Originally posted by StellarX
I am not sure that one can or that you have but whatever the case it most certainly did not make the trails in the sky go away so it's completely irrelevant if his lying or not.
The original article included pictures taken on the ramp of a 727. The supposed spray jets in the photos were nothing more then the standard heated masts such as the one that can be seen in this 727 photo, labeled as “HOT”:
Vortex Generators Such as in this photo:
Antennas:
The Flap Screw casings ( sorry, I don’t know their proper name,we used to call them the “watch you don’t hit your head” things
):
These are all normal parts of an aircraft and can be seen on old 707’s, thus it was apparent to anyone that has been around aircraft that the whole thing was a big joke done by a bunch of board mechanics or ramp agents.
Originally posted by StellarX
There is no such thing as a 'logical person' and by your apparent definition ( anyone who thinks differently are not thinking 'logically') we should be thankful.
Actually I bet you’re wrong. Yes, there is a minority of folks that still hang out and propagate this notion of Chemtrails, but I believe the majority understand it’s just not true. If you don’t believe me then see if you can get an admin to post a poll and we’ll get actual numbers.
Originally posted by StellarX
And as accurate as the rest of them in my opinion.
Well let’s see, someone that worked for many years in aviation at a fairly high rank, and someone with apparently no aviation experience…. Hmmmm… Yeah I can see where that makes you more accurate then me and have a far more educated understanding of the truth.
Originally posted by StellarX
Which is basically my point and certainly that does not lead to less chem trails...
Nope, but its one less place on an aircraft that they can hide the "make believe chemicals" they are supposedly spraying.
Originally posted by StellarX
You have shown what is contained in commercial Av-gas as per standards that are normally used and once again i am not sure what you think you have proved. Telling us what the standards are hardly changes what we observe and your contributing nothing in that regard.
It tells you what is in the fuel, this is helpful so that if you ever decide to take a chance and actually go in search of the truth you’ll know what to expect from lab results.
Originally posted by StellarX
It may not have changed in those flights that leaves regular contrails but how can you suggest that it's the same for the flights that leaves these massively persistent trails?
Because I have seen commercial aircraft that I have worked on leave persistent contrails. As I have been a supervisor and know what went on the aircraft, either I am part of the conspiracy or contrails, being of the same substance as clouds, can linger for as long as normal clouds can. The only reason that many contrails don’t persist is that there is less ice and water vapor in them so they dissipate faster then a cloud, but this is not always the case.
Originally posted by StellarX
You think the organization involved in this scam will sell me whatever is used to create these chem trails or that it is now sold as regular fuel everywhere in the world? Why do you think they are simply distributing whatever causes these trails as regular fuel?
See, here is where your ignorance of aviation is hurting you. If you have been around an airport, you would know that the fuel all comes from the same place. Where I am at, it comes from the port and it piped to the tank farm at the airport. All the fuel in those main tanks is the same, and is pumped from there out to each airside to a secondary pump that pumps to each gate. The entire system is underground and not accessible from the tank all the way to the gate without someone ripping up concrete or opening up manholes. They also have one small tank that holds military fuel since we are a diversion airport for MacDill AFB. If they ever have to switch fuel tanks they have to literally shut down fuel to the entire airside to do it, it’s a big deal and a huge mess. So much so that in all the years I worked there I only ever saw it happen one time. Point being that the gas is all the same, same additives, same everything, if they have to switch tanks for some reason then it’s switched an entire airside at a time. So if you go buy fuel and it come from the tank, then its exactly the same fuel that is going into the aircraft.
Also PisTonZOR brings up another great point. That fuel is checked all the time for impurities, water, bacteria, all kinds of stuff. Water is a big one because it seeps in the tanks from condensation and pipe leakage, water also gets into the tanks of the aircraft and has to be sumped off. They go through a great deal of work to ensure the quality of that fuel to be putting a bunch of blood, spider webs, and aluminum powder in it.
Also if you look, you might notice the HUGE filters on the backs of the fuel trucks, like this: Filter, which are used to keep fuel impurities out of the aircraft.
Originally posted by StellarX
while those aviation folks who don't know what is going on might arrogantly assume that they 'know it all' they clearly do not and have simply not explained what they have been asked to explain.
No such crap, if you can work a UsAir or a Continental flight, you can work a British Air or Air Canada flight. There are a few slight procedural and paperwork differences between airlines, but they all are ground serviced the exact same way. There is no uber secret upper echelon of personnel. Now each ramp group has a sort of A-Team that is used to work special flights, things like expensive charters, sports teams, flights that are going to have press coverage, or Unique aircraft that don’t come in regularly, but there is nothing really special these ramp agents either, I was on our team. Generally they are the guys with the most experience, with the best safety records, who act and look the most professional. Also as an airport is like a small city unto itself there is very little that goes on in it that is not known by all the people that work there, the rumor mill is always grinding away.
Originally posted by StellarX
Some are but as i have repeatedly said in the past i think chem trails are being laid for the good of Europeans and Americans
As Essan has repeatedly tried to explain to you contrails actually hurt the environment and NASA is trying to find a way to cut down on them. To think that they are making them on purpose to help the climate is exactly backwards of what is going on in reality.
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). So with that in mind let’s say they have one bank of flights per hour, which means that your 150 aircraft all arrive within the closest span
of time in that hour as is humanly possible dependent on the number of runways. So with that in mind, you basically have that formation of bombers
flying over the poor folks in Georgia on an hourly basis. I am sure that some poor moonshiner sitting in the hills of Georgia, who does not know that
planes don’t use props anymore, thinks that the evil revenuers are out to ruin his business by creating constant cloud cover over his crops. The
reality of the situation though is simply a misunderstanding based on perspective, its not in his perspective to understand what is really happening,
so to him it’s a conspiracy, yet in reality the conspiracy is non-existent and he is simply being trampled under the wheels of progress. 
