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English Speaking Al Jazeera News Is Now Freely Available in the U.K

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posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 09:16 PM
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Al Jazeera English is now available on Sky Digital at channel 514. This (currently free to view) English speaking news channel offers to report news from a Middle Eastern perspective; and in my book is the ultimate antidote to Fox.

Were you tired of always having your news reported solely through Western eyes?
I was ages ago; and so had sometimes watched Al Jazeera Arabic just to try to understand what they were saying through the pictures.
I have to say their footage of the Middle East is far superior to anything shown on CNN. And they seem to run a lot of documentaries (so you can learn something when the news isn’t that interesting).

Worldwide Availability: english.aljazeera.net...
News Confirmation…
english.aljazeera.net...
Main Homepage… (Be careful of the strange cookies the seems site being bombarded with) english.aljazeera.net...

Just to say I'm really pleased; I think this is a good day for English democracy and reckon Tony Blair must been turning in his political grave at the prospect of secular Arabic reporting from the receiving ends of our foreign policies.

The Question…
I suppose only a few people have Sky Digital; but will the effects be of the virtual monopoly on Western reporting being broken if this news channels availability spreads?




posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
in my book is the ultimate antidote to Fox.


- Well if you call matching one news service which regularly contains unchallenged and highly partial material against another (which often contains unchallenged and highly partial material.....but just from the other end of the spectrum) an "antidote", fair enough.

I prefer my news to be as impartial as possible myself; I realise that's a tough standard for any of them to live up to (and sometimes for the most honest reasons) so numerous sources are therefore the next best alternative.

So, IMO Al Jezeera are to be welcomed but I regard them as often little better than an Arabic version of Fox.

But generally I wouldn't call matching the worst of Fox with something that is, at times, very close to the worst of the old tightly controlled Soviet propaganda-sheet Pravda, 'informative', I'm surprised you claim to and with so little scepticism.

Mind you, this isn't exactly an untypical response.

During the Soviet years there were those who would just about fall over themselves to believe anything the Soviets said (at total face value) and who utterly rejected everything their own (western?
) news services had to say.
Particularly amonst the young.


so had sometimes watched Al Jazeera Arabic just to try to understand what they were saying through the pictures.


- What the hell would you do that for.....and when.....and what exactly did you watch this Arabic service on, hmmmm?

Al Jazeera's English on-line service has been available on-line for over 3years now, since march 2003 in fact.


(So let's hear it then.
Are you inventing stories here lib.....and is it other people's ignorance you're hoping to exploit here or are you just revealing your own?
)


Just to say I'm really pleased; I think this is a good day for English democracy and reckon Tony Blair must been turning in his political grave at the prospect of secular Arabic reporting from the receiving ends of our foreign policies.


- Well there we have it, the rather silly little propaganda shot.


(and if you check the historical record it was Tony Blair that helped restrain Bush from wiping out Al Jezeera during the Iraqi war, actually)

Lib, as I said, you obviously can't have done that much research about it.

"English democracy" has been open to hundreds of foreign, non-western, news channels since the advent of satellite, cable and Internet.

BTW if it's a contrary view you wanted how come you haven't been into French or Euro reporting?
If not you might be interested in France 24 launching to the UK soon on D/SAT.

Euro news is on channel509 in case you've missed it moving......and it's been a FTV (free to view) channel (not actually 'on Sky') on satellite for at least 3yrs.


I suppose only a few people have Sky Digital


- On these boards here perhaps but they just announced (3rd Nov 2006) a total number of UK subscribers of 8.25millions ( here ).


will the effects be of the virtual monopoly on Western reporting being broken if this news channels availability spreads?


- I really don't mean this as a dig lib but, do you actually watch or listen to the UK news channels?
Al Jezeera's comment and angle on events is regularly quoted or featured in our news from Sky News to the still enormously respected (internationally) BBC.

In addition to this on satellite and cable TV umteen different news channels have been available from the Indian sub-continent to Europe to the USA to China and Japan
(but you do need to know how to use the Digibox/Sky+ box so as to access some of these 'other channels' properly to tune for some of them......

.....and in case anyone is interested you can also get all the regional BBC & ITV TV stations throughout the UK if you know what you are doing.
).

If you're going to try and claim these are all just little mini-'Fox News' services you'll have to do better than just make that claim and invent a story about an imagined global news denial.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 11:43 AM
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What the hell would you do that for.....and when.....and what exactly did you watch this Arabic service on, hmmmm?

