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Bush43 WINS Nov. 7 Election! Republicans Lose, Dems? Who Are They?

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posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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The Office of President always has the advantage over the Congress, vis a vis the public relations war. This Administration can - and does - speak with one voice. Congress, OTOH, has at least two voices. (And 38,000 employees). The Senate with its peculiar perspectives, and the House, with a slightly different POV, due primarily to the Senate’s longer 6 year terms versus the House’s shorter 2 year term. Although politicians are always concerned over their image, House members can never stop running. Endless fund raising is disgraceful. It takes too many members away from their elected responsibilities for too much time. That is our fault. We do not want to pay for elections. Until we taxpayers pay, those who do pay will continue to “own” the Congress. The 2006 election cost about $2.5 billion. About 0.09% of this years Federal budget. Less than 1/10th of 1%. Is it worth it? The private funders of our elections think so. Do they know something we do not know?

Has Bush43 seen a new light? Was November 7 his eureka moment? Yes, but not in the way most of us thought at first. That he would be humbled, somewhat deferential to his intellectual superiors, maybe a little bit contrite and ready to genuinely listen to and accept advice from people better informed than he. Au contraire! Bush43 has not seen any light, other than the opportunity to put a Bush43 spin on the election and what it portends for the American public and the world at large.

Q. Does any one really think Bush43 and Karl Rove did not know Rumsfeld was the root cause or the public focal point of the Administration's failure in Iraq? The GOP’s albatross? Lightning rod? Fire him in October, and win the Congressional election, or fire him the day after the election and become the real hero to the electorate as a great compromiser who truly wants to be a uniter. Recall 2000? WOW! So why do we keep saying Bush43 is so dumb? He has literally turned a sow’s ear into a silk purse. PS. Who do you think told Virginia's George Allen to "get out of there!" even though Virginia law made a re-count mandatory?

This election presented Bush43with a golden opportunity to get rid of a losing figure in the Pentagon without himself assuming the ultimate responsibility for the failing program he launched with great fanfare on March 18, 2003. It’s enough to make you believe in God. That was followed by his May 1 grandly choreographed appearance on the USS Lincoln’s flight deck under the banner “Mission Accomplished.” With our attention now focused on Bob Gates and maybe a new approach, Bush43 has adroitly escaped his own personal accountability. FLASH! BBC news reports Bush43 looking for Rumsfeld's replacement last 6 weeks, and Bob Gates was No. 3 on the short list. Tony Snow (Fox now WH) denied that story but offered no time-line on either the decision to let Rumsfeld go, or who should be the follow-on Sec of Def.

Example. Bush43 has asked the Senate to take up the John Bolton appointment to the United Nations. A lame duck Senate. Rejected by the voters. Does that sound have anyone who has “taken the 12 steps” to political sobriety? Not on your life. Everyone knows the Democrats are strongly opposed to John Bolton. That request showed me the real intentions of Bush43 and VP Cheney. They will take full advantage of the usual honeymoon period, to regain some degree of public support, however shallow it may turn out to be. We are in for a -l o n g- 2 years.

Did you listen to Bush43 in the Rumsfeld “firing” news conference? He read a speech written by a committee which sounded very much like he, Bush43, was reaching out to the newly empowered Democrats. Then the real Bushr43 spoke extemporaneously in response to questions. At every opportunity, he re-asserted that our goal in Iraq was “victory” and that we would continue to do what is needed in the war on terrorism. He never slowed to offer a definition of “victory” nor how he would approach the WOT after the public rebuke of his policies in this election. He did not make a single concession and he reaffirmed over and over his policy which has not changed since the Nine Eleven Event.

Finally, did you watch the tv interview of Speaker to be Nancy Pelosi with Bush43 in the White House, after a luncheon? He tried very deftly to co-opt Mrs. Pelosi by asserting in her presence that they would work together to achieve his goals! Only politeness and respect for the office - not this occupant - on her part prevented her from rebuking Bush43 on national tv. Nancy, like Tony Blair, has become Bush43's ‘designated driver’ while he wobbles into history looking more like a drunken sailor than an AWOL Air Guardsman!

And more decent people strive mightly to undo and to fix his many messes. Say No Thanks, George, You Did Us Wrong!


[edit on 11/10/2006 by donwhite]




posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by donwhite


That he would be humbled, somewhat deferential to his intellectual superiors


I presume you are talking about the new slate of democrats as intellectually superior?

Got any more good jokes?




Say No Thanks, George, You Did Us Wrong!


Saddam is that you? Or are you someone with the Al Qaeda network?



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 10:20 PM
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I agree with you Donwhite, I smell the perfect occasion and pre plan to what will become no longer a Republican problem but now a Democrat problem.

People tend to have short time memories and the mess in Iraq that we right now know is Bush mess, will become Ms. Pelosi mess.


