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UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID W/Video

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posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic

Originally posted by nextguyinline
Because of this...


Originally posted by Strangerous
Could someone please clarify the rules for tazer use in the US and whether 'police' have to operate to the same level of law as the real police.

Are these guys trained to the same level of real police or just given a 2 week course and a uniform?

One of the things that shocks me the most about this is that they're not real cops and yet carry such weapons.


So the fact that some campus cops in Nevada are the real deal make all of this okay?

Since some campus cops hundred or so miles are the real deal and that makes it okay that sets a precident. I guess because marijuana is tolerated in Vancouver, Canada it's cool for me to walk around the streets blazing a joint. Hell... there's still slavery in certain parts of Asia, and that's only a couple thousand miles away... I guess I should get some servants.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by CuriousSkeptic]


Not sure what his point was really, but I understand why you asked now.




posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo


He was asked for ID on a random check.

He failed to provide ID.


It's not nazi germany, it's america.



How many times can you ask someone to get up?


He wait about 20 seconds after he get tasered before tasered him again. Do you know how much time being tasered affects you? Big guys, 45 to 1 minute, some people, 10 minutes.


He clearly is the one who broke the law and was being removed from the area. I hope he learned about having your ID ready for random checks.

Yeah broke the law... not having his ID or not showing... BIG CRIME! Nazi germany.



The security personnel should be commended for doing their job.
They should be fired and the guy should sue them for abuse of power.
Actually most people can stand up the second the taser gun goes off all it is is an electrical pulse that makes all your muscles tighten and this guy clearly deserved it you can tell he could have easily standed up but he just kept arguing and wouldn't listen to them he was practically yelling his rights at them even tho he had none because it was ucla property and they were ucla law enforcement and he was breaking ucla code of not bringing an id with you i mean what kind of innocent guy who does nothing refuse to show them your id and then when you tell him to leave he yells stuff at you then you tase him so he says he will go but then starts yelling a him again sorry but anyone who thinks this guy is innocent and the cops are bad is either some paranoid freak who thinks the ucla campus police are turing it into a nazi prison camp or people who just strait out dont like police. And by the way what do you think would happen he would be let off for doing this how easy would it have been for him to have been a crazy person who was going to shoot some kids or release something into the air.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo


but my other side of the brain says that if the university made it clear that students could be expected to produce ID on demand while on campus then they would have a legitimate case here.


But you do agree that this was WAY to far? If not, they should say:

Have you're ID on you at all time and show it to everyone who ask for it or you're gonna be tasered by the nearest police officer.

Welcome to police state. Have a good day.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by Vitchilo]


Yeah I think it escalated no doubt about it. I'm sure you know that cops usually have an attitude... I'm sure that is what brings them to the profession. They wanna lord over others and have aggression and look for an opportunity to use it.

But we would agree that policies openly advertised tend to stand up in court right? Sadly the College campus is going to become highly restrictive in future it appears.

Up here in Canada a lot of the schools hire students part time as security and have a small professional staff too. They call the cops in to arrest people only or to have them taken off property etc. Seems to work okay so far but I don't know how it would work with hardened thugs though.

Most criminals don't find campus to be a place to hang out though.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:21 PM
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Grim -




nah I would rather they dragged him out, instead of tasering him 5 times and yelling at him to stand up while they do it. To me, I think thats going about it in a very abusive way.


Oh yeah, there actions where overboard but that doesn't mean they where racist, that they where doing it out of spite, that they where doing it just to do it, or like some people seem to think that Bush himself sent a memo to police stations around the country urging them to assault college students with tasers.


Most likely the police where not trained right with their new toys and they may not have been tested on (hit them selves) so they don't know it takes a LONG time to beable to stand up.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:24 PM
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Bush himself sent a memo to police stations around the country urging them to assault college students with tasers.




Like I said, they should be suspended and further trained.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:24 PM
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Most likely the police where not trained right with their new toys and they may not have been tested on (hit them selves) so they don't know it takes a LONG time to beable to stand up.


You're right, since the new versions, the cops don't use them on themselves because it's too dangerous. Yeah, too dangerous for cops but not for civilians...



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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everybody get it through your heads. It has nothing to do with whether he was right or wrong, it has to do with EXCESSIVE FORCE. He was wrong to not just leave at the start, we all agree. We seem to disagree around the point they taser him 5 damn times and scream at him to get up while doing it. They could have easily dragged him out while he was cuffed. Ive seen a single officers take down a person without a taser who were ready to fight. You telling me 3 cops couldn't remove one passive kid with a loud mouth and had to use a taser 5 times while he was hand cuffed? if thats the case they should be fired for inability to do their job above anything else.

If 3 cops are incapable of removing 1 student with a loud mouth, not on drugs, and not even physically violent, then they are in the wrong profession.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:25 PM
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Here is the UCLA police website.
They are hiring Police officers..For those of you who think they could do a better job.

there is also a PDF file about this Library incident
www.ucpd.ucla.edu...

