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What's so bad about Babylon?

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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:38 AM
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They were just another civilization. So what if they took the Jews from their holy land? The things Hitler did were far more worse. I don't get why the Bible acknowledges that Babylon is so evil. Can anyone explain why?

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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 02:03 PM
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Where does it say Babylon is 'evil?'



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by queenannie38
Where does it say Babylon is 'evil?'


Revelations



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:19 PM
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And now after I have done some research, I am getting Babylon confused with Babalon?



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 03:49 PM
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No, there is just Babylon. Spelling isn't important. Babel (the tower of) is also Babylon.

But where, exactly, in Revelation, do you find that? Can you post the verse(s) for me?
Please, that is.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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I heard this in church awhile back that something about Babylon is bad and the revelations.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 04:14 PM
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Heres something

14:8 Another, a second angel, followed, saying, "Babylon the great has fallen, which has made all the nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her sexual immorality."


16:19 The great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.


17:5 And on her forehead a name was written, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and she has become a habitation of demons, a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird!



18:10 standing far away for the fear of her torment, saying, 'Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For your judgment has come in one hour.'



18:21 A mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and cast it into the sea, saying, "Thus with violence will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down, and will be found no more at all.





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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 11:21 PM
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Religion comes from Babylon. This religion from Babylon has spread all over the world. It's purpose is to keep you from seeing that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God. Babylon is the origin point of Buddism, Hinduism, Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, Masonism etc. etc. etc. It is also the origin point of the Roman and Greek gods. All to keep you from seeing Jesus the Messiah.

Example...........Zeus the chief Greek god had relations with a mortal woman and had a son Herclules who was the savior of the world.

Sound familiar................all designed to keep you from seeing the truth.




posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Religion comes from Babylon. This religion from Babylon has spread all over the world. It's purpose is to keep you from seeing that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God. Babylon is the origin point of Buddism, Hinduism, Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, Masonism etc. etc. etc. It is also the origin point of the Roman and Greek gods. All to keep you from seeing Jesus the Messiah.

Example...........Zeus the chief Greek god had relations with a mortal woman and had a son Herclules who was the savior of the world.

Sound familiar................all designed to keep you from seeing the truth.



So Catholic is bad?



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 09:28 PM
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The jewish nation was invaded, and completely defeated by the babylonians. Their great temple was destroyed, their leaders and people were shackled and taken away across the known world to live in exile and slavery for generations.

Its perfectly understandable that the jews, especially at the times that the old testament books were written, should especially hate babylon.

Christians picked up on this, and babylon became a sort of code word for a great evil that is going to destroy the nation, and that practices an abhorent false religion.

When john's revelation was written, he had been exiled by the romans, and the christians were being persecuted by the romans, who practiced a idolatrous religion and were forcing it on them. So 'mystery babylon' was a coded reference to them. A roman wouldn't get it, because a roman didn't know about the old testament, or the jewish torah, or its importance for the early christians.

Also, because of prophecy, what happens in the old testament is an historical account of the past, AND a description of whats happening right now. So if the jews suffered under babylon, then the christians at the time would also be suffering under babylon, but for them babylon was rome.

Today, the radical christians beleive that babylon is either america, or the UN, or globalism and multiculturalism, etc.

Just get a couple of reggae albums and you'll get a feel for it.



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Religion comes from Babylon. This religion from Babylon has spread all over the world. It's purpose is to keep you from seeing that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God. Babylon is the origin point of Buddism, Hinduism, Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, Masonism etc. etc. etc. It is also the origin


So Catholic is bad?

No. And neither is Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, the greco-roman religions, etc. Masonry isn't a religion, so its inclusion is irrelvant.

Mormonism and Catholicism of course are religions that say that Jesus is Christ, son of god, lord and saviour. So its entirely contradictory to say that they are religions that take people away from christ.



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by wildcat


So Catholic is bad?



The Catholic religion as most religions came from Babylon.

They teach a religion of works. You have to be good enough to get to heaven. You might have to go to Purgitory because you weren't good enough. You are not taught salvation by grace through faith in Jesus the Messiah. You can't be good enough.

The Catholic religion came about when Constantine the Roman emperor backed the bishops of Rome and formed the church. The Romans could not kill the Christians so they merely told them they would quit killing them and took over. Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus the invincible sun. Which in case you don't know is Baal who is Satan.

Most of the things in the Catholic church come from Egypt. The goddess Isis, the false god Osiris and Horus the child savior. The sacraments, the communion host etc come from ancient Egypt.

The Catholic church is Mystery Babylon of the book of Revelation.