Bush will still do as bush will do and the Republican party will blame anything that will come from the Iraqi war from now on as a failure of the new Democrat elected congress.

What a way to pave the way to the 2008 elections, by that time people will forget who go us there and will only remember that Democrats could not fix it.

The present administration and its private interest has invested to much time and money to the real goal of the Iraqi liberation agenda to let go that easily.

Now that Rumsfeld is gone he can dedicate more time to work with the Cheney energy task force and the members of the Carlyle group of investors into new strategies to achieve that goal.

BTW you know that Baker and Gates are all Carlyle people with big interest in that firm.


Yes everything will fall right in their hands when the president and the Republican party starts to complain to the American public about the new solutions to deal with the Iraq problem coming from Baker's bipartisan study if the Democrats refuse to listen.

What a shame is nothing more than corruption and more corruption.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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My stomach hurts from laughing.

Perhaps because you still hold on to the foolish notion that

a. Democrats are intellectual
b. democrats are actually a better option than republicans
c. democrats are truly different than republicans.

Truth is:

a. democrats are pseudointellectual snobs who hold a patronizing elitist attitude towards anyone not in their dinner parties
b. democrats are equal to republicans: equally bad. corrupt sellouts. and the democrats are equal in their attack on the constitution. they simply attack those rights and liberties the republicans dont.
c. democrats signed their name to the very same anti-constitutional bills the republicans did, like the patriot act and so on, and democrats are just as bad when it comes to surveilance.



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 01:52 AM
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George Bush, like anyone who has just crapped himself in front of the whole nation, needed to do and infact did a great job of looking surprised and asking who farted... then blaming Rumsfeld, no doubt about it. And now he'll do what anyone would do in that situation... quickly change his pants and return to the party... but there's nothing he can do to change the fact that he's the kind of person who craps his pants. You can't fix stupid.

As far as that goes, no quarrel Don.

But now we move on to the other side. Everyone who believes that there was anything like respect in Pelosi's decision to not to get all over Bush like birdshot on Harry Whittington, stand on your head. To believe that, you'd have to believe that Pelosi has had an epiphany like that which Bush pretends to have had since the election.

The fact of the matter is that the dems are just minding their manners: they're pretending they believe that Rumsfeld farted because it would be socially unacceptable to accuse your host of crapping himself. But all the while she knows and she's making a note to remove him from the guest list when it comes time for her to play hostess.

Have the dems suddenly become a party of reconciliation and progress? Come on. You couldn't sell that story to the National Enquirer, even if you threw in the Paris Hiltion/Bigfoot sex tapes for free.

The political parties still serve the people who pay to elect them, as you so astutely pointed out. Considering the substantial overlap, this means that the democrats are unlikely to rock the boat in significant ways, except those in which they have cornered the market on funding, and that's going to mean the end of the honeymoon and all out war when it comes time to decide the direction of the government's unconstitutional meddling in social affairs- God help us if John Paul Stevens finally gives up the ghost.

On the issues the congress SHOULD be working out though?
The new Democrat congress is going to be kicking ass and taking names when it comes to putting up immigration reforms with nice big loopholes, but they'll stop short of standing up for what they believe in and really opening the border to potential constituents. The Republicans will fire the honorable shot then surrender, call it comprehensive reform and try to deny that all they did was was give amnesty yet again and change the nature of the paperwork for the few who bother to go through legal channels to come in.

They'll raise the minimum wage just enough to keep the improvrished impovrished, because the poor are no longer useful when they can't afford gas to get to work, but don't expect Walmart employees to suddenly be able to take their children to the dentist when its necessary.

They may try to open up the market for Canadian drugs a bit more, but they won't do the responsible thing and regulate the Rx drug market to see to it that we don't judge a person's worthiness to have their life saved based on the kind of job they were able to get.

Long story short, don't expect good government and don't expect the Republicans and Democrats to hold hands and frolic in the fields. They'll do what they've always done shortly- call eachother dirty names whenever they're not busy teaming up to hold us down while their common benefactors bend us over backwards.



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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1) You said nice things about me
2) Your posts compliment my posts
3) You have your own enlightened twist on this Greek comedy . . . or is it, tragedy?
4) We'll all look forward with interst to see
5) Who is the smarter. Dems or GOP?


PS. How much does that grand-nephew weigh, M3?






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posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 02:13 PM
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Thanks Donwhite, I do understand your point of view and I respect it, because like you say is a game, a political game and lets see who is the smartest of the two.

But can it be just a game or just a make believe while the two elites parties just cater to the same master, while we the population claim victory or fefeat while dreaming that both parties are different and that they mean something.

It is a comedy a saga and a tragedy for the people involve the lives of our soldiers and the lives of the people that are dying from the consequences of the actions of the leaders of our nation.