Al Jazeera's English on-line service has been available on-line for over 3years now, since march 2003 in fact.

(So let's hear it then.
Are you inventing stories here lib.....and is it other people's ignorance you're hoping to exploit here or are you just revealing your own?)


It used to be on Sky Digital Channel 799 and I used to watch because if there had been say an Israeli air strike on the Palestinians Al Jazeera would actually show you the destructions; whilst half the time CNN would just have some commentators talking with the image of say some Palestinian Street lights with ambulances pulled up by. Also Al Jazeera seemed to spend a lot more time reporting these kind of events. I also found it interesting just to see what Arabs would were watching.

That said today I wasn’t that impressed as they seem to report Iraq things from a very pro-Iraqi government Shiite perspective (they were talking about protecting the oil workers). I disliked the Iraqi government slant as hate that mix mash of Muslim Fundamentalists and Secular Differences. That said it was still somewhat interesting.


I prefer my news to be as impartial as possible myself; I realise that's a tough standard for any of them to live up to (and sometimes for the most honest reasons) so numerous sources are therefore the next best alternative.


Yeah everybody would like as impartial news source as possible; but if it’s impossible to write an unbiased version of history; then I guess the present is at least twice as difficult. So I agree with you that as many numerous sources as possible is the right direction. Which is why I called it an antidote to Fox, and a good day for British Democracy


English democracy" has been open to hundreds of foreign, non-western, news channels since the advent of satellite, cable and Internet.


Well up and till now I knew of no 24/7 English Speaking Middle Eastern News sources; so that’s also why I called it a good day for democracy.


I really don't mean this as a dig lib but, do you actually watch or listen to the UK news channels?

Yes I do which is why I was watching Arabic Al Jazeera to see a better view of the Middle East and destruction caused at the recieving end of foreign policy in action.

I'm fully aware mainstream has occasionally switched over to Al Jazeera footage, but they don’t always. Also I don’t think any of the channels you mentioned are from a Middle Eastern perspective; only when they’re doing reports would they (sometimes) come close. Ofcourse I don’t expect it to be any different from them; but I am curious now it is different from a source of information available that’s in English and coming from somebody else.
I think Al Jazeera has the potential to commercialise Left wing foreign policy ideas in the same way Fox did it with the Right wing ones. And from what I’ve seen today there news seems more informative than presenter the chat shows done by Fox at the same time. As for Al-Jazeera’s English website it used to be rubbish (very slow to update).


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posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Hopefully some of the american cable companies will pick it up. As it is, only a company owned by a french parent company is showing it. The more news views, the better, in general. Al-jazzera isn't up to snuff compared to western news agencies, but then again, the government won't be able to imprison al-jazeera reporters when they say something they don't like.

Al-jazzera will almost certainly be far more biased than even FOX, but not as badly biased as something like the old pravda, or iranian state tv or something like that.

As much as people might dislike it, it is a relatively independant news source in the middle east, which is impressive.



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 10:45 AM
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So much for libs claims re the Al Jazeera English service in the UK -

Tony Blair must been turning in his political grave



Tony Blair has publicly agreed with the opinion that the violence in Iraq since the 2003 invasion has been a disaster.

The UK prime minister was responding to a question by Sir David Frost in an interview on the new al-Jazeera English-language Arabic TV channel.

news.bbc.co.uk...

- Tony Blair is interviewed and appears on an Al Jazeera program (again)...... which can only be described as a major boost for the fledgling English service in the UK.

(hmmmmm, hasn't anyone heard of the term 'managed opposition'?
)



[edit on 18-11-2006 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
Were you tired of always having your news reported solely through Western eyes?


No. I'm tired of propaganda. Al-Jazeera is worse than the western 'news' outlets. There is nothing to celebrate in having yet another propaganda source blasting at us. If there was actually a REAL NEWS source ... then it would be something to celebrate.


Originally posted by Nygdan
Al-jazzera will almost certainly be far more biased than even FOX ...

You betchya.



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. I'm tired of propaganda. Al-Jazeera is worse than the western 'news' outlets.


Why is it worse in your opinion as in my experience on this matter it seems it rather easier for ME leaders to explain away BBC/CCN commentary than it is the sometimes very truthful stuff that comes from Al-Jazeera..


There is nothing to celebrate in having yet another propaganda source blasting at us. If there was actually a REAL NEWS source ... then it would be something to celebrate.


While i agree that i am not sure where this is going i am unsure as to how you have come to the conclusion that Al Jazeera could possible be that much worse?



You betchya.


