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The Dutch want to ban Hells Angels.

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posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 10:01 AM
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Today the Dutch ministery of Justice announced they go to court to total ban every part and of activity of Hells Angels in the Netherlands. According to the Justice department they don't belong in the Dutch society.
 



www.iol.co.za
Amsterdam - Dutch prosecutors said on Wednesday they would apply to the courts for a total ban on the activities of the Hells Angels, accusing the motorcycling club of involvement in organised crime.

"The target is not violations committed by individual members, rather large-scale criminal activities within an organised association," a spokesperson said.

Reports said the prosecutors aimed to use the civil rather than the criminal code, as the burden of proof required was lower. Attempts have been made in the Netherlands in the past to ban single chapters of the club, but never the entire organisation.



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Prosecutors think they found sufficient evidence for the acts of the Hells Angels which are a danger for the public order. It not just single offences, but large-scale criminal activities in organized connection.

By raids last year on about 45 locations in The Netherlands criminal activities came to light , such as forgery, darkening, heling, extortion and weapon possession. Also hennepplantages have been found. They are also linked to various killings.

And all divisions of the Hells Angels made themself guilty of discrimination to race and skincolor, because blacks can't become a may member according to world-wide valid rules.

The prosecutors wants reach the total ban through a civil procedure, because the argumentation is along this way the simplest. The civil lawsuits stand alone of the criminal lawuits against 22 Hells Angels.

The prosecutors wants all 110 Hells Angels in front of the court.

As far as I know The Netherlands are the first ones to try to ban this motorcyble club. How is it in other countries?



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[edit on 8/11/2006 by rai76]




posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 12:31 PM
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Well, all the HA's need to do is to proclaim themselves a political party. After all, the Dutch courts approved a pedophile political party this summer.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, all the HA's need to do is to proclaim themselves a political party. After all, the Dutch courts approved a pedophile political party this summer.


That's an easy answer my friend.

For one, The Netherlands are a liberal democratic country, also very progressive, many countries can learn something from that. You can take my word that if one of those pedophiles make one wrong move they will be jailed, we follow every pedophile closely. If you followed the story you would have known they tried to proclaim a polictical party, but nearly no one was interested, so they vanished. And that is a good thing of a democraty. Because they went public and some went with them they cut themselves because the goverment knows who they are so they can't hide anymore.

As for the Hells Angels, I am against to forbid the group of 110 men, because if you forbid them, they go underground and it's more difficult to track what they do, it's the same as with the pedophiles, better to know who they are so we can watch them and catch if they make a bad move.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 03:23 PM
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After all, the Dutch courts approved a pedophile political party this summer.


Which last I read has a grand total of a single member.
Extremely amusing considering all the attention it got on here.

That member is a little demented and confused too (surprise) - one of his proposals was to set the age of consent at 12 - just about the age actual pedophiles stop finding kids attractive.

As for the Hell's Angels, well, as far as I know most places take a dim view of gangs.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 03:31 PM
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Taking a dim view is one thing. Banning them is another thing altogether. Here in the US we have many HA's and other gangs, including Nazi's, MS-13, and others.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 04:29 PM
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What goes around comes around I always say........(or think at least if not verbelised)

I bet Hells Angels will want to kick out all they're Dutch members in kind.......you know, to be fair and all.

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posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 04:30 PM
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They should just execute those fools and be done with it. Nothin but a bunch of modern KKK on wheels.

I dont see why people have this idea that hate groups and criminal gangs are an essential part of the free world. THEY MAKE THE FREE WORLD A FEARFUL AND HORRIBLE PLACE TO LIVE!!!

Gangs like the ones mentioned above add nothing productive or positive to society. They strike fear into those who do not fit their racial bias, corrupt families by recruiting young thugs to throw away their lives for criminal causes, keep neighborhoods dilapadated with drugs and weapons for the sake of profit, and kill many many people.

Explain to me how they deserve any freedom and protection from any constitution? Frankly, I would gladly accept legislation deeming every one of those kinds of organizations terrorism, and allow our military to clean up house. Many peoples live's would become much better and easier to live as a result.



posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Taking a dim view is one thing. Banning them is another thing altogether. Here in the US we have many HA's and other gangs, including Nazi's, MS-13, and others.


True, but in the US it kind of goes against the political grain to "ban" organizations.

Beyond RICO, I don't think there is even any legal means of doing so.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by xmotex

Originally posted by jsobecky
Taking a dim view is one thing. Banning them is another thing altogether. Here in the US we have many HA's and other gangs, including Nazi's, MS-13, and others.


True, but in the US it kind of goes against the political grain to "ban" organizations.

Beyond RICO, I don't think there is even any legal means of doing so.

There is no legal way of banning them. As well there should not be. They may be distasteful and abhorrent, but some might say the same about your church group. Should we ban it also?



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:03 AM
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The dutch are banning the Angels because they're largely a criminal organization. Makes perfect sense to ban them. IN the US, they've somehow gotten a better rep than they used to have, I think that they've been romanticised a bit.

