UCLA Police Taser Student For Not Showing ID W/Video

if this dude would have blown himself up in the library everyone would be whining and crying that proper protocols (suching as checking for ID) was not followed. of course there is no guarantee that would prevent such a attack but it would be a focal point of the outrage. like it or not if some arab looking person enters anywhere that ID is is required they are going to be asked to show it. whine all you want about profiling but that is the way things are. you can't stop people from changing their suspicions since arabs are in the spotlight. this idiot was only doing this for demonstration reasons and he knew the library would be full of left-leaning kids sympathetic to his cause. they should have cracked him over the head once with a baton and knocked him out. save the taser batteries.

All these damn lefties in this country.

They must be real smart, always in libraries and stuff. We'll have to be careful.

Originally posted by Yetichi
if this dude would have blown himself up... *snip

Speculation. He didn't, so STFU! He could have been removed from the library without taser use bottom line. Treasonist. You should be shot on sight. Zero tolerance for you #ing nazis.

Would the cops make sure such thing would not happend again..?!
I read that it kills people once in a while...

What is a human life worth?

There is atleast two things in this EVENT that took place.

Cops are being trained in using the Teazer - Just as they are taught other things.
Cops are being taught things....To do things.

It is called rules in common language.

Rules comes for a "reason" - Wich means - Cops did this "Because"

Because of either the cops training scedule.
Or Because the things the student didn't do right according to those rules - Didn't show ID-card - wich means - CARRY Your ID card all the time or you get the electric toys'n Rush teazer..

Either you carry it - Or you get teazered..

THAT MUST BE YOUR NEW LAW.
I can't see any other reason...

There is a new sherif in town folks.
Your sherif has new rules for your students.

Getting tasered is NOT like being shot with a bullet holy crap!

It's got a real hefty sting to it that's for sure (yes I know from personal experience LOL). The worst of it is the initial SHOCK value...scares the living crap out of you.

You can feel your muscles go into spasm and if you are standing you will fall down. That is the MOST dangerous part of tasering. Injury due to fall. (Unless you have a heart condition and then your risk is a bit higher).

One "little" zap and I was on the floor. I was sober 100%, I weighed about 130 LBS, I stand 5'10" and was (still am) of good health. There was no convulsing or writhing on the floor as some people claim. Not after contact is broken or current stopped. The muscles immediately relax. Sure I guess if someone were to have held the taser on me for a second or two after I fell I might be inclined to writhe around in an effort to get away from the shock...but no it does not create convulsions in the true sense of the word. Basically your muscles spaz out...you might jerk a bit and twitch...but no convulsions. The shock is not delivered in a constant stream. it is a series of very quick pulses (you can hear it on the video).

After only a second (okay maybe a few seconds LOL) I recovered from the effect and was able to stand with no problem. I had a bit of twitchy feelings in my legs and arms but nothing lasting. I had a small red mark where the taser touched me (through my shirt) on my left front shoulder (just above the heart).

It can be lethal in SOME extraordinary instances...heart problems, extreme poor health...no tasering to the head would not kill...

Equating it to a gun shot is silly.

I've had more serious jolts from standard electricity sources than from the taser.


[edit on 11/17/2006 by justgeneric]

This video disgusts me. The only thing more disgusting is the people defending the cops out of some twisted principle that "cops cant do wrong" or "they take so much crap, they need to blow out from time to time".

Sure, cops has to take a lot of crap, but they are also better trained to deal with it. Taking it as a man is part of the job.

I agree both the student and the cops were to blame for the situation, and both parties should be punished accordingly.

The student should be punished for not leaving the library after 11pm (which is when you need to have an ID to remain there). He should probably get a written warning or a couple days suspension.

The cops should be punished for unnecessarily escalating the situation, abusing their position of power and for using a potentially lethal weapon on someone after having received verbal notification of the person "suffering from a condition". They should probably lose their jobs and face a small jail sentence.

Just my 2c.

peace

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Ersad, I bet your jackboots have a real nice shine on them, you and all your other friends here who share the same views to support Officers of the law to abuse their powers and using force not required in this situation. I bet your getting the flags and drums ready with your mates. How soon will it be before people with this kind of mentality are actively supporting the Dictatorship that America is turning into.

