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If ET was Evil....What difference would it make?

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posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 08:52 PM
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With all the threads lately about experiencers and methods of contacing aliens and so on, naturally there are the fair share of members who understandably (sometimes) voice their concerns and advise people to be careful. The resident experiencers here on ATS are also saying that treading carefully is sound advice, and who could argue? I assume these people don't go into detail about these entities for fear of being flamed by proof seekers or spreading fear, I don't know.

I follow the sound advice and so I'm careful what I wish for. Except that being careful puts me on a degree of alert. It's sub concious fear on auto pilot. If I meet something in this frame of mind, I will probably be fearful of it (and have been and then got annoyed about it). I can't shed fear and love thy enemy and expect to embrace and learn anything when I'm fiddling around with dimensions and entities I once thought was the result of an unhealthy mind.

My wife and I have have recently had an almost identical experience but at different times. The interesting thing was when we spoke about it, we describe the same thing but had differing perceptions of the occurence and also different levels of fear. She told me that it had freaked her out, interestingly, this was a very different reaction from mine but we describe the same thing. I'm not necessarily referring to aliens here but the experience was new to both of us and therefore could have been anything.

If there are entities I really don't want to meet, how the dickens will I know? They are probably all scary. Any entity is going to have a greater knowledge of their dimension than I will and they could perform actions that would confuse the bejesus out of me

It all boils down to this. Whatever is really going on....it doesn't make one iota of difference to us as individuals. The fact is that we are on this planet....alone....as far as we know. If they are here doing whatever they do, then they are here doing it. It is simply a matter of do you want to know about it or not.

So I would be grateful if someone could tell me why I should care one jot whether aliens are evil or not?

If something's happening, then it's happening. If something's there, then it's there. If something is doing something, then it is doing something. The only guarantee I have is that someday my time on this Earth will be over. There is no proof life goes on so I must learn everything I possibly can, even if it kills me because I just can't see what hiding achieves.

Malevolence or benevolence is irrelevant.




posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 12:57 AM
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a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone.





I can't prove anything but I found that the aliens purposefully put on a bad image to keep humans away from them, when actually they are like divine gods of unlimited love. They have laws which forbid them from getting too friendly with humans, and they purposefully show little or no emotion towards us generally speaking. There are times when their superiors are not around and they show their true loving natures.

They are the gods as far as I am concerned, but they purposefully act cold and emotionless like demons sometimes as a cover to keep humanity away from them.

In all seriousness 'the gods are so extremely powerful and all pervading that there is absolutely no place for a real demon or evil entity to exist. There are only evil humans on the earth and beings that act evil in order to frighten humans and societies. Millions of people go to church simply because the gods manifest evil in one or two individuals and scare everyone off to church. The gods use fear to control societies and they create fear by creating evil manifestations purposefully.

They are all about control of our world, using many different methods. They say this is their school where they teach souls to behave, and the souls are their own young.

So they act evil to keep us away from them so that we can't get out of the school and avoid our lessons. But in truth they are the greatest love and our true family and friends.

That's some of what I have found anyway.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 01:51 AM
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Fear is good, fear belongs to the dark side, governments use fear to control its people...

"I do not care if they love me or not, as long as they obey me absolutely with fear!"

Not sure who said something like that, but I do know that anyone who uses fear as a tool for control cannot have the best interest of the subject at heart.

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Back to the question, Yup, it doesn't make much difference if E.T. has good or bad intentions but I still want to know. Let the ignorant suffer..... whahaaaa
(dark side speaking)

If someone is taking advantage of, lying or cheating to achieve a goal, I would rather know about it then to follow it blindly, become the tool or a victim for their wicked plans. I want the red pill.... even if it kills me.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 01:54 AM
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Everyone has their typical views, as shown above.

I've seen people deep in agreement with the thoughts of people such as William Cooper, and the government exchange programs.

I've seen people believe aliens are demons.

I've seen people believe we are part of a galactic network, in which we are being fought for, for control, with "Service-to-self" and "Service-to-other" aliens.

I've seen people believe we are all alone and there is no such things of aliens.


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And now my point of view..

From what I've experienced, seen, and read, but mostly felt and experienced, I don't believe there is anything negatively being protrayed by any type of exterrestrial species.

You can believe cattle mutilations are a result of alien harvesting, or you can believe they are part of government psy-ops projects or experiments.

You can believe crop circles are solely based by humans, or you can believe they are alien based forms of art, which we do not yet understand.