And that must be close to impossible so i am wondering where you get your information from.


Stellar



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 07:11 PM
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Get ready England ! You think 7/7 was bad, you havent seen anything yet!

Al-Jazeera isnt welcome in America both by the people and by the corporations. I dont see how they will bring it and even if they do who is going to watch it ??

Atleast that way it would be easier to weed out terrorists. The Govt could then suspect people of being terrorists for subscribing to Al-Jazeera! Profiling !! Patriot Act!


[edit on 18-11-2006 by IAF101]



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
Get ready England ! You think 7/11 was bad, you havent seen anything yet!


7/11? What happened on the 7th November?

Ahhh, the Bolshevik Revolution! I knew I heard it somewhere...

So, what relevance does the Bolsheviks of 7th November 1917 have to do with the UK?


Originally posted by IAF101
Al-Jazeera isnt welcome in America both by the people and by the corporations. I dont see how they will bring it and even if they do who is going to watch it ??


Maybe those of ME descent. There are, afterall, nearly a million "Arab-Americans".

It's no more of a dodgy news source than FOX.


Originally posted by IAF101
Atleast that way it would be easier to weed out terrorists. The Govt could then suspect people of being terrorists for subscribing to Al-Jazeera! Profiling !! Patriot Act!


So, those that watch Al-Jazeera are terrorists? Ok......

What about those that appear on it? Surely your not accusing PM Blair of colluding with Terrorists? Or Sir David Frost?

[edit on 18/11/06 by stumason]



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
7/11? What happened on the 7th November?

November ? So you are incapable of reading the date now??? I am not suprised!


Anyway, I meant 7/7 (got it confused with the Mumbai blasts of 7/11 !) you attempt to caricaturise this was seriously terrible.


Maybe those of ME descent. There are, afterall, nearly a million "Arab-Americans".

Why? So they can constantly be reminded of all the things they wanted to escape ?
Maybe they would want their kids to be brainwashed like the British Muslims and try to pull off something here in the US ?



So, those that watch Al-Jazeera are terrorists? Ok......

What about those that appear on it? Surely your not accusing PM Blair of colluding with Terrorists? Or Sir David Frost?

David Forest? Who the hell is he and why should I know him ??


If you comments are any indication then it would seem that the English are losing the ability to even comprehend English!!



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
November ? So you are incapable of reading the date now??? I am not suprised!



Ahh, your talking in the arse backwards, American format. Sorry, I refuse to use that format. To me, Sept the 11th would be 11/9, for example.


Originally posted by IAF101
Anyway, I meant 7/7 (got it confused with the Mumbai blasts of 7/11 !) you attempt to caricaturise this was seriously terrible.


Sorry, I forgot Americans have no sense of humour. It just rather amusing to me that the date you chose happened to be the date of the Bolshevik Uprising.


Originally posted by IAF101
Why? So they can constantly be reminded of all the things they wanted to escape ?
Maybe they would want their kids to be brainwashed like the British Muslims and try to pull off something here in the US ?


You assume that all Arab Americans "fled" somewhere. Rather a generalising statement, don't you think? Alot of immigrants go to other countries for economic reasons, rather than political. Simple fact is, more money can be made in the West. I bet a good sum of money that many will still regulary go back to the home country to see family and have a holiday.


Originally posted by IAF101


What about those that appear on it? Surely your not accusing PM Blair of colluding with Terrorists? Or Sir David Frost?

David Forest? Who the hell is he and why should I know him ??



Er... David FROST. If you had been paying attention, he's the guy that interviewed Blair for Al Jaz. He's also a very well known interviewer for the BBC.


Originally posted by IAF101
If you comments are any indication then it would seem that the English are losing the ability to even comprehend English!!


Er... Yeah... Ok...

Remember, your the one who didn't want to be drawn into an intellectual discussion, so don't criticise me for what is perfectly understandable english.



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
Sorry, I refuse to use that format. To me, Sept the 11th would be 11/9, for example.

That quaint practise that you follow is of little consequence just like Britain!


It just rather amusing to me that the date you chose happened to be the date of the Bolshevik Uprising.

Only a commie would care to remember such trivia!



Simple fact is, more money can be made in the West......

Boring!!
The fled poverty, oppression or some other reason they choose to "flee" those cess pools of misery, backwardness and barbarism. What ever the reason, they are here and they are Americans. They generally bear no affliation to anybody in the east.

I looked it up and apparently only 25% of the 1.2 million people in America that claim to have Arab ancestry are Moslem! That makes them 300,000 and most of them constitute the lower middle class.