Nothing romantic about drug addled thugs straddling hogs screaming down the road.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:06 AM
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i dont have a problem with this. from what i know about HA, they are trouble makers and perhaps even hatemongerers.

in my opinion, theyre one tier below the KKK.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 02:45 AM
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Many people have been waiting for the patriot act to step up to this issue because most would fit the deffinition. They along with other gangs are nothing more than terrorist and anyone that lives in their neighbourhood knows that.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Aren't the Hell's Angels responsible for a lot of drug trade in Europe? Especially between Holland and England.

That's probably one of the many reasons why they'd want to ban them



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 06:32 AM
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Whats the problem?
Have the hells angels started wearing the Hijab or something?



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 06:40 AM
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That is just one of the many reasons. They are absolutely violent people, alot of them are linked to various murders in the Netherlands.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by rai76
By raids last year on about 45 locations in The Netherlands criminal activities came to light , such as forgery, darkening, heling, extortion and weapon possession. Also hennepplantages have been found. They are also linked to various killings.


Good God!!! Not Darkening and Heling!
And they found hennepplantages, you say?
WTF is this world coming to?!?!?

Errr... some Dutch person out there want to explain those things to me?



Originally posted by rai76
As far as I know The Netherlands are the first ones to try to ban this motorcyble club. How is it in other countries?


If you're interested in the history of the Hell's Angels, I heavily recommend the book "Hell's Angels" by Hunter S. Thompson (the columnist from Rolling Stone who was the inspiration for the character Duke from Doonesbury and the main character from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. He traveled with the Hell's Angels for about 2 years. It's a fascinating book. I read it cover to cover, and it gives a lot of insight into these guys.

For those without the time or inclination to read it, in essence, the Hell's Angels are, typically, society's rejects, or those whom have rejected society, and their one driving obsession becomes their bikes (almost always Harley's). They are extremely close-knit, and a fight with one Hell's Angel means a fight with all of them. Every city in America that's tried to take them down has learned the hard way that it's better just to let them ride through. Sometimes they enjoy being the center of attention, sometimes they don't. Mostly, they just want to ride their bikes, get wasted, and get laid.

The idea that they are some sort of organized crime syndicate is laughable because, while many of them are ex-cons, or frequent law breakers, it's never really about advancing the Hell's Angels, or towards some sort of grand scheme or greater goal. Each member is an island of their own means and ends, and the only time they really come together to pool their resources is if they are going into a fight, or if they're having a party.

The alleged headline hype about the gang rapes, destruction of towns, riots, and so forth, are mostly the fabrications of a rather zealous California Lieutenant Governor and unsubstantiated claims by secondhand witnesses. After about the 1970's, the U.S. police and the Hell's Angels reached a sort of unspoken agreement where the Hell's Angels would remain mostly out of sight, and the police would remain mostly lenient on their passing through town.

Despite the animal fear of having dozens of armed ex-cons entering your liquor store, for the most part they pay the bill and leave without incident, making the store owner quite wealthy overnight. In short, they're not the most savory sort in society, but mostly they just want to be left alone to their own devices. And should you ever run across one, either ignore them or give them respectful distance, because the absolute last thing you want to do is start a fight with one.

I think the Dutch government is about to find out why the U.S. governments made their uneasy peace with the Hell's Angels. Perhaps the only thing in Dutchland's favor is that most of the Angels live in the United States, and are generally too poor to travel overseas. If an American town tried to outlaw the Hell's Angel's, I absolutely guarentee that town would, within a month, have nearly every chapter of Hell's Angels in the country camping out there, putting on one hell of a show.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 07:40 AM
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How many people here would vote to ban a member of al Qaeda or Hezbollah from the country? Or, how about banning someone who sympathizes with and supports them?



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by rai76
By raids last year on about 45 locations in The Netherlands criminal activities came to light , such as forgery, darkening, heling, extortion and weapon possession. Also hennepplantages have been found. They are also linked to various killings.


Hear is one of the ansers

3 hemps plantations closed

On the Buckwheat street, it Accaciaplantsoen and the Hekselbrink have been henneplantages encountered with overall 400 plants. There is once swindled with the electricteitsmeter. Also be 2 cofffeeshops controlled.


sorce
When I find the others I will try to let you know



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 08:15 AM
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In Canada they have an anti-gang law. They closed down a couple of Hells Angels fortified bunkers all across the country, and they jailed a bunch of motorcycle gang members. They are still biking around with the full patch in public, though, not sure how effective this law is, and there was much controversy over a court house built specially for Hells Angels with tax dollars.

And street gangs in Canada are systemically filling ethic complaints against the police every time they encounter cops to discourage arrests, because cops can't their job normally while the case is under investigation or something to that effect.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 08:15 AM
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Hear is one possibility for the meaning of heling.

dictionary

The other word, darkening, as well as heling have different meanings. I think there is a problem with the translation. Perhaps some one farmiler with Holland laws could exsplain it better.



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