Guys I know I am not the first and won't be the last..

But I personally want to thank you for the help to personally develope myself and have access to information that many would like us to steer clear of..

You have made it possible for many people to learn... period.
and I don't mean learn about useless crap...
People who have accessed this site have under-gone dramatic changes, increased greatly in self awareness and have had an amazing place to turn for information concerning the political war-"fare"

I'm pretty sure you're aware of what you've done for many people if not the entire world at large.

Perhaps you are aware, or perhaps you aren't aware at what your registered members have actually done...
Revolutionized News and various types of media..
I would say this site is directly responsible for a lot of google.videos and YouTube videos success... as well as influencing many people to stand up for the truth and make a tangible difference in the world by giving people the keys they need in their life to help others.

Guys, it is a shame more people can't have the freedom to do what you've done.. there should be a charity made specifically for people who help other people.. and one that isn't associated or 'RULEd' by law or church. Who gives to those with viable tangible ideas.
With ideas to widen the horizons.
I personally thank you for making a difference in my life...
and I know you'll make this site the best it can with all of your attention.

[edit on 11/16/2006 by PuRe EnErGy]

IMO ATS has already gone mainstream after all Im not interested in conspiracys and yet Im a member of this site. I dont think that I will have any problem with the future direction of ATS.

I think ATS is uniquely different. I stuck around and I can safely say, I learned more from research as a result from being challanged on ATS, then I have learned in school. Reason being is your held to a high standard which society simply isn't use to. BS and kiddy excuses wont get you anywhere and if you can't grow up, take the responsibility to prove yourself, and get you act together, you will just wash out and end up leaving.

This site demands a minimum effort and duty of proving your point through educated means. If you don't meet that standard, most the time the members will tear you to shreads before any mod even gets to you.

Its not just the mods that clean this site out of the people who aren't willing to adjust and learn to prove thesmelves in an educated way, the members who did also clean this site out. They use what they have learned, and run circles around those who wish to try and debate with insults and kiddy tactics.

In short, the owners and the mods at first required the members to meet a certain standard. They did such a great job at it that now you are seeing the benefit of it. The members, or offspring, of the mods enforcement, has now lead to the members themselves enforcing the standard of debating and researching.

Its rather something remarkable to see. In reality, this site was run and guided in the right way, and we are now seeing the benefits. This site does in a sense respresent society. Members take it upon THEMSELVES to enforce what they believe should be the standard, rather then waiting for the mods to come to the rescue. They take personal responsibility to ensure that this site remain the site they love. Interesting isnt it?

I once knew a man who as a teenager started buying coins that most people thought were so plentiful that they would never be worth much more than face value. In fact, at that time, they were being sold below face value for various promotions.

Eventually, this teenager bought so many of those coins that he virtually cornered the market and in time he learned so much about coinage and economics that he started his own numismatic company, a gold standard foundation, and became extremely wealthy.

As he approached middle age, he decided that he had taken the company as far as he could and he sold controlling stock in the company to a major conglomerate and retained a largely token position as president of the board, or some such.

A few months later, I was talking with the man's father and he admitted to me that his son now wished that he had never "sold out."

The new management came in with a vengeance and streamlined the company for profits, laying off many workers who had been with the company from the beginning and who were considered to be "members of the family" by the previous owner and his family.

But, alas, there was nothing that could be done and it was about that time that I moved on and lost contact. No, I wasn't employed by the company.

I hope something like that doesn't happen to ATS.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

I hope something like that doesn't happen to ATS.

Go read my post... We will NEVER "sell out" HOW many times must we say it?!

Here's another time...

The controlling interest of ATS will NEVER leave the Three Amigo's ownership.

Springer...

Originally posted by grimreaper797
I think ATS is uniquely different. I stuck around and I can safely say, I learned more from research as a result from being challanged on ATS, then I have learned in school. Reason being is your held to a high standard which society simply isn't use to. BS and kiddy excuses wont get you anywhere and if you can't grow up, take the responsibility to prove yourself, and get you act together, you will just wash out and end up leaving.

This site demands a minimum effort and duty of proving your point through educated means. If you don't meet that standard, most the time the members will tear you to shreads before any mod even gets to you.

Its not just the mods that clean this site out of the people who aren't willing to adjust and learn to prove thesmelves in an educated way, the members who did also clean this site out. They use what they have learned, and run circles around those who wish to try and debate with insults and kiddy tactics.

In short, the owners and the mods at first required the members to meet a certain standard. They did such a great job at it that now you are seeing the benefit of it. The members, or offspring, of the mods enforcement, has now lead to the members themselves enforcing the standard of debating and researching.

Its rather something remarkable to see. In reality, this site was run and guided in the right way, and we are now seeing the benefits. This site does in a sense respresent society. Members take it upon THEMSELVES to enforce what they believe should be the standard, rather then waiting for the mods to come to the rescue. They take personal responsibility to ensure that this site remain the site they love. Interesting isnt it?

I would really like to comment on one statement you made.. because it is the core amazing thing about ATS..

I learned more from research as a result from being challanged on ATS, then I have learned in school.

Being challenged on this site, has enabled me to broaden my 'explanation' skills.. and has made me understand we all have the same hang ups.. proof, experience and knowledge..
knowledge comes than we want proof so we want to know how to experience it for ourselves..