Er... David FROST. If you had been paying attention, he's the guy that interviewed Blair for Al Jaz. He's also a very well known interviewer for the BBC.

Who cares enought to watch Al-Jazeera or Blair or this Frost ?




Remember, your the one who didn't want to be drawn into an intellectual discussion, so don't criticise me for what is perfectly understandable english.

You're ranting incoherently ?? Did you understand what my statement meant ? Obviosuly not it would seem!


That bit about the US Govt tracking people who subscribe to Al-Jazeera was supposed to be sarcastic!



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
That quaint practise that you follow is of little consequence just like Britain!


If it is of such little consequence, why make such a big deal about it? I'm not even going to address you side swipe at the UK, as it is founded in no logic whatsoever.


Originally posted by IAF101
Only a commie would care to remember such trivia!


Or anyone with a basic understanding of modern history. Don't worry, I am aware you are intellectually challenged, so lets just chalk this one down to an educational exercise.


Originally posted by IAF101
Boring!!


Indeed you are.


Originally posted by IAF101
The fled poverty, oppression or some other reason they choose to "flee" those cess pools of misery, backwardness and barbarism. What ever the reason, they are here and they are Americans. They generally bear no affliation to anybody in the east.


Keep telling yourself that. Fact is, many have family back home and send the money they earn back to their home countries. I get the impression you probably don't know anyone of Asian decent, seeing as you generally regard them as sub-human anyway. I, on the other hand, know an awful lot of Asian's or people of Asian descent. Not one I know of fled persecution, but rather came here to better themselves and earn better money. Economic migrants, rather than asylum seekers.


Originally posted by IAF101
I looked it up and apparently only 25% of the 1.2 million people in America that claim to have Arab ancestry are Moslem! That makes them 300,000 and most of them constitute the lower middle class.


What the hell has that got to do with the price of fish? You don't have to be muslim to watch Al Jazeera anymore than you have to be a muslim to come from the ME. It is, after all, the cradle of civilisation and the birthplace of all the monotheastic religions.


Originally posted by IAF101
Who cares enought to watch Al-Jazeera or Blair or this Frost ?



Thats what the thread is about, Al Jazeera. Jeebus, pay attention... I know you don't like intellectual discussion, but you are taking the biscuit.


Originally posted by IAF101
You're ranting incoherently ?? Did you understand what my statement meant ? Obviosuly not it would seem!



I very rarely understand anything you post, but then again, I think alot of people round here have that feeling. I would hardly describe my posting style as "ranting incoherently". Perhaps you could address points with some sort of structured argument rather than vitriolic BS.


Originally posted by IAF101
That bit about the US Govt tracking people who subscribe to Al-Jazeera was supposed to be sarcastic!


Hmm.. Going on your previous posting history, I think you can forgive me for thinking you were actually serious.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 08:09 AM
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Sminkey - where do you expect to find an "unbiased" source of news?

If you think it's the BBC, or ITN, think again. It's just harder for us to see the partiality because we were brought up with it.

That's why looking at several different news sources is useful. Sometimes, one source will include facts omitted by another, which allows one to come to conclusions about those sources. It's not a question of one source "balancing out" the other, it's a question of using one's intellect to notice inconsistencies and partiality as they arise.

And I see that IAF101 has seen fit to pollute this thread. How nice. He is the one and only poster on this entire board I have on ignore, because he is, as you have discovered, ignorant and rude in equal and full measure. Is he still using that childish avatar of an ugly face with "deny hate" underneath? I can only imagine he is thirteen years of age and not doing too well with the fair sex.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by rich23
Sminkey - where do you expect to find an "unbiased" source of news?


- Well of course the truth is I don't.

Not even our BBC or ITN.

That's why I said right from the start that I agee that multiple news sources are such a great idea.

But that doesn't exclude the fact that some are far far more reliable than others (and in large part and across a wide range of subjects, but agreeing not all, I'd include the BBC and ITN in that) .

......and please guys stay on topic.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 03:48 PM
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I was on topic till I was distracted by a detractor~!

Back... what do you think this is going to do to the already festering problem of home grown islamic fundamentalizm amongst the moslem community in Britain? I think this will only act like napalm to the fire!

If I remember well the MI-5 womancheif said that they are unable to completely contend with the more than 300 groups in Britain that they deem suspicious. I wonder what they would think of a public 24/7 propaganda broadcast ?



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 06:20 AM
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I have to say their footage of the Middle East is far superior to anything shown on CNN.


and in my book is the ultimate antidote to Fox.

