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WASHINGTON (AFP) - A Chinese submarine approached a US aircraft carrier in the Pacific Ocean last month and surfaced within firing range of its torpedoes and missiles before being detected, The Washington Times has reported.
The newspaper said the encounter highlighted China's continuing efforts to prepare for a possible future conflict with the United States despite the administration's efforts to try to boost relations with the Chinese military.
The submarine encounter with the USS Kitty Hawk and its battle group also is an embarrassment to the commander of US forces in the Pacific, Admiral William Fallon, who is engaged in an ambitious military exchange program with China, the report said.
Citing unnamed defense officials, the paper said the Chinese Song-class diesel-powered attack submarine shadowed the Kitty Hawk undetected and surfaced within five miles of the carrier on October 26.
The incident is a setback for the aggressive U.S.-China military exchange program being promoted by Adm. Fallon, who has made several visits to China in recent months in an attempt to develop closer ties.
However, critics of the program in the Pentagon say China has not reciprocated and continues to deny U.S. military visitors access to key facilities, including a Beijing command center. In contrast, Chinese military visitors have been invited to military exercises and sensitive U.S. facilities.
Additionally, military intelligence officials said Adm. Fallon has restricted U.S. intelligence-gathering activities against China, fearing that disclosure of the activities would upset relations with Beijing.
The restrictions are hindering efforts to know more about China's military buildup, the officials said.
"This is a harbinger of a stronger Chinese reaction to America's military presence in East Asia," said Richard Fisher, a Chinese military specialist with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, who called the submarine incident alarming.
"Given the long range of new Chinese sub-launched anti-ship missiles and those purchased from Russia, this incident is very serious," he said. "It will likely happen again, only because Chinese submarine captains of 40 to 50 new modern submarines entering their navy will want to test their mettle against the 7th Fleet."
Originally posted by kozmo
But sadly, the bleeding heart liberal contingency and the soft-on-security Democrats are likely to ensure that the spending is pointless and lacks any real teeth. In fact, the Democrats will probably ensure that any new technology that we develop as a result of the spending will be given directly to the Chinese!!
Originally posted by thelibra
Way to turn this into a Democrat-bashing thread.
And kudos on how you perfectly mimic your party line's canned phrases. I am so very proud of your accomplishments. It must have taken you all of 30 seconds to go look up what Rush Limbaugh's phrase of the day was. Seriously, why do people like you even exist, except to make the USA even more divided?
You want to know why we'll eventually lose to the Chinese? It won't be because they outnumber us, it won't be because of a superior military, and it won't be because one country spent more than the other. It's because people saying crap like what you just regurgitated are going to eventually going to send this country into a civil war because you just can't STAND the idea of someone with different ideas than yourself living in th same country as you.
So the next time you want to find someone to blame as to an uncertain future, how about you either look in the mirror, or maybe start realizing that MULTIPLE political parties are how we balance out between the right and the left. After all, what good is security without liberty, or liberty without security. The political front is (hopefully) starting to grow up after too many years of blind-partisan bickering. It'd be nice if the civilian front could do the same.
Now, as for your statement about how we're "foolishly trying to be friends" with China, what would you suggest as an alternative? Just lob some nukes over there? Maybe declare war on almost a fifth of the world's population? Perhaps we'll do an operation Shock and Awe against them? After all, we did so fantastically in Iraq, that we can only be certain to win China in mere days. Hell, I don't know why we didn't conquer it sooner!
Oh, or maybe we'll just blockade their country? You know, all 9.59 MILLION square miles of some of the harshest, nastiest terrain the Earth has to offer, plus the entire eastern seaboard of Asia...we'll just block that right off.
No sane or rational person can possibly blame the situation on Democrats. They haven't been in power for over 6 years, and before then they only had an 8 year stint in the period dating back to President Gerald Ford. So maybe, just maybe, if you want to try and find someone to blame failed Chinese policies on, how about you examine the party that's actually been in power FIRST, and worry about what your little boogeyman might do SECOND.
Originally posted by kozmo
WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! I'm sorry, did I hurt your widdle feewings?
Originally posted by kozmo
After all, Clinton and the Democrats had NOTHING to do with N. Korea getting nukes, right? And he had nothing to do with the Chinese getting a hold of our nuclear warhead designs or our satellite communications or guidance systems technology - or even advanced stage rocket technology, right? And he certainly did his best to shut down that silly little Pakastani nuclear secrets trader, didn't he?
Originally posted by kozmo
Sorry again thelibra, As I said, I will surely attempt to parrot the party line for you in the future.
Originally posted by kozmo
Now, as far as suggesting an alterantive? Um, how about a NEUTRAL POLICY, with BALANCED TRADE and NO MILITARY SECRETS BEING SOLD OR GIVEN AWAY in some glib attempt at political showmanship.
Originally posted by kozmo
It's interesting how you doves see everything one dimensionally - either kiss their asses or enter into all out war!
Originally posted by Schaden
Sneaking one sub up on an aircraft carrier in peace time conditions isn't hard.
The Russians were doing this 30 years ago.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
were they really ? by readings of cold war naval operations must be different to yours
Originally posted by uplander
firepilot, that's what I was thinking too.
The real story is not going to be put in the news. The thing that frightens me is WHY was this NEWS? I am sure that this is common for the US and other nations. International waters, military exercises, the like. Anyway, what was really being said with putting it on the drudereport and other news outlets? Is this really so significant? A chinese sub getting within five miles of a US navy ship - is it really a big deal?