This site has such a diverse amount of people, its easy to find ways to reach more people, by seriously TRYING to help people educate themselves and you.
We all really want the same thing.. understanding of all things.. and this is a good place to get a head start on that.. because it covers so much ground its very ... very .. overwhelming to some.. but very engaging for others..
some people have made this website their careers... and its sad that not everyone can make money with the exchange of knowledge because a lot of people really put a lot of focus into their research and findings, its almost sad that they have to struggle to help others with their research.. just because they aren't 'educated' scientists their research doesn't warrant any grants or funding to help further the research, instead most of us who pour our hearts into it, get laughed at...
its truly funny because as this site has taught.. all the past major thinkers were always ALWAYS laughed at and disbelieved..
Love you all guys/gals.. we've truly made the world go round.. We have seriously effected the future and continue to change our amazing 'world-lines' .. lol Sorry for ranting .... AGAIN!

Originally posted by PuRe EneRgy:
its sad that not everyone can make money with the exchange of knowledge because a lot of people really put a lot of focus into their research and findings, its almost sad that they have to struggle to help others with their research.. just because they aren't 'educated' scientists their research doesn't warrant any grants or funding to help further the research,

This is something we are looking at in the "expansion", getting the funds to do JUST THIS!

We have a VERY HIGH PRIORITY on "things that ATS can do to HELP humanity/make the world a BETTER place". The precedent is the name of one of the four lists we have created as criteria for the expansion. We already have close associations with some of the TOP research minds on the planet who have been IMPRESSED with the talent here.

Springer...

[edit on 11-16-2006 by Springer]

Originally posted by Springer
Go read my post... We will NEVER "sell out" HOW many times must we say it?!

I read it. I just had this nagging feeling of deja vu.

Originally posted by Springer
THis is something we are looking at in the "expansion", getting the funds to do JUST THIS!

Springer...

yes! so at least one of my ideas was already in progress, or partly at least. thats great to hear.

Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by PurE eneRgNy:
its sad that not everyone can make money with the exchange of knowledge because a lot of people really put a lot of focus into their research and findings, its almost sad that they have to struggle to help others with their research.. just because they aren't 'educated' scientists their research doesn't warrant any grants or funding to help further the research,

THis is something we are looking at in the "expansion", getting the funds to do JUST THIS!

Springer...

Love you guys...
I seen a site advertised somewhere that does just that.. pays its members to post GOOD material.. news and etc..

If I'm sucessful in my current venture I will provide some help, in the very near future here I am going to be moving specifically to do work / free seminars / lectures.. meetings/discussions... all with some help by my friends in university.
I'm glad you guys are thinking outside the box though, I welcome any change, because as it stands this site could never in my mind charge members or riddle them with horrid things anyway.. it wouldn't be in-keeping with the whole deny ignorance thing.. and charging people causes ignorance because it creates boundaries.. one thing this site is well known for is its unity yet diversity.. it is almost scary how it is a finely tuned machine.. lol

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by Springer
Go read my post... We will NEVER "sell out" HOW many times must we say it?!

I read it. I just had this nagging feeling of deja vu.

I don't know what to say to that, other than "eat some chicken soup". It clears up most nagging feelings.

Springer...

[edit on 11-16-2006 by Springer]

wow, i can just see it now. watching one of my favorite tv programs when suddenly
Deny Ignorance, AboveTopSecret.com appears on my screen. Awesome!

I can tell you that this site has really opened my eyes to some things, a lot of things actually. I don't post much, but i'm here browsing just about everyday.

[edit on 11/16/2006 by Sandro]

Originally posted by Sandro
wow, i can just see it now. watching one of my favorite tv programs when suddenly
Deny Ignorance, AboveTopSecret.com appears on my screen. Awsome!

Wow! That was fast.

Though ive only been here a short time ATS has already gone through some changes, all good imo.
I check in every day, though i dont always post, if you guy's can make a quid after everything you've put in over the past ten years, well good on ya i reckon.
And i do look forward to the day when my favorite website is also my favorite t.v program. Don't think the missus will be too happy though.

I still want to know when we are going public and if I can get some stock...

HEY!! I wasn't kidding....

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis
I still want to know when we are going public and if I can get some stock...

HEY!! I wasn't kidding....

Semper

I'm curious about that to.

I don't trust stocvk, because I see it as being an epitome
of capitalism, which is dislike, but I'd actually look into
buying stocks in ATS.

I 100% support you in your efforts to make ATS grow! as long as I and other members are not expected to pay for contributing it will be all good in my book.

But if you guys ever hit it big, considder sharing your copious wealth with us maybe give us a fraction of a cent for every post and more for bigger/better contributions?

Go for it! I'll be more than happy to help advertise in one way or the other!

Capitalism is the main reason we all don't speak German.

If we had not had all those plants and corporations to convert to wartime use, you would be giving the HAIL sign each morning..

Semper

Originally posted by semperfortis

Capitalism is the main reason we all don't speak German.

If we had not had all those plants and corporations to convert to wartime use, you would be giving the HAIL sign each morning..

Semper

I realize that, I'm not saying it's never done any god, I just would like
to see a world with democratic socialism where people work to beter
themselves and humanity, not to get money and buy gaudy jewelery
and flashy cars.

Crass Struggle

Originally posted by iori_komei
I realize that, I'm not saying it's never done any god, I just would like
to see a world with democratic socialism where people work to beter
themselves and humanity, not to get money and buy gaudy jewelery
and flashy cars.

Alas, an idyllic agrarian collectivist utopia is even more impossible to attain on the Internet than in the "real world".

To achieve it requires violently forcing people to be what they are not, which is why it will always remain impossible.