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posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 03:13 AM
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I am honestly shocked that there are sooo many people that haven't viewed Aaron Russo's movie, America: Freedom to Fascism.

Do I take the documentary as gospel? No. Do I believe everything I'm told? No. Do I question the obvious when the obvious warrants questioning? Yes!! There are so many things going on today, that spell corruption. The general populous of the United States of America is to lethargic that it will be extremely difficult to get anything done. Those of us that see what's going on have 2 battles... 1)awaken others... 2)fight what has been put in place already. All of us here at ATS are doing the right thing of questioning the obvious, and I for one will continue to do so until I have my answers.

I was "awoken" by my closest friend just a few months back as to the political debacle we are the midst of today. When he 1st pointed some things out, my though was, "What a nut job!" But he was persistant, and I have come to realize the truths have yet to be acknoledged. Since being awoken, I have spent some time on sharing the found information to my family members (by the way the most difficult to expose information to). I have pointed things out, from the Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal Express to black and white loop-holes in new laws being signed into effect. The issues I brought up to family were completely unbiased. I simply shared information that was backed up by facts.

I understand that I cannot just tell someone that the sky is blue and expect them to believe it. All I can do is share the factual proof with them, and allow them to decide on their own. I encourage everyone to do the same. Share the truth. Don't be discouraged when you are not believed. Be persistant, but be fair.

It worries me of what the future holds, for the reason being not of my children, not for me... but for those that haven't awaken from their apathetic slumber. I believe when our time hits it's end, my children, my wife, and I will be saved, because we are believers... we believe in God and His great plan. I have a lot of care in my heart and I am a very loving person. I just wished it was easier to spread the word of the truth. But, Just because it's hard, don't think for one second I'll stop trying.

As far as me babbling on and on... just to throw into the mix the concerns of getting something done about the Federal Reserve and the IRS, check this website out, and visit it often for updates.

www.givemeliberty.org...

Good luck and God Bless.




posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
...what's our currency really based on, if not for gold?


Programming.

Some people are being programmed to succeed, most are being programmed to fail.



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by Infoholic
I am honestly shocked that there are sooo many people that haven't viewed Aaron Russo's movie, America: Freedom to Fascism.


Most people are afraid, lazy and ignorant.

And the ones that aren't, just haven't tuned it in yet, because there is so much noise out there. Look over here, look over there, wait look behind you. There is too much information and dis-information comming at people from too many directions. They keep us confused, ignorant and docile. Actually we do it to ourselves and they just capitalize on our natural weakness.

The ones who realize what is really going on are ridiculed and ignored by those who are arrogant. (Definition of arrogance: Ignorant and afraid)

Those who have mastered the art of manipulating our natural weakness are just as arrogant as those who are being manipulated, because they are being manipulated as well.

Scary ain't it. No one is actually in control (Except for these di*kheads who control the money). I guess something that we don't really understand is in control, but no one really knows what the hell it is. That is why I am agnostic, because I don't know either, I can only guess, but I do know that my family deserves better and there is too much crap in my way making everything way too complex.

We need change, we need simplicity and we need it now.

[edit on 15-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by Gilgamesh
...you can say 'bye bye' to the dollar and hello 'amero'.

the true wealth of this world has been in less and less hands in recent history.


No conspiracy you say? (Or didn't say
)

Flood the market with easy credit causing people to switch savings to credit, start moving industry abroad and downsize the middle class (The middle 1/3rd of society who would resist the change), crash some planes into some buildings, goto war, remove peoples rights in the name of security, monitor organizations loyal to the constitution that might resist, manipulate the interest rate causing capital to flood into real estate causing it to rise to unrealistic levels.

Now you have set things up for a fall.

The landowners will back the amero. Bye, bye freedom for the common man, hello monarchy/oligarchy


They win through mass mind control.

The alternate scenareo is we stand together, we rise, we say go fuc* youself, and force congress to represent the constitution of the people. We win through individual mind control.


Either way it's gonna get bad.

Same shi@ different era.

Which version of the New Order of the World would you prefer?


Your mind is like a parachute. An open parachute lands safely, a parachute that doesn't open hits the ground with a thud.

Who packed your parachute?


