Your post makes some unwarranted assumptions, Cthulwho
Originally posted by Cthulwho
The only problem is that the developing world has astronomical birth rates...
The fact is that some developing countries have very high
rates of population increase while others do not
. And most of the countries with high rates of increase are small or have relatively low
Just for your information, the rate of population increase in China (1990-2005) was 0.9 percent.
For the same period, the figure for the USA was 1.0 percent. The population of the United States is increasing more quickly than that of China.
As for Mexico, that bête noir
of American nativists, it turns out to have a fairly modest 1.16 percent rate of increase.
In fact, it isn't increases in population size or density that drive economic emigration, but lack of economic opportunities and poor quality of life
at home. This is evident from commonly available statistics on demography and migration
...countries like China and India already have too many people.
Who decides that a country has 'too many' people? And -- by the way -- too many for whom?
Really China and India's population should be about 200 million each...
Who decided that this was the ideal population for these two countries? What was the basis on which the decision was made?
...so that's about 2.5 billion people on the Earth that really shouldn't be here.
Yes? Are you denying these people their right to exist? In which case, how do you justify your own existence? Are you somehow better than these
The increasing global population is being driven by third world countries, which know that they can dump their excess population on the
Did some third world statesman confide this to you, or are you just guessing? Do you know of any developing-country government that deliberately
follows policies that will drive its citizens abroad?
Have you any idea how hard it is for people from poor countries to get into rich ones? Do you know what desperate shifts many economic refugees are
driven to? They beggar themselves and their relatives to obtain the necessary clearances or travel documents, forged or genuine, and to finance their
passages. Some sell everything they own, or indenture themselves for years to come to gangs of people-smugglers who are also slavedealers and
extortionists. They cross stormy seas in leaky boats or crammed thirty or forty at a time into freight containers aboard ships and transcontinental
trucks, starving and forced to wallow in their own excrement like African slaves bound for Savannah on the Middle Passage. They brave heat, cold,
disease, violence and exposure, crossing deserts, mountain ranges and battle zones. Thousands die along the way.
If and when they finally reach the country of their destination, they receive a grim welcome. Those who aren't turned back immediately face
imprisonment, interrogation and possible deportation on the one hand, or life as a poverty-stricken fugitive on the other. Even the ones who are
legally accepted must struggle against prejudice, exploitation and hatred.
And you think these people are sent overseas by their governments, as a matter of policy
? Believe me: they're not. So ask yourself, my friend:
why do they keep coming? How awful must their lives be, back wherever they came from, if they are willing to put up with such discomfort, pain and
danger, to accept such risks, bear so many insults and such exploitation?
Your post is written from a certain viewpoint: someone enjoying the benefits of western civilization and unwilling to share them with others --
perhaps, in your mind, with people who haven't 'contributed their share' to that civilization. You're entitled to your point of view, but remember
this; the greater part of modern western civilization was built on the exploitation of other societies and the extraction of wealth from other parts
of the world. Now the people your forebears looted are coming to your door and demanding restitution. They want what they consider their share of the
wealth of nations. You may judge the demand fair or otherwise, but you cannot escape it.
The West has two options. It can help spread economic growth, responsible government and access to opportunity more widely about the world so that
more people have a decent chance at life in the country of their birth. Or it can sit selfishly on its hoard till the rest of the world turns up, in a
body, and takes the loot back.
And as you so acutely point out in your post, there are a great many more of them than there are of you.
[edit on 26-2-2007 by Astyanax]