe. That means we – as living beings are just like a bowls or bottle for a water and this universal Soul takes its shape according to our form from the very beginning of our existence. Actually, there is no death (we are just part of one soul with some independence - we call it consciousness) and there is no birth too. By the way, it is one more interesting problem to discuss too. The BIRTH. When we should start call living being – human being? I think there is no such point. All living beings are part of one Soul, but with the different shape (degree of independence, or consciousness).
Originally posted by Glooper23
I honestly don't see the point in arguing about something that can't be proven. All it will do is reaffirm peoples' beliefs or # up insecure people's thoughts.
Originally posted by Freebrain
What is it with this need to know why we are here? The only people who say that are those who don't know their place in the world.
If people haven't found a place in the world, then it's time to change perspectives. Maybe what people are doing now isn't working.
Originally posted by Aquire Wisdom
Solomon replied we go to the earth, meaning our physical bodies. Wisdom: We are so consumed by our brief lives not regarding eternity.
He was not speaking of the eternal soul, that will reside somewhere forever, he was speaking of the limited thinking of people regarding our brief existence in this flesh as their main focus. Which is sad.
Also, no one has to prove to you that you have a soul or not. When you die, you'll be in God's Hands-He will deal with you accordingly.
Originally posted by jinsanity
OP. The Soul exists. Try some astral projection and see it for yourself. And even hypnosis to find out your past lives.
The Spirit is the Cup. The Soul is what you put into the cup...
Can you prove there is not a Soul? The burden of proving there is not lies on you.