[edit on 15-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 05:48 AM
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I often wonder what it is about gold that has us fighting over its control forthousands of years.


Eric Phelps thinks its is being hoarded by the the zionist roschilde vatican banking agents so they can build a super world religion huge temple in Israel that will be gold plated (after the destruction of islamic holy sites like temple mount, mecca etc).

or could gold's true properties be hidden from us (monotomic gold)


www.davidicke.com...



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 07:29 AM
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While you are correct in all you have said "In Nothing We Trust," you are missing some valuable information. You are on the edge of a great chasm, don't fall in. Governments can do what it wants to whomever it wants. Just a precaution. I have been warned by a friend and I am just passing it on.

BTW, if you can ever get hold of a copy of an old recording called "Inside Satans Locker Room" it will get you up to speed.



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by charlesmelissa
While you are correct in all you have said "In Nothing We Trust," you are missing some valuable information. You are on the edge of a great chasm, don't fall in. Governments can do what it wants to whomever it wants. Just a precaution. I have been warned by a friend and I am just passing it on.

BTW, if you can ever get hold of a copy of an old recording called "Inside Satans Locker Room" it will get you up to speed.



Originally posted by denythestatusquo

Originally posted by jaguarmike
This is by far the most dangerous thread ATS has ever had on it's board.


... this is the real deal, the real scam the real conspiracy..


Thanks for the warning.



[edit on 15-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
But being tied to something completely imaginary is a good thing how?

The religious seem to like it.
;D


So my question still stands, what kind of stability do we have when we base the values of things off of nothing?

I would have to thinkthat the answer is 'the stability that we do have'. I mean, even if it doesn't seem to make sense that this kind of currency should be stable, its certainly been stable. THis 'agreed upon fiction' has resulted in the stability that we see today.


I could just say that by racking up huge amounts of "debt" that I incur no such "debt" because it's not based on anything. True, it's a very lame argument, and it'd never hold up cause I can't lie worth anything, but it illustrates my point.

It looks like the difference is that the money lie is extremely persuasive, and thats why it works. Sort of like 'modern ritual magic', people understand that by saying a magic word, nothing actually happens, but they choose to suspsend disbeleif and create their own attachement to the ritual, and through that it has its desired psychological effect. Here we've agreed that the money has value, and because we all agree, it works.


You should, since it's what determines how much that ever small dollar in your pocket is really worth.

But my point is, what does it matter if the dollar is based on some tying into to an abstract concept like 'credit', or to an equaly abstract concept like 'gold is worth something'? If it works, it works, no?


The quantity that we have circulating in the American market and being stored in Fort Knox.

And how is that 'worth' anything? Its 'value' is just another word for a measure of 'how much is currently available'. We have to agree that its actually worth anything.


Because it's not based on anything, that's why. This is going into an economical argument, and it's kind of taking away from the rest of the debate. We can debate this in another thread if you'd like.

I'm certainly not qualified to start a whole nother thread on the subject. I just don't see why it shoudl really matter if our money now is based on credit. Money in the past was actual lumps of gold, with the emperor's profile stamped on it. I don't see how either is really 'rational or real'. THey're all abstractions. And this modern abstraction seems like its working pretty well. Its open to manipulation and problems, but when money was just a note entitling you to a mass of gold, there was manipulation and ruin also.


it's because credit has no value, while gold does.

Credit has value to people that want it. Gold has no value to people that don't want it. If there was a catastrophe in my town, and I needed to buy some food and water, I'd have a hard time getting people to accept nuggets of gold in exchange. Because they don't know the purity, the mass, the exchange rate on the market, etc. And they can't guarentee that they'd be able to sell the gold once the catastrophe is over for 'real money', which they could use anywhere. But with dollars, I can buy anything.
Yes, if the government collapses, then dollars aren't worth much. But in a catastrophe like that, gold won't be worth anything either, who'd exchange food and water for peices of dense yellow metal?

It's susceptable to computer error, while the gold sitting in Fort Knox is untamperable, so long as the guards don't go to sleep on the job.

But people can wreck the value of gold by purchasing it off the market, just like dollars. Some peopel have even attempted to do that. Or just look at spain during its colonial era, they figured that they were better off having more gold in the home country, mercantalism. It resulted in there being too much gold, its value plummeting, and their country going into near permanent collapse. Its only today even, with 'fake money', that they've been able to pull themselves together.


