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Originally posted by lombozo
First off - I would make ENGLISH the official language. Period.
Originally posted by lombozo
Borders would be sealed. There would be background checks on every single person who comes into this country. Their whereabouts would be monitored. If something didn't add up, sorry, turn around and go home.
Originally posted by lombozo
Student Visas? HAH! There are many US citizens who can't get into college, but a foreigner comes over, takes a US citizens place, then goes back to their country to use their knowledge many times against the US' interests. Round up every single person who is here on a student Visa, and scrutinize them under a microscope. Something doesn't add up, send them home on the next flight.
Originally posted by lombozo
ALL benefits, from Social Security to unemployment and everything else, will cease to be granted to ANYONE who is not a US citizen.
Originally posted by lombozo
If you are here illegally - You're going home immediately. You want to stay, then apply for citizenship, do what you have to do, and become a citizen.
Originally posted by lombozo
The death penalty would be used much more.
I think we should establish English as the "official" language. However, remember we are primarily a nation of immigrants. Go back far enough and you will probably have someone in your family who emigrated here. I'm all for accomodating those who come here lawfully and participate legally. Much of the call prompt situation you refer to is done by businesses who want to do business with the immigrant population.
Sounds good on paper, but where do we get the manpower to perform that task? I'm not sure it's practical, but if there's a way to thoroughly screen holders of student visas, then we should. Maybe make it the responsibility of the resident country before they even get here? And if they're not from a "friendly" and cooperative nation, then why would we take them, anyway?
This is where we probably disagree the most. I don't trust the government to levy property taxes properly, much less have life-or-death call on any individual. I don't have any faith in the ability of "society" to make that call on anything approaching a fair and equitable basis. It's too irrevocable.
BTW, I've served on 3 juries myself and considered it a civic duty to serve. But if I never get called to serve again, it won't hurt my feelings.
Good post.
Originally posted by lombozo
The death penalty would be used much more.
Originally posted by lombozo
You commit rape - you die. You molest a child - you die. You commit murder - you die. The revenues saved by doing this are more than likely staggering.
Originally posted by lombozo
Why do we dump Billions of dollars per year on other countries, when my kids don't have computers in their schools.
Originally posted by lombozo
When there are children who are hungry and cold, because their parents can't find good employment.
Originally posted by lombozo
When I have to see people sleeping on the streets because they have no home. Often times these homeless people are veterans.
When I see an entire city devestated by Katrina, and the country can't seem to fix anything. There are still people who are living in temporary housing.
Originally posted by lombozo
The list goes on and on, yet we still dump Billions of dollars helping other countries.
Originally posted by Elijio
Well i'm getting my student visa so I can go to college in new york
It's not my fault if do better on the SAT than 70% of the american kids so...
nyah nyah na nyah naaaa I just want to live with my family. LOL @ screening for student visas,(sarcasm on) yeah, those looow standard colleges will let anyone in huh?(sarcasm off)
Much more or more efficient? I would strongly disagree with much more, however more efficiently is something I could support. I agree that some monsters do not deserve the years of appeals and maybe the system should have some sort of loop whole. But in time they would be exploited which would possibly put an innocent man in the ground. I'm sitting on the fence for Capital punishment, so using it more is without a doubt a no no. But adjusting the system that is already in place is something I am up to discuss.
I agree with you on all but two points. Social Security should be based on how much you put into the system, not if you are a citizen. Someone I know has been in this country woking and paying into ss for many many years and for what ever reason she is not a citizen. She should still get her SS benifits. I feel this is the fair way to do it. In this area I hear of many who come to this country, become a citizen and collect SS and have never worked a day contributing to it.
quote: Originally posted by lombozo
You commit rape - you die. You molest a child - you die. You commit murder - you die. The revenues saved by doing this are more than likely staggering.
Are you familiar with the actual costs of putting a man to death? I believe it is a common misconception among many of us. I fully understand why people justify these actions, and maybe I am wrong to disagree. But I would not support the death penalty here.
Saving the lives of innocent children in Africa and giving a child in America a internet access, easy decision in my books. However, your message is loud and clear. How can we defend this? I'm not sure how to discuss this one. Why do we turn our backs on children in our back yard who are dieing, so save children millions of miles away?
Originally Posted by lombozo
Interesting question, actually, no I don't have any idea what the costs are for putting a man to death.
Death Penalty has Cost New Jersey Taxpayers $253 Million
A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. The study examined the costs of death penalty cases to prosecutor offices, public defender offices, courts, and correctional facilities. The report's authors said that the cost estimate is "very conservative" because other significant costs uniquely associated with the death penalty were not available. "From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded.
Death PenaltyInfo.Org
Every major cost study has shown capital punishment to be more expensive than an alternative system where life-imprisonment is the maximum sentence. To see why, note that only a small fraction of the cases that start out as capital trials actually result in a death sentence, and only about 10% of those death sentences result in an execution. The 784 inmates executed (as of June 26th, 2002) since 1976 are only a fraction of the roughly 7,000 death sentences in that time, which sprang from an even larger number of trials.
Yet, all of these cases were more expensive from the beginning, regardless of their final outcome, because they began as capital trials. Death penalty trials are more expensive than ordinary murder trials. They entail more pre-trial preparation time, more attorneys, longer jury selections, more expert witnesses, and a heightened level of due process. They are 3 to 5 times longer, and the defendant is less likely to simply plead guilty to avoid a trial if there is a chance of being executed.
