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Originally posted by defcon5
See this right here, this is what started it.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Nothing to see here folks, move along....
This is a composite taken of the western sky and is just a small portion, but shows how they are merging.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
no disrespect , LONEGUNMAN .
BUT all i see is pictures of clouds that may be entirely natural
i believe ESSAN has corrrectly identified the weather phenonemon you witnessed and it requires no super secret heavy jets flying paterns over your home
Originally posted by defcon5
I take this as an implied remark that I am a disinformation person telling folks to dismiss something they have seen.
The facts are the facts;
an operation such as Chemtrail spraying on the magnitude that folks seem to think it exists would have to involve knowledge of folks working in the aviation field.
There are just not enough military bases around to support such a thing, and even if they could, ATC guys would have to be clearing the sky for their antics.
Unless its only over areas that are marked off as restricted to military activity. Ask one of your relatives, I am sure if you have access to that many pilots at least one of them knows how the ATC system works.
Something like this would run through the civilian aviation circles like crazy. There would be no way to hide it.
Originally posted by StellarX
Who's facts are we talking about here; theirs or ours?
Originally posted by StellarX
So funding the Nazi war machine before and during the second world war by US government officials were unknown to the US government?
Originally posted by StellarX
So what if high ranking officials in the aviation industry knows about this and also understand that they better not talk about it?
Originally posted by StellarX
What do you think their silence on the issue proves there is no conspiracy?
Originally posted by StellarX
contrails just did not persist the way they do these days
Originally posted by StellarX
impossible for lack of knowledge as to how many facilities they have somewhere other than what we do know about?
Originally posted by StellarX
Why presume that the limits of your understanding and knowledge of the air force as a limit on their capabilities?
Originally posted by StellarX
Why do they want all those new tankers if the old one's are as brand new as their official flight hours supposedly indicate they are?
Originally posted by StellarX
As to the ATC question their database can obviously easily be integrated and used to provide flight routes for these aircraft if they are in fact operating at normal commercial altitudes.
Originally posted by StellarX
Why on earth presume that civilian ATC controllers would be in the know about this?
Originally posted by StellarX
Why presume their displays would even indicate that these planes are in the sky?
Originally posted by StellarX
The FAA is a federal branch and i can't imagine why it would be so hard to send a official to each ATC center to simply block certain flight profiles from every being registered as being in the sky.
Originally posted by StellarX
People who don't know what has been hidden in the past always makes this vapid ignorant claim and i have little respect for anyone who pretends that bigger and more complex 'secrets' than this one have been kept from public knowledge for longer.
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by StellarX
So what if high ranking officials in the aviation industry knows about this and also understand that they better not talk about it?
That is just the point, they could not contain it to only high ranking officials. High ranking officials are not the guys that would transport, store, pump, weight and balance the supposed chemicals. ATC guys would have to be in the know to direct traffic around where the spraying was going on.
Originally posted by Essan
All professional meteorologists would also need to be in on it as the cloud formation would impact on forecasting.
They would also need to be able to fob off all the amateur meteorologists who be noticing it, as well of course as all the aviation enthusiasts who'd likewise notice what is happening.
The size of the conspiracy would be massive.
Originally posted by StellarX
Is it not easy enough ( when you know nothing of commercial aviation fuel mixtures) to assume that something just changed and these trails now last longer than they used to?
Originally posted by whaaa
It seems as if the only thing they post on is chem/con; no other interests. That in itself seem sort of conspiratorial. Did you think no one would notice?
Originally posted by StellarX
Originally posted by Essan
All professional meteorologists would also need to be in on it as the cloud formation would impact on forecasting.
Why would all professional meteorologist have to be in on it? Do you know how badly understood this 'science' is and why do you supposed they would assume something needs to be covered up here? Is it not easy enough ( when you know nothing of commercial aviation fuel mixtures) to assume that something just changed and these trails now last longer than they used to?
Originally posted by whaaa
The things that cause me to side with LoneGunMan on the "chemtrail" issue is that debunkers flood this site with little or no background on ATS whenever chem/con trail are mentioned.
Originally posted by Essan
Originally posted by whaaa
The things that cause me to side with LoneGunMan on the "chemtrail" issue is that debunkers flood this site with little or no background on ATS whenever chem/con trail are mentioned.
Indeed - Defcon 5 and myself have only been around for 2 and a half years - in fact only a year longer than you have
Originally posted by superpaul55
I feel sorry for you to think the government is spraying you with chemicals from planes.