By everything that you've stated, there should be no reason for that, right??? RIGHT???

Its still a commodity. Its a metal that has potential value.

[edit on 15-11-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by charlesmelissaWhile you are correct in all you have said "In Nothing We Trust," you are missing some valuable information. You are on the edge of a great chasm, don't fall in. Governments can do what it wants to whomever it wants. Just a precaution. I have been warned by a friend and I am just passing it on.


Only if we let them!!!

The government should be afraid of the people, not the people being afraid of the government! The government works for us, we don't work for the government! There are way too frickin many people that have forgotten those simple little things!




posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 09:32 PM
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The government should be afraid of the people, not the people being afraid of the government! The government works for us, we don't work for the government! There are way too frickin many people that have forgotten those simple little things!

Yep, I agree. Problem is the government forgot that a long time ago. Now the question is, what can we do about it to remind them?



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 02:20 AM
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I for one am only person... do what you can, but here's what I'll do.

- I will not accept the new National ID card. Research the bill-> Government Printing Website

- I will and have already written to my congressman to request proof of the Federal Income tax law. Contact your congressman here -> www.visi.com...

- I will and have sent letters to my congressman to express my disgust with specific laws, and asking for their repeal.

- Most importantly, I will and have researched my incumbunts... if they support views to what I feel is the wrong direction...
VOTE THEM OUT!!! The ideal of power is driven by money. Get rid of the money and you essentially cut the head off the snake. Or, you'll end up stirring up a hornet's nest.



- Spread the word. Spread the word. Spread the word! You need to understand what liberties we have, and how each law effects them. You need to be able to share information with everyone you know (and don't), and allow them to see the truth. Now whether or not the see the truth, that's a different story. You can't force everyone to know and understand what we are facing today.

The general populous today is extremely apethetic. They don't care what's happening behind the scenes, because they are busy watching Survivor, or reading pornographic emails, or whatever. And for some, it will be and already is too late. It will be difficult to turn things around, but never will it be impossible.

[edit on 11/16/2006 by Infoholic]



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 07:00 AM
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Yes, and there are lawsuits before the court to overturn the income tax. Keep your ears open. When the suit moves closer to being decided, the gov. starts pushing the sales tax. Every time the suit crosses a hurdle, you hear about the national consumption tax (sales tax).



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 07:36 AM
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They are grasping for straws. Not very many people understand the laws. And the ones that do, are lethargic. I hear a lot of people around me that say, "Yeah, the law that never was." But there's not many that would be willing to band together and say, "Up yours."

The government is hiding behind the idea that for nearly 100 years, not many people, if any at all, know where the taxes end and our monetary rapage begins. Yes, taxes are needed to finace all governmental agencies, but within reason. That is why the constitution has allotted for direct taxes (cigarette tax, gasoline tax, luxury tax, etc.) Direct taxes are set to be... if you use it, pay the tax. If you don't want to pay the gasoline tax, don't buy gasoline. Duh!


The State Income Tax on your income has been set in accordance with state laws, rightfully. How else would we fund schools? How would they fund the road departments?

The Corporate Tax (I'm guessing would actually be the Fed. Inc. Tax) paid in by businesses or corporations (as was intended by the constitution/16th Amendment) is enough in it's own to fund the Nation's military.

The Federal Income Tax, the unproven one... is simply a way for the US government to pay interest back to the Federal Reserve for the paper they have issued to confuse the American populous.

You hear a lot about the IRS being the big bully to enforce the tax issue, as well. People think the IRS is a government agency. It's not! The IRS is simply a collection agency for the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is not a government agency either. The fed is only a handful of international bankers. Everyone's been over this one time and time again. It's kinda like beating a dead horse.

The court cases going on nowadays is just a way for the government to scare people into not questioning the obvious. Hmm... if everyone is scared of standing up to "this" idea... who would? No one, right? Wrong. More and more people are waking up, and the government needs to be worried.

Have a good day. I'm done ranting for a while.


[edit on 11/16/2006 by Infoholic]



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by TheBorg
But being tied to something completely imaginary is a good thing how?