At least some of the people in the video had the gonnads to say something, mind you you would have them tasered as well would'nt you, talk about Nazis in waiting. I will say it again for the extremely brainwashed, YOU LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CHALLENGE AUTHORITY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT UNDER THE LAW TO DUE PROCESS, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY AND HUMAINLY. ANY WHO THINK THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS WRONG THEN YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A DICTATORSHIP DO YOU.

news.yahoo.com...

LOS ANGELES - A student who was shocked by a campus police officer's Taser gun after he refused to show ID at a UCLA library thought he was being singled out by the officer because of his Middle Eastern appearance, his lawyer said.

Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of the U.S.-born student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

Tabatabainejad, 23, was shocked Tuesday night after arguing with a campus police officer who was conducting a routine check of student IDs at the University of California, Los Angeles Powell Library computer lab.

Yagman said his client declined to show his school ID because he thought he was being targeted for his appearance. His family is of Iranian descent.

Think of it this way, if a police officer ask for you ID, would you refuse? So when the campus officer ask for ID, his job is to make sure you belong in that school.

Originally posted by Yetichi
if this dude would have blown himself up in the library everyone would be whining and crying that proper protocols (suching as checking for ID) was not followed.

You might want to do a minimal bit of fact checking before you go out and claim that every arab looking guy is a terrorist threat.

The library only demands ID after 11pm, and this mostly to prevent homeless people sleeping there.

...after 11:00 p.m., when campus security officers were making their rounds through the library, checking students for identification as part of their normal security procedures.

Source

So he could have had been there for about 14 hours before being asked for ID. Why would he become more of a security threat late at night? Because his skin goes even darker at night?



[edit on 17/11/06 by gekko]

This is by far the most disturbing thread yet on ATS. The abuse of power on video is bad enough but the head long fascist defense of this abuse is shocking. I won't even bother with the specifics of the assault. Those here who defend and justify the actions these LAPD wannabees can place a call into FEMA to come pick you up early so you can get a 'good bunk' at the camp.Hiveminders and sheeple are rampant here now. They have no appreciation for their erroding constitutional rights so they can easily , it appears, live without them. The results of the probable legal action will be interesting. This student will probably be labeled an enemy combatant and will get an extended stay at the JW Marriott at Gitmo.

Wow That was disgusting, Stormtooper 101

Seriously, why is anyone here actually siding with those guards? No ID and get zapped.... has anyone here never forgotten their IDs at home? Do you guys really think that 3 guards (not cops) can't overpower a single individual? Those guys went above and beyond the threshold of reasonable force and should be fired, not to mention a visit to the joint.


We have cops at our university and they do pack some heavy duty gear, but I have never seen or heard anyone being manhandled or even being forcibly escorted out. Those guys are superbly trained and use their mouths instead of their trigger fingers. You are guardians not for the reason that you know how to use weapons, but for the reason that you know when not to use them.


Plus do you really think that students would be trying to help a crack addict? Those students did plea to the officers to let the guy go. Do you really think that they would do that for a person making a racket in a library?

Hypothesis:
You are sitting in a lab and you forgot your ID, a rent-a-cop shows up and asks for it in front of your peers, he doesn't go to anybody else but you and incidentally you are dark skinned. You are flustered and because he isn't a real police officer, you wonder aloud what authority he has . Then he touches you on the shoulder, which incidently is assault and a violation of protocol for non-police guards. What would you do? You try to leave the place, angry at being singled out because of your colour, angry at having your person violated, angry at being humiliated in front of your peers.... seriously what would you do? Are a few expletitives too much or has your society become so much regulated that it is punished by a tasering?


Btw, for people saying that it was stage managed because the student said "This is your #ing patriot act", I have one word, "education". The guy was studying in the UCLA and by definition an university student is well aware of his rights, his duties and his environment. All university students know how our environment is shaping up to be and what variables are involved. hell, if the same thing happened to me I would tell them that they are using excessive force and tell that my rights have been violated. Futhermore, from a guards perspective, how would you justify singling out a non-white guy from the crowd for a random check? tell the judge that he looked suspicious... and wait for the reply.