It's how Satan has deceived the world. So many people run around in blind ignorance and say things like Christianity came from Paganism. No Paganism was merged into Christianity to deceive the world. And it has worked.






posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan


No. And neither is Buddism, Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, the greco-roman religions, etc. Masonry isn't a religion, so its inclusion is irrelvant.

Mormonism and Catholicism of course are religions that say that Jesus is Christ, son of god, lord and saviour. So its entirely contradictory to say that they are religions that take people away from christ.


All of these come from Babylon.

You will find the sun, moon or stars in all of them. Look at a Mormon temple. Look at a Hindu temple. SUN MOON STARS.


And if you really look, you will find Masonism is a religion. See also sun moon stars.

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posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan


Today, the radical christians beleive that babylon is either america, or the UN, or globalism and multiculturalism, etc.



There is no such thing as a radical Christian.

Mystery Babylon is not America, the UN, or globalism. It is the church of Rome.



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
All of these come from Babylon.

Not a single one from the list came from babylon.

You will find the sun, moon or stars in all of them. Look at a Mormon temple. Look at a Hindu temple.SUN MOON STARS.

Notice also that the places that hindus and mormons habitate has...the sun moon and stars.

And if you really look, you will find Masonism is a religion. See also sun moon stars.

So, instead of masonry being made by a group of people that were just trying to get people to be more charitable, and who decided to use things from the world as symbols and metaphors, like the sun, the heavens, the moon, etc, instead of that, its really a group of minions of the devil, trying to get people to not beleive in jesus.
Right.
I mean, I can accept that there is a devil and he wants to lead people away from jesus and he's influenced people to create fake religions. But it doesn't make the least bit of sense to say that anything that it associated with the sun moon or stars must be a product of that. Nor does it make sense to say that hinduism leads people away from christ by use of the star moon and sun symbols. Hinduism, being another religion, leads people away from the christian religion on its own. Ig anything, the idea of a 'sun matrix of false religions' doesn't make sense, the devil wouldn't make all these false religions based upon the sun, and stemming from babylon, that'd be, well, obvious.

What would it matter what he made the false religions like anyway? He'd merely have to make a religion that isn't christianity, not a sun religion, nor spread it out from babylon.

And why aren't you including judaism in this list? The jews lead people away from christ also.
If you don't include the jews, you can't include the catholics and mormons and other christian sects, since, in the end, they all still tell people that christ is lord and people are saved through his sacrifice on the cross. It doesn't matter that they also tell people to be good people along the way. They are still saying to worship the Triune God and that salvation comes from jesus, even if its associated with a ritual administered via a preist.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Religion comes from Babylon.

Religion comes from men's imaginations, Sun Matrix. Cain was probably the first to imagine what would please God instead of just seeking to do as God requested.


This religion from Babylon has spread all over the world.

What's it called? Capitalism? NO, that can't be it - third world countries would be left out, wouldn't they? What religion is all over the world?


It's purpose is to keep you from seeing that Jesus is the Messiah sent by God.
I will offer a correction further down in my post on THAT comment.


Babylon is the origin point of Buddism, Hinduism, Catholicism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Mormonism, Masonism etc. etc. etc.

Let's see...
Buddhism started in China.
Hinduism started in India.
Catholicism started in the Roman Empire.
Islam originated in the Arabian Peninsula.
Zoroastrianism was from Persia/Iran, wasn't it - derived from Mithraism?
Taosim also came from China.
Mormonism is from the good old US of A - you KNOW that!
Masonry - is that even a religion? It began with ancient stone-worker guilds -more like something related to Labor Unions that religion, I would think...


It is also the origin point of the Roman and Greek gods.

Roman Gods came from Rome.
Greek Gods came from Greece!
It's really not that hard to figure out if you take your time, Sun!


All to keep you from seeing Jesus the Messiah.

Do you see Him? Where is He? Maybe it is working, then?!?!



Example...........Zeus the chief Greek god had relations with a mortal woman and had a son Herclules who was the savior of the world.

Guess what - that happened in the bible, too - sons of gods and daughters of men had hybrid children....and surely those were ancestors to us all!


Sound familiar................all designed to keep you from seeing the truth.

See WHAT truth? I don't see that you've presented any truth here AT ALL!

You wanna know about the mystery of Babylon? I will be back with the whole story just for you, Sun Matrix.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 03:40 AM
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The mystery of the Whore of Babylon is that she is Christ's redeemed bride - John wondered in admiration because he saw how she had been cleansed and purified by the love and actions of her husband! She is the same who is clothed with the 12 stars and give birth to the 'man child' and she is the bright a pure shining white New Jerusalem which comes from above.

All one in the same.

First of all: think of the LORD as one man and think of Zion/Israel as one woman (the Earth) – his first wife – the wife of His youth.

