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Can anyone who follows Islamic ideologies explain this to me?

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posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 09:32 AM
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ok i've read the whole thread, took me an hour but oh well, i was raised in jordan, i lived there the first 12 years of my life, and 3 years ago i've moved to the US. as most people here on this thread might already know jordan is not soem dictatorship or religiosly fanatic state, but i happen to know about Saudi arabia and the others. what i know is that the punishment for stealing for instance in SA is cutting the hand, now you'd think they're religious fanatics, etc. but NO, it's all politics, if anybody knows, sometime in the 60's or 70's there was some kind of revolt by religious fantics in Saudi Arabia, so to appease the revolters(sp?) after the revolt was crushed, the government thought "hey how can anybody be more religious than the SA government?" so they adopted the sharia completely. however throwingg stones is like the most capital of capital punishments, i don't think they do it every other day, week, month, years, 5 years, etc... it's for special cases, but hand cutting etc. is i think more prevalent. however these punishments were set by the government to appease fanatics, and maintain control basically, not because the whole country wants it or because all of them are fanatics, so it's all politics. however as many have noted not all arab countries follow the sharia, for instance jordan sort of follows the sharia, but it doesn't perform any of it's punishment(ston throwing, hand cutting, etc.), and much of it is used in how the judicial part is, jordan has a religious court, some other court, and of course i think the criminal court or so, hey i'm only 15 so i don't know anything. but anyway just wanna make a point that most of these punishments and polcies, etc. are all politics.

i don't know much about Iran, i understand that it's government is pretty fanatic, but still i don't know about circumcision of female genitalia, never heard that even is done. but beliefs of punishments or policies like the ones expressed in this threads are only shared by a small group of the population who are the fanatics, and even then not all of them do it, which is no more than 1%-5% max.... so it's not at all prevalent.

i am very thanksful and grateful that a thread like this was started and answered by such thoughtful and informative people that were not uneducated, biased, adn actually knew something about what they were talking about, instead of like many on ATS that are simply ignorant, and only badger islam and ME culture, etc. when they don't know that like i said before fanatics are discouraged and are not "liked" in ME and do not represent majority in a population. anyhow i am not muslim, i'm Greek orthodox Christian, i have never even talked to a Muslim cleric, and never researched islam, but i have lived in the ME and you'd know a bunch form friends, family, etc. about these things.




posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by laiguana
Esoteric I believe that is just one example of 'Islamic justice' in the middle-east. This is the kind of thing happens on a daily basis and somehow people like to turn it around and blame it on Israel. But aside from that, you can find such atrocities reported by their own sources. And many of these sources have also been under attack by the militant jihadists.

just a few examples of 'Islamic justice':

www.aina.org...
news.ninemsn.com.au...
www.theaustralian.news.com.au...

What unites all these atrocities is the Islamic Extremist ideology. This sets it apart from crimes that committed by individuals in other parts of the world. Islamic extremism is faced across the globe and the acts of terrorism are fueled by the Jihadist movement.


i don't necessarily know if this is true islamic thought or if it was ever mentioned in teh koran, or if it is preached in anyway. however i know it can be tought by extremists to children in countries such as the one sin southeast asia. you see poverty brings ignorance, ignorance brings violent thought, hate, and the want to find something to hold on to now matter how irrational, and all this leads to a terrorist, to a fanatic, to an extremist, and as long as poverty is prevalent in the large portion of the world, we will have extremism, fanaticism, and fundamentalism, etc... so if you want to tackle extrremism and terrorism, i guess you must look at the problems that cause them, and mainly they are education, poverty, instability, and violence. instability and violence can be either trully militarily such as israeli aggressions and atrocities which are inflicted on palestinians, which in turn fuel extremist thought, or domestically.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 07:00 PM
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Origianally posted by INc 2006
however throwingg stones is like the most capital of capital punishments, i don't think they do it every other day, week, month, years, 5 years, etc... it's for special cases, but hand cutting etc. is i think more prevalent.

I even heard in Pakistan the practice is done as surgery by medical staff. How can that consists with the Hippocratic oath?

Like doctors in the US assist by performing leathal injections.



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by khunmoon

Origianally posted by INc 2006
however throwingg stones is like the most capital of capital punishments, i don't think they do it every other day, week, month, years, 5 years, etc... it's for special cases, but hand cutting etc. is i think more prevalent.

I even heard in Pakistan the practice is done as surgery by medical staff. How can that consists with the Hippocratic oath?

Like doctors in the US assist by performing leathal injections.


but at least they have the common courtesy to use sterilized needles, and they use an alcohol swab to clean the skin. Why? to prevent bacterial infections, of course.

True, doctors assisting in capital punishment executions are lacking a little in the department of logic.

Thanks for sharing your experience of the subject matter INc 2006. Your contribution was very informative.




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