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Originally posted by apc
This administration has repeatedly demonstrated a desire to keep our interrogation techniques a secret. The most rational reason for this is because they want to keep our enemies from training in ways to defeat these techniques.
Originally posted by soficrow
Which brings us to the real problem with torture as an interrogation technique. Torture is ineffective precisely because men will do or say anything just to make it stop.
Originally posted by apc
We can inject irrelevant viewpoints all day long and it won't change the nature of the issue. It's not an issue of torture, or legal defense... it's simple war and the control of information provided to the enemy.
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I still find the opening statement of this posting so grossly biased I am amazed it was approved. The only fact, however twisted, was the first sentence, the rest was complete and total opinion which doesn't belong in the opening.
[edit on 8-11-2006 by apc]
Originally posted by MrPenny
Originally posted by soficrow
Which brings us to the real problem with torture as an interrogation technique. Torture is ineffective precisely because men will do or say anything just to make it stop.
If its so obviously ineffective....why do professionals continue to use it? Just for the kicks? Nothing better to do?
Not only will torture victims tell you anything....they will also tell you everything...literally puke everything from their mind in order to make it stop. I doubt a torture victim can rationally invent crap on the fly, while hiding the real intel.
apc is correct...it is intelligence that a combatant would not want its opponent to know. Whether its illegal, horrific, torture techniques, or something as simple as the time of day interrogations are conducted. The release of that information is comparable to publishing battle plans and tactics.
Originally posted by MrPenny
Not only will torture victims tell you anything....they will also tell you everything...literally puke everything from their mind in order to make it stop. I doubt a torture victim can rationally invent crap on the fly, while hiding the real intel.
Originally posted by Waiting2awake
If it is a war, then they are provided protections under the gc - do they not?
If it is a war, then the Red Cross and AI should have been allowed there. They weren't! Those that have been released, including the Canadian, has reported about the torutre there - which goes to underline the illegal nature of this entire thing.
Seriously apc, exactly how many lies, half-truths and obfuscations does there have to be, before you come to grips with the fact that you have been lied to. That those that you seem to hold allegence to are not worthy of it?
BTW - there is nothing wrong with being biased against Torture - is there?
This first paragraph should portray just the facts of the story in an objective and unbiased way and not your opinion.
Originally posted by Waiting2awake
*BTW - we all know where all the usual posters allegencies lie. You can tell from their posts
polanksi
Attempting to keep information from the enemy is but a consequence of our own actions.