WOW!!!!!

SO does this mean they are going to show "real live pictures of the Palestinian Terrorist when they send Missiles into Israel and not cover it up like the other news services???

FANTASTIC!!!!!

I bet they might even show some kidnapping's that the Terrorists perform!!!!!
Or actual footage of a Terrorist Bomber blowing up some school bus!!!!!


Yeah this is great news...



Semper



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by IAF101
what do you think this is going to do to the already festering problem of home grown islamic fundamentalizm amongst the moslem community in Britain? I think this will only act like napalm to the fire!


- Firstly you seem to be another here to imagine that this is the first ME and/or Asian news outlet in the UK, it isn't.

BTW your comment seems to presume that British Muslims needed an English Al Jazeera service to find out and feel angry about what is happening out in the ME right now;
clearly this sort of thinking is very wrong.


If I remember well the MI-5 womancheif said that they are unable to completely contend with the more than 300 groups in Britain that they deem suspicious.


- You also seem to forget that 'we' have just had a pretty much uninterrupted spell of 30+yrs of serious Irish terrorism to contend with (and in fact it was on/off for most of the 100yrs of the 20th century).
Thankfully it now seems over.

But even in the face of repeated and very bloody murderous no-warning bomb attacks and shooting incidents the British public did not cave in to the terrorist.

Those kinds of scare stories really aren't going to do much around here
(and let's not forget that compared to this claimed indigenous Muslim 'threat' there were far more Irish people in the UK to feel suspicious and afraid of back then).


I wonder what they would think of a public 24/7 propaganda broadcast ?


- If they break the law then they'll be closed down.

But do feel free to let us all know just what sort of Al Qaeda 'propaganda' broadcast has the British PM on (repeatedly) for extended interviews (and subsequently shows them across the rest of it's network)?

I rate them as biased in a particular manner but pretending they are nothing more than a mere mouthpiece for ME terrorism is also untrue.

Just as Fox sometimes tells the truth, or reasonably close to it, from time to time.



[edit on 20-11-2006 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- Firstly you seem to be another here to imagine that this is the first ME and/or Asian news outlet in the UK, it isn't.

This is the news out let that has repeatedly shown the propaganda tapes of Bin laden and his thugs over and over again, not to mention the disregard for common decency and respect for a grieving family by showing decapitation videos over and over again in all their gory detail. All of this just to boost their ratings, incite hatred and intellectually bully and coerce the arab populace into condoning or in the least sympathizing with the agenda of Bin Laden and other murderous groups.
I wonder how many channels like that do you have in Britain and if you do have many then you have proved that are truly a sick and perverse society!


seems to presume that British Muslims needed an English Al Jazeera service to find out and feel angry about what is happening out in the ME right now;
clearly this sort of thinking is very wrong.

Your naivety is clearly frowned upon here!
I made no such comment and such an assumption is merely the instrument of your vanity. I am quite sure that there are enough recalcitrant elements in British Society to serve radical Moslems as role models but that is not what I infer here.

Is it prudent to have this outlet of hate, propaganda and raging anti-Semitism in a country where most of the Moslem population consists of immigrants from places like Pakistan and the Arab nations who are mostly unemployed and live in squalor or off social security ? A outlet that has a known track record of promoting Bin Laden and radical Islamic propaganda through out the middle east. An outlet that reflects a society devoid of any sense of propriety or compassion for the dead or their grieving families! An outlet that chooses to use the deaths of 3000 odd people (9/11) as a tool to promote anti-western sentiment in the ME.
I think it is bad enough that these unemployed vagrant Moslem youth are indoctrinated at their local mosques without having this indoctrination brought right into their living rooms day in and day out!


You also seem to forget that 'we' have just had a pretty much uninterrupted spell of 30+yrs of serious Irish terrorism to contend with

I just cant understand how naive the British populace is in this regard. How is it that they never cease to remind the rest of us of their "valiant" struggle against the Irish and how all this is just "old hat" ! That is pure hogwash!

The IRA never stopped to the levels of beheading British citizens and posting their videos on the internet did they ? There was never an incident when the IRA crashed 5 airplanes full of people right into Piccadilly circus did they ? or into the Mod ?? Can you recall a time when the IRA had some of their lads strap themselves up with C4 and charge into a bus full or people or into the tube to blow themselves up in a bloody inferno of blood and guts ?? Can you ? Let me save you the trouble of running that past Google, the answer is NO!