You can believe aliens are harvesting us, manipulating us, and subjecting us to harmful experiments, or you can believe they are researching us and observing us, much as we do animals in the wild.


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Furthermore, because everything, I mean EVERYTHING is different in evolutionary aspects, E.T. may exhibit physical actions or appearance that we seem threatening but may be kind and really gentle at heart.



I personally believe.. we have nothing to fear, as we've been given no reason to become fearful of them. The American government's gone through a lot of trouble to convey them as negative for those that bury deep in the research, but casting aside paranoia and the unknown.. rationalizing and common sense get you a lot farther.

I don't "want" to believe... I do believe.

I believe if you want it.. and earn it enough and show it.. you can meet an alien species.. they're not completely hands off or anything. You just have to reveal that openness, not just think you have the openness but be the openness..

Like I said.. I've had my experiences.. nothing threatening.. just warm... warm feelings



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 03:17 AM
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Originally posted by ixiy
Fear is good, fear belongs to the dark side, governments use fear to control its people...

"I do not care if they love me or not, as long as they obey me absolutely with fear!"

Not sure who said something like that, but I do know that anyone who uses fear as a tool for control cannot have the best interest of the subject at heart.

............ I want the red pill.... even if it kills me.


In The Bible God uses fear to control the humans. He threatens them with death if they go near his information tree. Then when they disobey him he commands beings to use weapons to keep the humans away from the garden. Scriptures are full of accounts of God using fear to control humanity. And the aliens are the gods as far as I know. So they are just doing what God has always done according to scriptures. But in this modern age we have created a new God that doesn't hurt anyone and just wants to love us like little children. That is not the reality of how God operates. Humans are dangerous creatures who will take a mile if you give them an inch, so fear is used to control them. That's what I believe anyway.

[edit on 12-11-2006 by probedbygrays]



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 03:33 AM
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I care if they are evil. I care because if they are, then I don't want people to be fooled into thinking they are nice if they aren't, if that makes sense. It only serves to help with their intentions.

PBG: How can you possibly know if they hate, as opposed to this love you speak of, if you are on their side as a spokesperson? You've never tested them, only doubted.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by violet
I care if they are evil. I care because if they are, then I don't want people to be fooled into thinking they are nice if they aren't, if that makes sense. It only serves to help with their intentions.

I understand what you say violet but how does hiding from it help us formulate a strategy to free ourselves if we haven't a clue about it?



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by probedbygrays
So they act evil to keep us away from them so that we can't get out of the school and avoid our lessons. But in truth they are the greatest love and our true family and friends.

That's some of what I have found anyway.

Right, but we just repeat these lessons over and over and over, again and again and again. Over and over....you see how tedious this is?

Then they torture us by showing us what awful lessons we've learned in the past and that we've been going through the same cycle since time immemorial. At no point do you get a clue on the requirements to get out of this loop, and it is a loop.

You are religious...what would hell be for you. For me, it is being stuck in a loop continuously repeating over and over and starting again. In fact, this is the whole ethos of meditation, this is the key to the universe...within the depths of your soul and you do it by starting over. But there are things that control other things and we are stopped from progressing and remembering, purposefully, and I still don't know why.


EDIT: Typo

[edit on 12/11/06 by Prote]



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 10:23 AM
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Thank you all for your other posts, I agree mostly with all of it. The only evil I see is the loop, all the other demon stuff is perception (IMO), it's those in a higher dimension that have an interest in humans that keep even the enlightened among us in the dark and they all seem to accept the loop. grrrr.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 10:26 AM
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Im sure if a sufficiently advanced technology made it through the many years it took to cultivate itself ,they would have long ago recognized the value of not destroying themselves through warfare and evolved their ethical/moral behaviour alongside technological change.
A realisation that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively would have also encouraged the understanding that positve outlooks on life far outweigh negative ones.
Of course we dont know, but I think it is far more likely that as a race evolves they become more emotional and attuned to the cosmos(not destroying their environment must have been a priority).
As for us, I think on the whole,as groups or individualy we are a lot less bloodthirsty as we were centuries ago(on the whole!)
If (when)definitive worldwide contact is made I am sure politicians will attempt to demonise them as controling the populace through fear has now almost become an olympic sport.
We should not take this hysteria at face value and instead use what is between our ears to objectively reason the likelhood of civilisations far superior to our own and possibly hundreds of thousands of years older displaying negative traits rather than positive values.
I think , as a betting man, I would wager the fact that they would be benevolent (not malevolent) far more likely,feasible and viable.
Cheers Karl



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 02:40 PM
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Im sure if a sufficiently advanced technology made it through the many years it took to cultivate itself ,they would have long ago recognized the value of not destroying themselves through warfare and evolved their ethical/moral behaviour alongside technological change.


