Unseen War

I can now understand why people dont see the war.

I wonder if people see anything.

Hopefully people in other countries know a little more about the world before the go to war with them.

www.youtube.com...

I believe this is why we have war.

Originally posted by jaamaan
I can now understand why people dont see the war.

I wonder if people see anything.

Hopefully people in other countries know a little more about the world before the go to war with them.

www.youtube.com...

I believe this is why we have war.

Thank you for the video it was funny and made a point.

Originally posted by JamesMcMahn

Originally posted by jaamaan
I can now understand why people dont see the war.

I wonder if people see anything.

Hopefully people in other countries know a little more about the world before the go to war with them.

www.youtube.com...

I believe this is why we have war.

Thank you for the video it was funny and made a point.

Keep using those those credit cards to buy all those cheap chinese goods. The economy is doing great.

[edit on 14-1-2007 by In nothing we trust]

stop crying. you are right this is a bad case but for other reasons u get what is coming all of the parties involved. 1 this guy should not have been trading pics like that for porn. if u take pics in the field dont be a dumb ass and show them to the world and if u think the dead in those photos were in the wrong place at the wrong time u r mistaken there is a reason they are shot any soldier over there is so scared that they are going tocatch charges that they are somewhat gun shy.

Originally posted by jaamaan

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I believe this is why we have war.

That lin isn't working for me, have you got another that leads to the same thing, what was it?

It's not the American peoples fault, although everyone hates America. it's that fact that we live in a republic that is corrupt and always commits crimes against humanity in the name of economic power.

Originally posted by golddragnet

Originally posted by jaamaan

www.youtube.com...

I believe this is why we have war.

That lin isn't working for me, have you got another that leads to the same thing, what was it?

Chasers War On Everything - Americans

I think this site is brilliant, not because it gives me any pleasure looking at dead people but because it brings home what this is actually all about. Two sides of blithering fools fighting over # all resulting in innocent people getting killed. The majority of people be it Muslim/Christian, Left/Right, Black/White or whatever just want to get on with their lives and avoid conflict. I think H G Wells sums alot of this up perfectly in the following:

"One of the more unpleasant aspects of a state of war under modern conditions is the appearance of a swarm of individuals, too clever by half, in positions of authority. Excited, conceited, prepared to lie, distort and generally humbug people into states of acquiescence, resistance, indignation, vindictiveness, doubt and mental confusion, states of mind supposed to be conductive to a final military victory. These people love to twist and censor facts. It gives them a feeling of power; if they cannot create they can at least prevent and conceal. Particularly they poke themselves in between us and the people with whom we are at war to distort any possible reconciliation. They sit, filled with the wine of their transitory powers, aloof from the fatigues and dangers of conflict, pulling imaginary strings in people’s minds."

There is only a limited amount of time that these vultures in the Kremlin, Whitehouse and Zhongnanhai can hide behind their "peace initiatives" and "spread of good" arming everyone up for so called "self defense" so they can play empires and feel big. They will all happily have peace - once they have battered everyone to submit to their and only their demands. The simple way to solve this problem is to not take part in their games. It seems to be a highly strategic porn bust, I think we all know whats going on here. The guy isn't an idiot, he's exercising his freedom. Freedom my ass.

[edit on 17-1-2007 by superpaul55]

It is amazing to see that those weapons harm both sides.

An American looks just as bad without head as an Iraqi.

Originally posted by jaamaan

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Chasers War On Everything - Americans

jeez, unbelievably dumb AND uneducated. Is schooling in USA really so bad!!!

Originally posted by superpaul55
"One of the more unpleasant aspects of a state of war under modern conditions is the appearance of a swarm of individuals, too clever by half, in positions of authority. Excited, conceited, prepared to lie, distort and generally humbug people into states of acquiescence, resistance, indignation, vindictiveness, doubt and mental confusion, states of mind supposed to be conductive to a final military victory. These people love to twist and censor facts. It gives them a feeling of power; if they cannot create they can at least prevent and conceal. Particularly they poke themselves in between us and the people with whom we are at war to distort any possible reconciliation. They sit, filled with the wine of their transitory powers, aloof from the fatigues and dangers of conflict, pulling imaginary strings in people’s minds."
[edit on 17-1-2007 by superpaul55]

HG Wells got it spot on there, good quote

yeah the stuff is shocking if you weren't aware of what war looks like up close, but man has seen these images for thousands of years. This is the unglamorus side of war, the real side.

It's not a video game what do people think is going to happen when a 50 cal. bullet the size of a baby's fist slams into ones skull at 2,000 feet a second. What happens when you set someone on fire with an agent that can't be put out etc.

