Hezbollah Judge Elected in Michigan

www.debbieschlussel.com...

I am using the title from the article ... so no one shoot the messenger.

Also - I put this in War on Terror and not Politics because it seems to be more related to terror groups, but if the mods feel it's better suited for politics ... then a move is fine by me.

David Turfe has been elected Michigan District Court Judge for Dearborn Heights which is the 20th district in Michigan. I know someone from that area and they call a section of it 'little Saudi' because of all the Arab immigrants. He is now being referred to as the Hezbollah Judge by those who didn't vote for him. He has been an outspoken supporter of Hezbollah.

Fore more read here -
www.debbieschlussel.com...

I'm looking for backup to the allegations ...

beh, what can we do about it?

It's democracy, the majority wins... there is absolutely nothing you, or anyone else can do.

Whether or not Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation is a matter of perspective. They are not recognised as a terrorist organisation globally but as a defence militia.
The British Government lists them as a terrorist organisation but I think that hardly counts for anything, given their pandering to Israel and past misrepresentation of anyone who does not agree with the party line

Ugh.

Why is it that Conservitives always attack character while Liberals attack poilicy?

This man attended a rally in suport of a nation that was under attack. An internationally recognized illegal attack at that. Apparently some there were some comments made at that rally...

speakers made a plethora of anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian speeches

Please define "anti-whatever". If I make the comment "There are some Christian organizations that do more harm than good", you could (and some would) call it "anti-christian". How about some quotes from that rally? What were these vile statments that should condem this man's reputation to that of a "supporter of terror"?

I'd like to see some facts sprikled in with this blatent character assasination.

Originally posted by Britguy
They are not recognised as a terrorist organisation globally

It doesn't matter what the globe thinks of them. Here in America Hezbollah is recognized as a terrorist organization. The US Government put a restriction upon itself that it can't have dealings with Hezbollah as well.

Originally posted by BitRaiser

Why is it that Conservitives always attack character while Liberals attack poilicy?

oh please, this is one of the most biased and ignorant comments i've seen recently. did you watch any of the campaign adds this year? have you seen any of the "bush is the antichrist" threads? how about just admitting that both sides are equally capable of and guilty of character attacks.

*yawn*

Yeah... tell me another one.

I'm not saying that Liberals never resort to character attacks, but I will say that Conservitives seem to use the tactic constantly.

This is the impression I've gotten. I'm neither, just for the record. I could be described as a liberal, simply because I believe in liberties, but I'm not particularly fond of the Liberal party here in Canada. Nor am I conservitive. My votes go the the NDP since they are the last Socialist party we have up here with any clout and they are the ones that talk policy more than talk smack.

Down south, I don't even believe there's a difference. The political system in the US seems to be a front for Corporate intrests... little more. The bias of the people keeps them distracted while they get shafted. Meanwhile, there's a definate flavor to the two sides. Conservitives are generally unwilling to discuss issues and throw insults, slander, and libel at anyone who dares to question their views. Liberals constantly attack policy and when become frustrated by their voices being stymied, get a little on the side.

Go ahead 'n sling your mud at me if it makes you feel better.
I'm expressing my observations.

Maybe you'd be better off taking a real look at the issues and how you are being manipulated, though.

tell me again how my post was slinging mud? instead of making unfounded attacks, why dont you post some proof to back up your remarks? i dont bother delving into canadian politics because i recognize that i know very little about the subject. what exactly qualifies you to make uneducated comments about our political system?

Originally posted by snafu7700
tell me again how my post was slinging mud? instead of making unfounded attacks, why dont you post some proof to back up your remarks? i dont bother delving into canadian politics because i recognize that i know very little about the subject. what exactly qualifies you to make uneducated comments about our political system?

Thank you.
I couldn't possibly have come up with a better example to support my observations on how conservitives like to opperate.

I DID post information on the actual issue that this thread is about. The artical linked to shows some classic examples of how to mis-represent information for the purpose of misleading the public. Rather than dealing with that, you chose to use strawman tactics by attacking a minor comment. Then, when feeling threatened, you chose to attack my character and education. Again, saying nothing about the actual issue.

*sigh*

This is the problem with partisan politics in a nutshell.
You are so busy attacking me that you are utterly failing to think for yourself about the actual issue.

You consider this site an infomative site! This is a hate site at best.

This loser looks like Danny Bonaducci's fat-ass brother. He doesn't look of Middle East descent; maybe he converted in hope of getting in on some of that "72 Virgins" BS these pukes are dying for because he didn't get laid at his prom.

This woman is atrocious. Is this the best you can do to prove your anti-islamic agenda? Disgusting.

Originally posted by BitRaiser
Thank you.
I couldn't possibly have come up with a better example to support my observations on how conservitives like to opperate.

now that's funny. i voted a straight democratic ticket, but because i called you on your bias, i'm a neocon. just like all the other ultra liberal folks on this site....it was vote rigging with the republicans won, when the democrats win, the people have spoken. whatever.