The religious seem to like it.
;D


Good hit, and I must admit that as a religious man myself, I believe in something that cannot be proven or disproven. You may have a point here; something I'll bear in mind.
Again, good point. You won't get many of those, heh.



I would have to thinkthat the answer is 'the stability that we do have'. I mean, even if it doesn't seem to make sense that this kind of currency should be stable, its certainly been stable. THis 'agreed upon fiction' has resulted in the stability that we see today.


I suppose I can see what you mean with that, but my major concern with the credit system has more to do with the whole concept of interest, which is why the credit system was invented in the first place; to make the use of the interest rate more simple.



It looks like the difference is that the money lie is extremely persuasive, and thats why it works. Sort of like 'modern ritual magic', people understand that by saying a magic word, nothing actually happens, but they choose to suspsend disbeleif and create their own attachement to the ritual, and through that it has its desired psychological effect. Here we've agreed that the money has value, and because we all agree, it works.


Agree here wholeheartedly. My beef isn't with the value of money so much as what it's based on. I think that having it based on a limited supply of some tangible object is a MUCH better guage of our economic status than having it being based off of some intangible object like credit, which is just a number somewhere, that those in power can fluctuate on a moment's notice to make our dollar worth more or less.



But my point is, what does it matter if the dollar is based on some tying into to an abstract concept like 'credit', or to an equaly abstract concept like 'gold is worth something'? If it works, it works, no?


No, it doesn't work when you consider the core reason the credit system was made. As I'm to understand it, it was really designed to make it easier for those loaning money out to be able to do so, since they couldn't meet the finacial demands of their constituents. They[the financiers] had to devise a system where they could loan out more money than they actually had, only to demand more than they handed out in return. This way, they turned over a profit on the merger. From here, you can see where the conspiracy can go. It's a place that I don't much like thinking about, yet I live in the midst of it. We're a credit-based society, which effectively means that we're indebted for life. Almost reminds me of indentured servitude.

Here's a definition:

"An Indentured servant is an unfree labourer under contract to work (for a specified amount of time) for another person, often without any pay, but in exchange for accommodation, food, other essentials and/or free passage to a new country. After working for a number of years they were free to farm or take up trade of their own. ..."

Courtesy of en.wikipedia.org...

Now, tell me how close we are to that? It's not exactly what we are now, since we have many freedoms, and are relatively free to do as we choose, but we are still limited in many financial ways, which is not unintentional, in my opinion.



And how is that 'worth' anything? Its 'value' is just another word for a measure of 'how much is currently available'. We have to agree that its actually worth anything.


There's a measurable quantity of it though, and that's all that's really important.



I'm certainly not qualified to start a whole nother thread on the subject. I just don't see why it shoudl really matter if our money now is based on credit. Money in the past was actual lumps of gold, with the emperor's profile stamped on it. I don't see how either is really 'rational or real'. THey're all abstractions. And this modern abstraction seems like its working pretty well. Its open to manipulation and problems, but when money was just a note entitling you to a mass of gold, there was manipulation and ruin also.


True, but to the scale that we see now? I understand that there's a lot more money now, but my point is that proportionately speaking here, we've got to both admit that any system that leaves open doors for the powerful and wealthy to misuse it is not a good one, right? This is one such system, no matter who it seems to be "helping". It's not made in everyone's best "interest"; only in the "interest" of those with the money.



Credit has value to people that want it. Gold has no value to people that don't want it. If there was a catastrophe in my town, and I needed to buy some food and water, I'd have a hard time getting people to accept nuggets of gold in exchange. Because they don't know the purity, the mass, the exchange rate on the market, etc. And they can't guarentee that they'd be able to sell the gold once the catastrophe is over for 'real money', which they could use anywhere. But with dollars, I can buy anything.
Yes, if the government collapses, then dollars aren't worth much. But in a catastrophe like that, gold won't be worth anything either, who'd exchange food and water for peices of dense yellow metal?


You're using an extreme case to illustrate a potential weakness to my argument. That's neither relevant nor important to the point. The point is that gold will always have value, and I'd bet that you'd be hard pressed to find someone, anyone for that matter, even in the case of a major catastrophe, that wouldn't take gold as payment. In the event of a major catastrophe, American currency will amount to squat, while gold as a precious metal, will still be used as currency. Why? Because everyone knows that it's valuable, while the paper that we carry around right now is worth less than it's labeled to be.