I encourage you to read the pdf, it's only one page long.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by spacedoubt]



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck

Before 9/11 not complying with a police officer meant you go to jail.



Please, enough. I mean enough already.

Don't use 9/11 to excuse bad behavior and incompetence. It's not an all purpose get out of jail free card. It weakens the original event, and makes people more cynical about cops who do a hard job.

This isn't a race issue, this is a training issue.

Although the responses in this thread do surprise me. From some who use the video to justify their predjudice against the police, and Americans. To others who simply enjoy watching torture, and get off when people hurt each other.

A truly disturbing cross section of both ends of the spectrum.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
Oh yeah, there actions where overboard but that doesn't mean they where racist, that they where doing it out of spite, that they where doing it just to do it, or like some people seem to think that Bush himself sent a memo to police stations around the country urging them to assault college students with tasers.


thats simply detracting from the main point. Which is they used excessive force when there was CLEARLY no need for it. Forget all the other BS opinions you read, that is pretty much the fact of the matter. He was wrong not to leave, but they messed up even worse by doing what they did.



Most likely the police where not trained right with their new toys and they may not have been tested on (hit them selves) so they don't know it takes a LONG time to beable to stand up.


then why the HELL were they even given the freaking things? "Well you guys don't know how powerful they are, and you probably dont really know how to use em...but screw it, you guys have fun *waves*"

if they aren't properly trained and dont know what they do, what in the HELL are they doing with them?!



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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They are hiring Police officers..For those of you who think they could do a better job.


Very noble, if we didn't know better.

If there is one institution that requires public scrutiny, it is our police institutions. Men and women legally allowed to carry weapons NEED oversight.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Here is the UCLA police website.
They are hiring Police officers..For those of you who think they could do a better job.

there is also a PDF file about this Library incident
www.ucpd.ucla.edu...

I encourage you to read the pdf, it's only one page long.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by spacedoubt]


Hmm... their statement contradicts a lot of things I saw with my eyes and heard with my ears but since they issued a press release clearly it's okay.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:33 PM
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I didn't say it was ok.

You were there when it happened?
if not, when did the video actually begin? as soon as the CSO showed?
or was it after the Police had been called?

You ARE interested in seeing both sides though..I'm assuming.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by spacedoubt
Here is the UCLA police website.
They are hiring Police officers..For those of you who think they could do a better job.

there is also a PDF file about this Library incident
www.ucpd.ucla.edu...

I encourage you to read the pdf, it's only one page long.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by spacedoubt]


prettymuch proved my point



As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building.

A Taser is used to incapacitate subjects who are resistant by discharging an electronic current into the subject


so you just used a device to incapacitate to an individual who was resisting by becoming purposely incapacitated by not moving at all.

OBVIOUSLY that was NOT the purpose of a taser. Three POLICE OFFICERS couldn't move him as he lay limp? If thats the case, fire them for lack of ability to do their job. If 3 of them can't physically move one student, they aren't qualified.

what do you have to do to get the job in this place? let me guess...like to use a taser?

[edit on 16-11-2006 by grimreaper797]



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:35 PM
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That pdf summed up pretty much what I saw. It made good points about the urgency of getting him out of there because of the crowding students.

Also, it said that all force incidents are reviewed and this particular case is being presented to the city attorney.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by nextguyinline
That pdf summed up pretty much what I saw. It made good points about the urgency of getting him out of there because of the crowding students.

Also, it said that all force incidents are reviewed and this particular case is being presented to the city attorney.


And why were the students crowding?

After one tazing couldn't they not pick him up and carry him out?

[edit on 16-11-2006 by CuriousSkeptic]



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:39 PM
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A uniform does not give the wearer permission to brutalise another human being.

Some cops are just downright dirty, corrupt and on a power trip hiding behind a uniform. Police brutality - it's in your face every day.



In Peace Always
resi



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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If its urgent to move him...pick him up. He did go limp for christ sake. If they couldn't do that, they are obviously not qualified to do the job. They should be able to have the power to physically restrain the normal person without putting thousands of volts through their body. Or is working out to be a police officer just way too much to ask? You took the job, yet you cant do it? Thats about when you get fired in most jobs, instead they just give you a device to zap the crap out of people.

Your lazy and decide to become physically unable to do your job, so instead of being fired, they give you a zap gun to zap people.



another question. if hes already limp on the ground, how is zapping him to make him incapacitated (limp), going to help the situation? O right the PAIN was suppose to motivate him to move. Funny it doesnt give that description for the use of a taser in the PDF document. It made it pretty clear its uses. Cause pain to motivate them to move was NOT one of them.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:41 PM
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grim

You skipped the part where he encouraged other students to join in.
True? CYA? I don't know..

But it IS another side to the story..
Somewhere in between is the truth..



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
And why were the students crowding?

After one tazing couldn't they not pick him up and carry him out?

[edit on 16-11-2006 by CuriousSkeptic]


if he was already limp, the result of being tased, why could they just carry him out without tasing him at all?



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