I'm not sure of that.

Consider 1000 ET species and worlds out there. 900 of them are peaceful. 100 are expansionist, colonizing and war-like.

Given that we can't fly to other planets, and assumign that they can, which one is the first one we are likely to encounter?

Consider the Celts in Gaul. Was their first experience of outsiders with disciplined and rational Greek followers of Aristotle or humble Jews or Buddhists?

Seems that Roman Centurions with swords, spears and a war machine came first.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 03:04 PM
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Think about it:
"If your neightbour were evil, what difference would it make?".
There is a huge concern about possibilities, knowing that someone evil is capable of doing something to you.
Maybe it's just general paranoia, but, there's always the "who knows" factor.

Think about it



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 03:21 PM
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Fear will always be there. It's a part of human nature. We don't know what will happen if advanced lifeforms show themselves to society, and I'm sure they know that (if they're so advanced). I don't believe they are "gods" unless that's a metaphor.

If they were evil, I'd assume "something" would have happened by now. I believe they are more spectators or helpers tp us, but as humans, we take advantage of anything that will benefit ourselves. Again, that's human nature (for majority).

If you get taken advantage of, you usually will get upset depending on the situation. Of course advanced race would feel the same. But I believe they know we are weak, technologically and mentally, so it wouldn't be a surprise to them about our "ways".

We can assume that Advanced lifeforms are evil because we haven't seen them or interacted with them, so we judge them by looking at ourselves, our own race. I believe humans wouldn't be the greatest allie or enemy for that matter. We're like a young child compared to them. We change like the weather. Human's cannot stop controlling other humans, humans who have the power will usually become corrupted by it.

Advanced lifeforms are advanced for a reason, experience. They learn from it, we however do not. Governments do not care about the condition of the planet. Granted some do, but the "power" governments do not. The nations that create the most emmisions and pollutants aren't to kean on the Kyoto agreement. That's because 99% of the leaders in these countries benefit from the profits that create these same emmisions. Corruption. That's only one example of "human ways".

We are who is evil and we know it, but we don't like to admit it.

[edit on 12-11-2006 by T_Nexis]



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Prote
But there are things that control other things and we are stopped from progressing and remembering, purposefully, and I still don't know why.



It's because we are being kept in a box where we can't do any harm to the other worlds. The only way out of the loop is love. You'll notice that whenever someone comes on the web and says that they love the aliens and are free to be with them and travel the universe etc, then everyone will tell them it's a mistake to love the devil aliens and we must all kill them instead or at least block them out of our lives. Love is the first thing to be attacked and yet it is the Only thing that can free people from the loop. The loop is basically a paradox or a knot that is used to keep souls bound up. Until they learn love they will continue to be bound. Only love will enable you to walk out of the box past the guards.

Then you will find superior beings that make humans look like ignorant chimps. You will not be able to engage them in conversation because you have nothing in common at all. You only have to simply love them and they will lift you up and take you to the other worlds and teach you everything about reality by simply showing it to you. You'll realize you are like a little child and they are trying to help you grow. All you have to do is be loving and they'll do the rest.

I can meet the aliens physically because I love them unconditionally. They at one stage tried everything in their power to arouse fear and hatred in me so they could put me back in the box of 3-d life, but I showed complete fearlessness and unconditional love at all times and they had no choice but to let me in to their world.

Basically Christ taught us to love as well. Love our enemies even. But people don't do that and so they suffer. So realistically we have to be real Christians and not false ones. We have to love everyone including the aliens and our enemies and we will be free. There's no other way. Jesus taught unconditional love and until we learn that lesson, and I mean really learn it by living it, then we will forever be trapped outside of the greater reality in which the superior beings live.

This is their school. They created religions to guide us. The apex of religion is unconditional love. Once you learn that you have graduated from the earth school and are free. If you haven't learned that then you're stuck doing the same lessons over and over perpetually.

That's what I believe anyway. I'm free to physically interact with aliens and go out of this world with them, and I try to explain to other people how they can become free also, but people are full of fear and hatred and so they're not able to ever be free. They just attack my credibility instead. I guess I can't blame them for distrusting strangers, but all I can do is tell them what I have learned and what I experience and hope they get something from that.