Bear in mind also that gold has been traded for millenia all over this planet, so everyone knows that it carries significant value.



But people can wreck the value of gold by purchasing it off the market, just like dollars. Some peopel have even attempted to do that. Or just look at spain during its colonial era, they figured that they were better off having more gold in the home country, mercantalism. It resulted in there being too much gold, its value plummeting, and their country going into near permanent collapse. Its only today even, with 'fake money', that they've been able to pull themselves together.


So don't just use gold? Use other precious metals as well, such as silver, platinum, etc etc... It'd be the same as right now, but at least it's value won't be dictated by someone, or some small group of people. It would have a "flat worth". In other words, it would be entirely based upon how much was in circulation.



Its still a commodity. Its a metal that has potential value.
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And that's why I think we need to be focusing on it as a primary basis for our economy, and not on some weak system of fake currency.

Again, Nygdan, you've accomplished what few have since I came here. You've managed to make me think REALLY hard. I got a small headache now. Thanks for readin. If this keeps up, I smell a WATS in your future.

And thanks again for the brain exercise.

Anyone else wanna pitch in, feel free.

TheBorg

Edited for spelling error.

[edit on 18-11-2006 by TheBorg]



posted on Nov, 18 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Yeah the whole gold issue is a big one. If you remember, the sumerian texts explain how nibiru needed gold particles to repair the ozone layer of the planet and mined it using homo sapiens (newly created by the annunaki) to do the job. If you think about it, our primitive ancestors probably had no clue as to why they were slaving over gold. It probably got imbedded into us that gold was more valuable than anything. If it was our first motive as homo sapien, it is still in some, if not most, of us today. Think about it, people work all day long for a piece of paper representing gold. We run on gold. Didn't we use to run on love? Now before you roll your eyes at that, i'm serious. Free spirits don't require money. I think it would be interesting to write a serious research paper or book tying all of this together.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 01:05 AM
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the bankers are the root of all political evil, simply because the biggest profits come form lending money to nations at war, and the nice extra benefit of culling the herd.


They manipulate theings behind the scenes to make sure conflict is ongoing, and, that no single nation gets beyond their capability to control.

I believe the lincoln and kennedey assassinations had a lot to do with their noble attempts to introduce currency to american people that was backed by gold, and not debt or the IRS's right to collect income taxes.

the bankers wouldn't want to destroy america, just keep the balance, while keeping the military indistrial complex busy, and voters in fear of the boogey man on the other side of the border.

just like the romans, our leaders today just have to give the people "bread and circuses" to distract them from the truth, which has become pizza and the internet in todays world.






posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 10:06 AM
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I urge every person reading this to go to America:Freedom to Fascism and judge for yourself what in have believevd for a long time 9!) WEe are not in control of our government at all. The International Banking Conspirators Invented the Federal reserve Board. Because of the National Debt that they have forced upon us , they own us. (2) the 16 Amend. to our Constittution was never legally ratified . Sed. of then Treasury P. Knox under the Wilson Presidancy unlawfully signed off on the necessary number of States needeed to voter this fraus into existance. (3) The federal income tax is illegal and there is no law whatsoever on any books documents or anyhting that gives it power. Once again we have been screwed and lied to.The IRS is a privately held company that was formed to be the strong armed thugs for The Federal Reserve Board in implementing the new Fed. Tax that is illegal. Wake up America !! By hthe way has anyone done an audit recently to determine how much of our nations gold reserves are actually there? I didn't think so.

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posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 10:11 AM
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The person that wrote this inmformation is a patriot. I believe what he says is accuratye. If you have not seen Americas: Freedom To Fascism see it debate it think about it . Do not ignore it



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 10:20 AM
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The Golden rule; He Who Has The Gold Rules, right? Has anyone aseen the gold reserve of the United States recently? I heard that the Fed took control of the majority of our (ued to be our) gold several years ago as a hedge against our mounting debt to them. Of course , we would never allow a foreign banking interest to be in charge of our monetary system now would we?



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by longryder
... we would never allow a foreign banking interest to be in charge of our monetary system now would we?


You tell me.






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