All in all, these guys violated their position of power and are liable for assault. Hope the guy is in good health after his terrible ordeal.

I also hope that the you guys don't take this excessive use to power lying down.

Cheers
A concerned neighbour from beyond the northern border...






[edit on 17-11-2006 by Elven Sniper]

I have only read the first couple of pages of this thread, but it's clear that the argument shakes down into two camps: people who believe in freedom, and people who believe in authoritarianism.

The latter group think it's perfectly ok for rentacops to use tasers, and think that everyone should have to bow and scrape before some knucklehead with a badge and a supposedly nonlethal weapon.

I find it utterly sickening (but then, not surprising) that people will support the thuggish rentacops through this. The guy did nothing that deserved being tased, and he was tased several times. I hope those guys lose their jobs - the thug at the end threatening the witness with being tased should be removed from any position of authority whatsoever.

And, yes, one of the defining features of Nazi-occupied Europe was having to present your papers wherever you went. It's characteristic of police states. And America has joined the ranks. You're welcome to it.

Originally posted by gekko

Originally posted by Yetichi
if this dude would have blown himself up in the library everyone would be whining and crying that proper protocols (suching as checking for ID) was not followed.

You might want to do a minimal bit of fact checking before you go out and claim that every arab looking guy is a terrorist threat.

The library only demands ID after 11pm, and this mostly to prevent homeless people sleeping there.

...after 11:00 p.m., when campus security officers were making their rounds through the library, checking students for identification as part of their normal security procedures.

Source

So he could have had been there for about 14 hours before being asked for ID. Why would he become more of a security threat late at night? Because his skin goes even darker at night?

[edit on 17/11/06 by gekko]

he was a threat the second he starts screaming and babbling his stupid agenda. he got the EXACT response he had premeditated and now he is basking in glory.

I cannot believe that people are making excuses for these monsters!!
How can you defend cops who violate your rights????
You people make me sick! You should all be tasered every 20 seconds
and asked to get up as your bodies are stiff an painful.
Because you won't be able to move! You want to defend torture!?
Suffer through it, then make a judgment you sick bastards!


You deserve what is coming to you, you deserve to be chipped,
you deserve to be injected with mercury filled vaccines,
You deserve eating poison everyday,
You deserve a police state, because that is the only way you'll learn.
Now go back to watching CNN and MTV, go play your first person shooters
and kill unreal people as you wish that you could do it in real life,
Go drive your cars and splash people with puddles of water as
you regret not being able to drive them over. Go back to your inhumane immorality,
because we don't need you here on ATS. No matter how you look at it,
hurting another human being is a violation of his basic human rights,
if you want to preach your bloodmongering, and defending monsters,
do it somewhere else!!! This isn't a debate, this is a matter of right and wrong,
someone who defends evil is evil. There is no excusing evil.

By the way, showing ID is everyone's choice, I wouldn't show it either because it is MY RIGHT TO DO SO. If I was there I would start throwing anything I could find at those cops. They swore to uphold the law, they swore an oath to the constitution, and they're braking their word, shame on them, and shame on you for defending them.

[edit on 17-11-2006 by Radekus]

Originally posted by Yetichi
he was a threat the second he starts screaming and babbling his stupid agenda. he got the EXACT response he had premeditated and now he is basking in glory.

Ah. So he wasn't screaming until he got tasered. Therefore they tasered him before he was a threat.

Clearly, the 23 percent are out in force on this thread.

Originally posted by Yetichihe was a threat the second he starts screaming and babbling his stupid agenda. he got the EXACT response he had premeditated and now he is basking in glory.

Right on dude, his words were a threat. And for shouting his dissent he needed to be taken down. Hard!

So hard as to discourage him from voicing his opinion in the face of authority ever again?

Yetichi, I think I know which side you are on.

[edit on 17/11/06 by gekko]

Just heard it on the local news in LA. HE's suing.

Personally I hope his lawyer is a bulldog that deminishes these fascist scum into broke pennyless, remorseful people for the rest of their lives.