But even in the face of repeated and very bloody murderous no-warning bomb attacks and shooting incidents the British public did not cave in to the terrorist.

Hurrah!!



let's not forget that compared to this claimed indigenous Muslim 'threat' there were far more Irish people in the UK to feel suspicious and afraid of back then.

It is much too easy to bask in a false sense of safety than actually confront the gravity of the situation it would seem. Well that is a choice for the British people to make and if they consider their existence so inconsequential as to delude themselves into believing that this yet an encore of where the IRA left off, so be it.




let us all know just what sort of Al Qaeda 'propaganda' broadcast has the British PM on (repeatedly) for extended interviews….

So that is their saving grace is it ? Holding a mock interview to gain enough credibility into beguiling the Western masses into letting this monster into their homes ??

What next? Perhaps a round of Galloway would put them squarely on the spot of credibility!



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by IAF101
This is the news out let that has repeatedly shown the propaganda tapes of Bin laden and his thugs over and over again


- What you mean like the western sites do/did too?


not to mention the disregard for common decency and respect for a grieving family by showing decapitation videos over and over again in all their gory detail.


- I've never seen this so I'll have to take your word for that being the complete truth (tho frankly I doubt it).

I am aware that almost all of those videos are available on the net from umteen western sites too.


I wonder how many channels like that do you have in Britain and if you do have many then you have proved that are truly a sick and perverse society!


- Well ignoring your rather sad trolling I'd just say that our democracy is strong enough to accept criticism and a different POV.

We're simply not as obviously terrified of hearing contrary debate as you so clearly seem to be.


Your naivety is clearly frowned upon here!


- Keep up the personal insults and you'll be shown the door pal.


I made no such comment and such an assumption is merely the instrument of your vanity.


- Oh look, more personal insulting. Pathetic.

.....and if you look at your original post it was clearly implied, actually.


in a country where most of the Moslem population consists of immigrants from places like Pakistan and the Arab nations who are mostly unemployed and live in squalor or off social security ?


- Oh really?

Perhaps you'd care to back that kind of sweeping claim up?

I shall not be holding my breath.


I think it is bad enough that these unemployed vagrant Moslem youth are indoctrinated at their local mosques without having this indoctrination brought right into their living rooms day in and day out!


- ....and there's another ridiculous sweeping and ignorant claim you really ought to withdraw.

Cos you know you can't possibly substantiate it.


I just cant understand how naive the British populace is in this regard. How is it that they never cease to remind the rest of us of their "valiant" struggle against the Irish and how all this is just "old hat" ! That is pure hogwash!


- It's not "hogwash"; it's about retaining a sense of proportion and taking a realistic view.

Better that than act like squealing children afraid of our own shadows as some would have us be.......and then exploiting that situation to foist a shed-load of racist cr@p into our society.


The IRA never stopped to the levels of beheading British citizens and posting their videos on the internet did they ? There was never an incident when the IRA crashed 5 airplanes full of people right into Piccadilly circus did they ? or into the Mod ?? Can you recall a time when the IRA had some of their lads strap themselves up with C4 and charge into a bus full or people or into the tube to blow themselves up in a bloody inferno of blood and guts ?? Can you ? Let me save you the trouble of running that past Google, the answer is NO!


- Yeah maybe but they did use 'human bombs'. They did bomb shops.
Oh yes they did.

They did use no-warning bombs in city centres (which resulted in the dismemberment and decapitation of civilians).

Quite plainly you don't know what you're talking about.


Hurrah!!


- Sorry if that doesn't count for much with you but it does here.


It is much too easy to bask in a false sense of safety than actually confront the gravity of the situation it would seem. Well that is a choice for the British people to make and if they consider their existence so inconsequential as to delude themselves into believing that this yet an encore of where the IRA left off, so be it.


- Once again you prefer to ignore the facts.

The IRA were the world's most sophisticated terrorist organisation.
They attacked several British cities and killed and wounded many civilians over a very long period.

Pretending that a handful of angry idiot young Muslim men is a greater danger and that therefore 'we' should turn on our British Muslim neighbours is a nightmare you can keep to yourself. Thanks.


So that is their saving grace is it ? Holding a mock interview to gain enough credibility into beguiling the Western masses into letting this monster into their homes ??


- What "mock interview"?

It was a serious interview with one of the world's most famous interviewers (although clearly you are too young to know much about him).

Al Jazeera feature news and views from a ME perspective; you claim that they are simply an Al Qaeda propaganda station is laughable
(to anyone with a modicum of balance).



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