Considering the small percentage of executions that result, these expenses are a burden on the justice system. Yet, doing away with them without also getting rid of capital punishment would be unwise. Since 1976, over 100 people have been released from death row based on newly discovered evidence of their innocence - almost 13% of the number executed!
www.fguide.org...
According to Richard Dieter, Executive Director of the Death Penalty Information Center in Washington, D.C., the most comprehensive cost study was published by Duke University researchers in 1993. This two-year study determined North Carolina's capital cases cost at least an extra $2.16 million per execution, compared to what taxpayers would have spent if defendants were tried without the death penalty and sentenced to life in prison. Applying those figures nationally would mean $1.69 billion were spent on the 784 executions carried out nationwide since 1976 (in 1993 dollars).
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Some county governments have neared bankruptcy to fund their capital trials. In Sierra County, California, authorities had to cut police services in 1988 to pay for the cost of pursuing death penalty prosecutions. In another case of wasted money, over 500 New Jersey police officers were laid off in 1991, while the state spent $16 million on the death penalty - more than enough to hire 500 officers at a salary of $30,000 each. In Texas, prisoners were serving only one-fifth of their sentences in the early 1990s, due to prison overcrowding, while the state spent $183 million over six years on executions.
Originally posted by chissler
So that brings up the point, skip all of the appeals process. Well we do it the first time on a real, cut and dry case. Next time when its not so cut and dry, do we push for the hasty execution again? And then again? How long before the process is turned into a weekend event and we are putting innocent men into the ground.
Originally posted by kitanis
I am comming in way late in this post. But the cost figures given for executions are based on Present system of executions.
I think it would be simpler to do executions the way the Chinese did or do it. As soon as the appeal is done, take them out and shoot them in the head, Immediately.
49 cents max cost depending on caliber.
Executions are a poltical hot nest due to the passion of the supporters and the disenters to the method. There are some who are sitting on death row because of activist lawyers who appeal for the accused without even consulintg thier Client. No wonder the costs are skyrocketing for convicted death pentalty imates.
Originally posted by kitanis
I think it would be simpler to do executions the way the Chinese did or do it. As soon as the appeal is done, take them out and shoot them in the head, Immediately.
Originally posted by lombozo
Never again have to "press 1" for English.
Borders would be sealed. There would be background checks on every single person who comes into this country. Their whereabouts would be monitored. If something didn't add up, sorry, turn around and go home.
Student Visas? HAH! There are many US citizens who can't get into college, but a foreigner comes over, takes a US citizens place, then goes back to their country to use their knowledge many times against the US' interests.
ALL benefits, from Social Security to unemployment and everything else, will cease to be granted to ANYONE who is not a US citizen.
If you are here illegally - You're going home immediately.
The death penalty would be used much more. DO NOT take this out of context. If there is a cut and dry case, a date with the needle.No appeals, no decades of living off of my tax dollars.
Bring the majority of troops home from all around the globe. The other countries don't want us there, and are ungrateful for the help.
Why do we dump Billions of dollars per year on other countries, when my kids don't have computers in their schools.
When senior citizens can't afford to buy the medication they NEED.
When there are children who are hungry and cold, because their parents can't find good employment.
When I see an entire city devestated by Katrina, and the country can't seem to fix anything. There are still people who are living in temporary housing.
Don't take this out of context.
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Originally posted by lombozo
Never again have to "press 1" for English.
but when you're out and about in the USA, English is the language that is spoken by the populace.
Borders would be sealed.
There would be background checks on every single person who comes into this country.
Their whereabouts would be monitored. If something didn't add up, sorry, turn around and go home.
Student Visas? HAH! There are many US citizens who can't get into college,
but a foreigner comes over, takes a US citizens place, then goes back to their country to use their knowledge many times against the US' interests.
ALL benefits, from Social Security to unemployment and everything else, will cease to be granted to ANYONE who is not a US citizen.
The death penalty would be used much more. DO NOT take this out of context. If there is a cut and dry case, a date with the needle. Cases like the BTK killer, where there is absolutely no doubt of his guilt. Kill him immediately.
No appeals, no decades of living off of my tax dollars.
I don't want to hear, that "His/Her childhood was a bad one...."
My childhood was no party, trust me. But I don't decide to go and rape and/or kill anyone.
You commit rape - you die. You molest a child - you die. You commit murder - you die. The revenues saved by doing this are more than likely staggering.
Sorry, but let the other countries deal with their own problems. For instance, the 2 Koreas.
As a small business owner, I know how difficult it is to get any type of a business loan. It is extremely difficult. Why is it so easy for a foreign business owner to get a loan?
Why do we dump Billions of dollars per year on other countries, when my kids don't have computers in their schools.
When I have to see people sleeping on the streets because they have no home.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Baloney. The US runs a 'brain drain' on the rest of the world, sucking up the capable, motivated, and intellegent, through its student visa programme, they overwhelmingly stay in the US and advance the US's technology and interests. If you want to shoot america in the foot, then yeah, go ahead, prevent smart people from comming here.
And they're not taking anyone's place. There isn't a 'place' for everyone, its based on merit.