Now, remember, in the OT, our LORD was quite the jealous husband:

So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy. Zechariah 1:14


Throughout the OT there was much marital strife – seems Zion was never home and the pots were always cold! She had the smell of other altars all about her and gained the reputation as one who would supposedly lay with anyone – not for pay but for free!

God is of course a lawful man all the time – He appealed to His own law given to Moses to solve this issue. The law of proving the innocence or guilt of an idolatrous woman:

Numbers 5:11-28

According to the law in Numbers, bitter water was to be given the woman in question to drink. We find that very thing represented symbolically in Revelation 8:11:

And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


But the ‘dragon’ helped the woman by drinking that water – this water was the water of her judgments and was a cup of wrath.
Revelation 16:17-19

Two key phrases in that passage. #1 ‘It is done.’

When Christ was on the cross, they gave Him bitter water (vinegar with gall) to drink; after this he said, ‘It is finished.’

Remember in the garden the night before – His prayer was that God take that cup from Him….

#2 Key phrase:
‘and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.’

Now, remember how they dressed Christ up before His flogging – in order to ridicule Him! A purple robe – if you’ve never thought about it before, it is an obvious parody of the whore of Babylon’s purple robe.

Paul teaches that a husband should be loyal and steadfast toward his wife in ALL things:


Ephesians 5
~23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
~24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
~25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
~26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
~27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
~28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
~29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
~30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
~31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
~32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
~33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


Christ drank that cup of wrath so that she could be redeemed - His was faithful to his wife just as she was faithful to him - no matter how humiliated and chastised in the OT, she took her just punishments (read Jeremiah 3) and waited patiently to be forgiven (or possibly stoned and killed, it would seem)...

She has a child and there is a name written on the thigh of the last white horse rider - obviously she passed her test of wormwood bitter waters! So then she was judged worthy to drink the blood of the martyrs and the saints (which, from what Christ said, was the elixir of salvation - and in Leviticus it is written that the life of the soul is in the blood - she was given the honor of being the vehicle which provided for the resurrection of the saints - they lived through her because she then had their blood in her (and their memories and wisdom, too).

Now, minus the fornication, something made her suspect for 'whoring around.' Well, that is an easy one - she loved all the people in the world freely and without expectation or receiving any sort of gain. She allowed all that were idolatrous to 'come into her' because when she was let back in God's good graces, all those with her would be accepted, too! She made sure no one was left out - even if it meant her reputation (temporarily) and living many years without her beloved husband.

And because of that all the kindreds of the Earth saw the salvation of the LORD - they were all in her! She deserved the white linen for her purity - both sexually as proven by the test from Numbers and also spiritually - for her only thoughts were love - regardless if misdirected, she was proven faithful to her husband and then it became clear that all she sought to do was love others!

God tore down the old city (the old age the spoiled society) but provides a replacement - ( a new and shining city in a new age) - and while the second is called Jerusalem is not a direct reference to the city but rather a reference to the way of life which it will bring - peace!

God never once said He was going to destroy the kingdom of Babylon - just purge it and clean it in order to restore it. Nebuchadnezzar was restored His kingdom in all its glory after 7 days, remember? After He realized God was THE Boss? And the false prophet Hananiah lost his life for assuming that Neb's yoke would be broken off the people in two years - God said He was a false prophet! Why? Because God never said that - God intends to restore Babylon with her new name (Jerusalem) and her new improved cleanliness (is next to godliness) - He vowed to Zerubbabel (stranger out of Babylon) that Zerubbabel would serve as plumbline and would finish the structure by applying the 'capstone.'

The builders of the tower of Babel wanted to make a 'name for themselves' - not what God wanted - so the tower (city) was overthrown! But 7000 + or - years later, now that God decided He wants that tower rebuilt under His name, you better believe that all He's said will come to be. And that includes Zerubbabel who is the second and returning Messiah - the presence of our LORD and the son of Man and the Whore of Babylon!



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by queenannie38

Buddhism started in China.
Hinduism started in India.


Actually they both started in India. Buddhism started in the Northern India area and the Kashmir Pakistan area. It is a spin off from Hinduism, much like Christianity is from Judaism. If you keep this in mind when comparing them you'll see what I mean.



posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 04:40 AM
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old Annie still fighting with the 'Idol' worshipping 'sun'
omgosh ! lol.....

ok, 'Penelopeee' let me look at ur new 'blog'...


boy/girl was that 'book' made for u to 'fight' about, well the 'real' show passes by !

seems the word 'babylon' in bible 'circles' means Hell !

Lolove n u know the 'drill'... ave maria ! Infinity

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posted on Nov, 16 2006 @ 04:41 AM
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Thank you for the info, Runetang - I did some lighthearted checking but thought I knew where buddhism came from!

Peace!



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