I DID post information on the actual issue that this thread is about. The artical linked to shows some classic examples of how to mis-represent information for the purpose of misleading the public.

no, you referenced the source flyer had already posted. and it had nothing to do with your claim that conservatives use character attacks and liberals dont. like i said, how about some proof?

Rather than dealing with that, you chose to use strawman tactics by attacking a minor comment.

i called you on your bias, and rather than counter my remarks with some facts, you decided to attack me personally. grow up.

Then, when feeling threatened, you chose to attack my character and education. Again, saying nothing about the actual issue.

now that's rich. please show me where i attacked your character and education. there is a huge difference between making an uneducated remark (which you obviously did) and having no education.

This is the problem with partisan politics in a nutshell.
You are so busy attacking me that you are utterly failing to think for yourself about the actual issue.

and for all your drama (in fact, this whole post was nothing but drama in which you added nothing to the thread), you have as of yet to provide any proof of your claims that conservatives would rather attack character than talk about the issues.

i'll ask you again, since you have decided to skirt the issue with all this worthless crap.....how are the conservatives any more guilty of character attacks than the liberals?

I think it's time to discuss the topic and not each other.
I know this is PTS, but personal attacks do little to help the debate.

Please do not derail the thread with any more poo flinging.

The source says of voters who supported Turfe:

Were they all legal U.S. citizens? Don't count on it. From our spy in Dearbornistan Heights:

The city had a large turn out. From what was witnessed...many many FOREIGNERS....couldn't even speak English. Lots of young people...scarves & all.

From what was observed, many ballots were marked off with 1 vote....for Turfe. Just goes to show how much they care about all the other issues.

At this time I would like to point out a little known fact. Although it is not explicity stated anywhere that I know of, I do believe there are strong implications our laws that you are probably allowed to keep your citizenship even if you don't speak english, wear a scarf, and don't vote for every office on a ballot.

I mean get real, this person's "spies" think this proves the voters were illegal? Those are some pretty sharp spies. I haven't seen a more suspect intelligence analysis since... well since the last time I read anything about the CIA anyway, but I stand by the point.

I hate to tell you this Flyersfan, but "don't shoot the messenger" is less than convincing when the messenger in question chooses to bring word from a blogger who appears to be some kind of moron.

Edit to add:

Just to emphasize one more time for the road, the source is somekind of a whacko. I'm not saying anything bad about FF.

[edit on 10-11-2006 by The Vagabond]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
You consider this site an infomative site!

Guess you missed where I said THIS in the very first post -

I'm looking for backup to the allegations ...

And as of yet I have not been able to find any backup to the allegations. Also, the purpose of this site is to post information found and to discuss it. That's what I have done.

This is info on the Hezbollah Rally and some of the US politicians who went -
www.debbieschlussel.com...

Blog about the judge and his pro-terrorist-group leanings -
blog

Another blog that reports that there were voting irregularities ... but I haven't found any more info on that. The link given to show Turfes pro-terrorist views didn't work for me.

www.iris.org.il...

Is this the best you can do to prove your anti-islamic agenda?

To post an article that claims a US Judge is a Hezbollah supporter is NOT an anti-Islamic agenda. It is posting an article to discuss whether or not a US Judge is a sympthizer to a group that is recognized by the US government as a TERRORIST GROUP.

If I wanted to prove that Islam is stupid and/or dangerous all i would have to do is post the truthful information from this site - www.thereligionofpeace.com... (warning - graphic and insulting images)

so get a grip.




[edit on 11/10/2006 by FlyersFan]

OH LOOK!! His supporters went to his rally shouting 'Allah Akhbar'
powerlineblog.com...

For the record: Allahu Akbar is a shortened form of the Arabic phrase Allahu Akbar min kulli shay, which means "God is greater than everything."

I have heard worse from self-espoused christians...

SkittlesLA

and in case anyone comes up with any bright ideas about their Allah meaning something else ...Arabic speaking Catholics/Christians/Malakites/Coptics also use the word Allah and as skittlesla said...it means the word God

as much as i hate to agree with pieman about anything, supporters shouting "god is great," regardless of the language in which they are saying it, is not exactly what i would call a big problem. the US congress says as much in english during prayers at the beginning of each session.

Ummmm..... I am from the suburbs of Detroit as well and I can tell you that none of the media in this area is potraying this the way you describe.

He does come from an area that is heavily Arab-American, one of the largest outside the Middle East. Is it such a shock that a former City councilman wins in his own hometown? I don't even know if the man is Muslim or not, I would guess he is but that is making assumptions and you know what that does. Supposedly, he coaches little league too, does this make him a threat?

Sorry I just don't see it as a bad deal.

Dateline Detroit Suburbs:

A massive upheaval in the form of little leaguers running the streets of suburban Detroit vandalized and burned out several toy stores and two candy shops, as well as a Baskin Robbins early this afternoon....

"I was terrified as they welded baseball bats, and they just took what they wanted..."

Police were afraid to move in, as we all know those 9-11 year olds can be very testy after eating a ton of candy.

The Chief of Police was sure that things would calm down around three pm, as this is a well know fact that nap time would come, and bring calm to the city...

SkittlesLA