I have friends over in Iraq that have seen far worse, far worse. Also, what do people expect flesh is going to look like when it's been blow up with explosives. THe rest of the world is used to seeing these images that we are sheltered from, it's not as shocking to them although it pisses them off just as bad as it would anybody with a concience.

The site doesn't offend me, even the comments the soldiers make. They are the ones there who need to be desensatised to this sort of stuff, besides since when has a human being refrained from degrading an enemy that just tried to kill them a second ago. It's human nature. All military men make comments like that, they just keep it within their societies and doen't bring it out into the civilian world that often. These photos are not a big deal.

Originally posted by jaamaan

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Said it before and I'll say it again, 85% - 90% of the world is stupid. And editing makes for good tv.

As for unseen war, its completely gross and I can't look away. Hollywood does a pretty good job of simulating real life. If I hadn't been desensitized my whole life I might have thrown up. Because I had, it was fascinating. Pretty scary to admit.

Imagine what type of pictures and footage you could have captured during WWII or WWI or any war before the 1960's when press and hard coverage of battle was first allowed. Imagine if Waffen SS troops had all been armed with digital cameras during the eastern campaigns in Russia what horrors would have been captured or if U.S. troops had bothered to photograph in detail the carnage that was the aftermath of the D-Day invasion on Normandy beach or the battle of Iwo Jima. My point is that this war does not corner the market on death and brutality, it is simply easier to capture with modern technology and easier to spread via the internet. For anyone who thinks that people don't get their heads blown off or legs blown off or get burned to death during war then think again. I am certain also that with very little effort you could produce just as many images of young U.S. troops who have been blown apart and killed in action by insurgents and terrorists. I wouldn't doubt that many of the Iraqi's in those pictures were probably killed by their own countrymen during suicide bombings. War is hell, is now, always has been, always will be. A soldier must carry a hard heart and cannot be hesitant when it comes to dispatching the enemy, less they become one of the dead themselves. Do the insurgents show remorse or compassion when they drag dead American pilots through the streets while dancing and cheering? There are no innocents here. Not saying it's right...it just is what it is.

Couldn't agree more blackops. Was is hell and all of those images could've been from any war, conflict, bar closing in history. Thank god for technology. I'm still glad that I got out of the army years ago. Joined too late for Gulf War 1 and left too early for Gulf War 2. Life is good.

I still cannot understand how some still glorify war, especially Hollywood. You never saw the blood and body pieces that would be splattered around in an old John Wayne War movie.. Hollywood would even, to a point, romanticize war.. i dont get it

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
I still cannot understand how some still glorify war, especially Hollywood. You never saw the blood and body pieces that would be splattered around in an old John Wayne War movie.. Hollywood would even, to a point, romanticize war.. i dont get it

war is good for business, look at all the money those in power have made from all sorts of deals, arms, oil, security etc etc

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
I still cannot understand how some still glorify war, especially Hollywood. You never saw the blood and body pieces that would be splattered around in an old John Wayne War movie.. Hollywood would even, to a point, romanticize war.. i dont get it

War has been glorified since the dawn of man...in many cultures it is seen as a right of passage or a right to man hood. Only in recent decades since the modernization of day to day life have people gotten fat and lazy and soft....replacing bravery and fortitude with complacency, weakness and pacifism. It may not be something that bleeding heart peacenik types want to swallow, but the fact is that all powerful and great empires and civilizations throughout history have been war like, thats right, meaning that they did not obtain their status of dominance by means of diplomacy and appeasement. People these days have no concept of what it means to have to fight and sacrifice and shed blood for their own survival. Im not glorifying war in any way because it is never pretty or easy when people die, but sometimes war is not only worthwhile, it is required in order to maintain order and quality of life. War is hell, but it will never go away.

Originally posted by BlackOps719

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
I still cannot understand how some still glorify war, especially Hollywood. You never saw the blood and body pieces that would be splattered around in an old John Wayne War movie.. Hollywood would even, to a point, romanticize war.. i dont get it

Only in recent decades since the modernization of day to day life have people gotten fat and lazy and soft....replacing bravery and fortitude with complacency, weakness and pacifism.

There is nothing brave about sending in troops of men armed with very sophisticated weapons of destruction to murder and slaughter men and women who are mostly unarmed or armed with primitive weapons. There is nothing brave about GW Bush sending in troops to fight while he sits in a comfy chair on the other side of the world. Those troops commited many murders, then if some label it "war" it is supposed to be ok. War is evil and disgusting. The fat, lazy and soft people today in the west is a totally different issue. Those in Iraq (or lebanon) are mostly not weak or soft of lazy, but dropping bombs and using depleted uranium against them is not brave at all, it is very cowardly and sick and disgusting. You have watched too many movies if you think there is something heroic about attacking people who aren't armed even nearly as well.