Who is the smartest? I tell you it is not any of us the American people even when we think we know them all.


BTW my grand nephew was 7 pounds and 11 ounces. a good size boy.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 09:01 AM
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posted by marg6043

Thanks Donwhite, like you say [politics] is a game, and lets see who is the smartest of the two.

But can it be just a game while the two party’s elites cater to the same master, while we the population claim victory or defeat while dreaming that both parties are different and that they mean something . . the lives of our soldiers and the lives of the people that are dying from the consequences of the actions of the leaders of our nation. Who is the smartest? I tell you it is not any of us the American people even when we think we know them all. [Edited by Don W]




Ah, you call to mind the really great patriots of the people, Cuba’s Jose Marti, South America’s Simon Bolivar. I will not overlook Haiti, the first (and only) free black country in the Western Hemisphere. In 1804, Haiti's black Gen. Jean Jacques Dessalines, who said, “Live Free or Die!” led Haiti to freedom from France. Now that's the official slogan of New Hampshire and on its license tags. OTOH, It seems to me history of Mexico best encapsulates the irrepressible wish of the human sprit to be free of dominance and of exploitation by others. The first (successful) Mexican revolution was led by Fr. Miguel Hidalgo in 1810, who acted against his bishops. This led to Pres. Guadalupe Victoria in 1824, who abolished slavery and the hereditary nobility. President Benito Juarez decreed the separation of church and state in 1859. The last Mexican Revolution began in 1910, led by Emiliano Zapata and Francisco “Pancho” Villa. The current Mexican Constitution was put in place in 1917. www.mexican-embassy.dk...

I have looked at history a long time. There is no place where the rich do not own the system. It is the rich who have the most at stake, who have the best opportunities, who have the networking, who have the skills, the ambitions, and the ability to translate ideals into reality. The USSR and the PLC were aberrations. Both have reverted to control by the rich. There have been great men of the past who did the one thing the rich can do, treat the poor decently. A chance to thrive in a world dominated by big money. That’s our best hope. Lloyd George of England. William Lyon Mackenzie of Canada, Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt of our own country.

Cuba and North Korea are the last holdout state socialist countries. We like to call them communists! It seems more vile. Daniel Ortega has already invited the rich into Nicaragua. Whether the open threats by Bush43 to “eliminate” him brought on this willingness to accept outsider capital is problematical. He has the evidence of the Hamas and the Palestinians who took democracy seriously. Much more so than Bush43 and Israel ever did.

Off topic: Has Bush43 changed after the rebuke the voters slapped on him? Which Democrat did he consult when he fired Rumsfeld and he chose Bob Gates as successor? There was an opportunity to be open and a united, missed again! Bush43 has not changed, will not change, can not change. I remind you, any man who can sign 154 death warrants in 6 years - one every two weeks on average - is not normal.


[edit on 11/12/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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Has Bush43 changed after the rebuke the voters slapped on him? Which Democrat did he consult when he fired Rumsfeld and he chose Bob Gates as successor? There was an opportunity to be open and a united, missed again! Bush43 has not changed, will not change, can not change. I remind you, any man who can sign 154 death warrants in 6 years - one every two weeks on average - is not normal.

Bush43 has now co-pted the Demcorats. He will make them into co-conspirators. He has a new patsy to share the burden of his failure. It's one versus 229 in the House and one versus 51 in the Senate. the one can win almost every time. It looks bad for the Dems.
The Gang of Four is now the Gang of Three.



[edit on 11/12/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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posted by marg6043

I agree Donwhite, I smell the perfect plan to what will no longer be a Republican only problem but now a Democrat problem too. People tend to have short time memories and the mess in Iraq that we right now know is Bush mess. Bush will still do as bush will do and the Republican party will blame anything that will come from the Iraqi war as a failure of the new Democrat elected congress. The private interest has invested too much time and money to the real goal of the Iraqi liberation to let go easily.

Now that Rumsfeld is gone BTW you know Baker and Gates are Carlyle people with big interest in that firm? Everything will fall in their hands when the president and the Republican party starts to complain about the new solutions to deal with the Iraq problem coming from Baker's bipartisan study if the Democrats refuse to listen. What a shame is nothing more than corruption and more corruption. [Edited by Don W]



And now read this from ABC News. The Washington Post said the secret military study commissioned by Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted senior defense officials as dubbing the three alternatives
1) Go big,
2) go long and
3) go home.

Sen. John McCain, a front-running 2008 hopeful, has urged that additional U.S. troops be sent to Iraq. Congressman Charles Rangel, New York Democrat, pushed his argument the military draft should be reinstated. Rangel said Sunday that "there's no question that this president and his administration would never have invaded Iraq on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if we had a draft army.




[edit on 11/20/2006 by donwhite]




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