So "LOVE" is the only way out of the box that the gods keep us in. It was the lesson of The Christ and it is the lesson we all must learn before we'll be free.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 05:41 PM
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Probedbygreys, where does your knowledge and experience stem from?



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by probedbygrays
So "LOVE" is the only way out of the box that the gods keep us in. It was the lesson of The Christ and it is the lesson we all must learn before we'll be free.

OK, I'm willing to give this a go. Perhaps you can tell me if their definition of Love or unconditional love is the same as ours?

I do now realise that Earth is a Soul School, but I don't understand why we have one go at it. One human lifetime to get it right, it's too short. If you keep starting over and over and wiping the slate clean each rebirth, you start from the same point, why can't we keep our memories?

It is like they are saying, here, learn this. Only you will never have enough time to figure it out and to make matters worse, we're gonna manipulate your memories, abduct you and make sure you're a total moron so you never figure it out and even if you do, you'll feel stupid every time you say something in public that's too close to the mark because we are so successful at keeping you humans dumbed down.

So this unconditional love thing....How long will that take me to master? 20 minutes or so? or a bit less?



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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You only have to simply love them and they will lift you up and take you to the other worlds and teach you everything about reality by simply showing it to you. You'll realize you are like a little child and they are trying to help you grow. All you have to do is be loving and they'll do the rest.


So we're supposed to love them, but they don't have any obligation to be nice and open and explain things to us inferior being first?

Sounds like a guilt trip to me.



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by probedbygrays
Humans are dangerous creatures who will take a mile if you give them an inch, so fear is used to control them. That's what I believe anyway.


Probed, I'm not a big fan of your posts, ideologies, beliefs and arrogance. BUT I do think your post to which I took the quote from is actually very good, reasonable and I find myself in agreement with you.

I'm not even sure if you're aware just how right you are. As you established in one of my threads my Biblical knowledge is quite good. Good enough to know that God tried to be ultra compassionate but it was us that forced him to use disclipinary (i.e. fear) measures.

When the Israelites were walking through the desert and received mana from Heaven every day they eventually began to complain that they got bored of mana. A stupid stance given there was nothing in the desert to sustain them.

Obviously you are a believer in alien intervention and that's how you explain the Bible's fascinating stories of miracles etc. I am fond of this hypothesis but not a hardcore believer in that theory. That said, I think Exodus conveys an interesting theme where man constnatly disappoints God forcing him to discipline is.

Actually the alien premise of God would go a long way to explaining the way that God himself and his interaction with us actually changes throughout the Bible God does change). Jesus it could be said was "First Contact" and set in place principles that greatly helped us become a technologically advanced society.

Pokey Oats



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 03:24 PM
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"Good" or "Bad" is always relative, no?

Lets assume the "Bad" alien for a moment....
They are "bad" as the invaders, we're "good" cause well, we're "us"...


or

are we "bad" because we polluted our world, war with each other, etc. and they "good" as they look to bring order (at least in their relative view)...

However, if they are "evil", then it could have some implications for us. As we globalize our economies, war is less and less frequent (and largely with those who aren't global traders). On our present path, war is becoming a thing of the past (believe it or not).

But, if the Universe is a far more harsh place, we may be going in the wrong direction....and becoming Universal beatniks may end up getting us put on the Gavorkian menu tray.....


The reverse could also be true....

Simply put, until we KNOW more about any others out in the Universe, the idea of them being "good" or "bad" is really a matter of opinion, and point of view....



posted on Nov, 13 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
"Simply put, until we KNOW more about any others out in the Universe, the idea of them being "good" or "bad" is really a matter of opinion, and point of view....

Thanks for your post, you helped me formulate the question a little differently...

My whole premise is about the fact that I think we just need to drop the pretences and get out there and explore and learn about these things. I think losing a few along the way is an acceptable risk, and loss, and I am prepared to be one of them if need be so yes, we need to KNOW much more which is the opposite of where the grounded amongst us would lead us.

So perhaps I will reformulate this question to...

(assuming they exist) Would the intentions of the Aliens make any difference to whether we get out and learn or sweep it under the carpet because there is scary stuff behind the curtain?

I say, it makes no difference at all, either way we get out and learn and share knowledge and experiences openly, understanding that the differences are perception. If we weren't so proof orientated, our species could make leaps and bounds. Clearly, somethings going on, even to us sheeple.

EDIT: Typo

[edit on 13/11/06 by Prote]



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