They should be court ordered to do community service after their stint in jail hopefully in a vicious general population pen.

Then they should be put on some list where they have to report at all job interviews and when moving to a new residence their crimes to the people.

They should be tried for torture, crimes against humanity( violating feduciary responabilities to the people they were sworn to protect), and brought up on general assult and battery charges.

They should loose their jobs, be banned from any position of authority and basically be reduced to working the McDonalds fat fryer while staring at a greasy wall for the rest of their sorry lives, because that what they deserve. Cop or not, just who the hell do they think they were, nobody has the right to do that in any morally concious community.

Besides the kid initially broke no law. I'd like to see the defense attorney make the UCLA campus laws stick in an actual court. Trust me they won't, not with evidence this damning.

The police lost any witness leverage they could have had if they decide to supoena anybody, since they threatened the witnesses too.

The only thing they have the kid on is a misdominer for not cooperating and standing up quick enough, which will most likely be dropped once the judge sees the video.

Excessive force is clearly evident

It's clearly evident that the cops acted impreprietusly (sp) and clearly escallated the situation needlessly and were unprofessional in all aspects of their dominer and actions.

I predict that the UCPD will try and settle out of court with the kid and his family(they were needlesly traumitized too) because they know they haven't a chance in hell of winning the case if a decent prosecuter is on the case.

Personally I hope the kid turns down the emmenant settlement offer and takes them to court and gets them to pay over real money, along with UCLA suffering the stigma that goes along with violating other peoples rights.

If the UCPD doesn't get viciously hammered financially for this then they will never learn their lesson, will keep violating other citizens, and will just sweep the whole thing under the rug. Oh yeah and them deamonize the kid and make him seem like the bad guy.

PS UCLA nice attempt at damage control. Dumb asses like we don't have camerals and recording devices! The damning evidence is all over the net and the whole world is watching in disgust.

I see the fascist thugs are still out in force, Hitler would be proud of you, no Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. are proud of you, helping to build the police state and doing it for free here on ATS. Well at least we'll know where the source of the next generation of Gestapo and SS are. You will all receive a thank you letter for furthering and supporting the fledgling dictatorship. But let me thank you, thank you from the heart of my bottom for doing so much against freedom and liberty, what proud Patriots you are, and please make sure you wear your gloves because we dont want you hurting your knuckles as you drag them along the floor.

Originally posted by Vitchilo

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
A) dude should of stood up.....thus avoiding a tasering.

B) you get all smart arse with cops with tasers...then theb end results your problem.

C) No I.D? then wtf is he doing there any how? all that high value kit and student belongings...could he be a sneak thief/ who knows.


He got tasered, and booted out the door. Sorry, but you give grief, you gotta expect some back.

What kind of reaction is that?

Yeah stood up, when you were tasered, it's quite impossible to stand up until at least 1 minute, it's depends on the person and how you were hit. Some people are unable to move for 10 minutes!

Why we should be more gentle with cops armed with tasers? They are not god, they don't deserve more that they are worth.

No id? Yeah, we're in america, not Nazi germany, they don't have any probable cause, so f*/k them.

Sorry, but if I see any cop doing this in front of me, I jump on the police officer, he's not gonna violate the constitution and abuse his powers in front of me.

[edit on 16-11-2006 by Vitchilo]

Yea I would have beat the snot out of those rent-a-cops. Like seriuously if my buddy was having that done to them right infront of me for no apperant reason I would have rallied and overtaken the rentos. It would be a felony though so one has to weigh that in their mind.
Granted, in the police state that is America you have to show ID, they still should not have done that. I was thinking that UCLA is a private school. Whether or not, that was excessive force and the guards should be punished. They could have simply arrested him. The guy looks like he would have complied. I think that cops (in this case rentos) need to imform the people more on why they are being arrested.

With regard to camera phones. Wouldn't it be a pretty safe bet that in a large university setting that at least 10% of the students would have camera phones. This smacks of being more fascist theatre than any real effort at security. They wanted everyone to see this because 'when my fist clinches, crack it open'. If you think this takes gall, imagine the gall to stand in a guard tower with 10,000 of your own countrymen in your sights.?