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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
American taxes are being used to wage war in the ME, the arms manufacturers of America are making billions, but who personally makes the money, its not the little people is it, I'm sure none of you have had a tax rebate from all the profit that has been made out this war.


I'm not sure if it affects the premise of your thread (since I'm not entirely sure yet what the premise is!
), but around 80% of the shares of most publically traded aerospace/defence companies are owned by instututions/mutual funds. Therefore it's the regular person, building up thier savings/IRAs/pensions, who benefit financially if the defence companies make huge profits.




posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by nowthenlookhere

Originally posted by magicmushroom
American taxes are being used to wage war in the ME, the arms manufacturers of America are making billions, but who personally makes the money, its not the little people is it, I'm sure none of you have had a tax rebate from all the profit that has been made out this war.


I'm not sure if it affects the premise of your thread (since I'm not entirely sure yet what the premise is!
), but around 80% of the shares of most publically traded aerospace/defence companies are owned by instututions/mutual funds. Therefore it's the regular person, building up thier savings/IRAs/pensions, who benefit financially if the defence companies make huge profits.







You must look at the larger picture. The ones in control are the ones that control the monetary supply. Look higher, look at the sharholders of the federal reserve system not the shareholders of individual companies. It is these share holders that are stealing our country from us. The sad part is that as fat lazy americans we just bend over and continue to take it.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
Thank you all for taking the time to read and reply. This is not a game but I have noticed in many replies on ATS just how many are not aware of whats going on. Many do and have the right line of thinking but others need to be made aware before its to late, before America becomes another casulty of the parasites ambitions.

Stingray, Orangetom you are very close, but its a case of whom, who has the control.

Laiguana, the conditions are real, the fact that you cannot see it shows how good the parasite is in hiding its ambitions.

tdaniece, the media plays a very very big part in this.

Apex, Communism has already failed to stop it and the Chinese dont realise its there already.

The question is who controls, the media, who controls the money, who forments war to make money, but to also eliminate potential and real enemies. Who historicaly has done this.




This "Parasite" has existed since before the Roman Empire...IN the form of the money lenders. Over the centurys they have been in the buisness of getting governments...even royalty into thier debt and then running these nations from behind the scenes and for thier purposes. I say this even to the point of gettting these nations to use thier armys and navys to fight wars for them and accquire new
territorys.
Over the centurys this "Parasite has found it necessary to operate under the guise of religion. I say religion because of the need over time to debauch the currency of many of its host nations to the point of "Unjust weights and Measures". Then when the nations being run collapse they move on to another nation and have already established their position in the new nation.
THe key is finding out the name and god of "Unjust weights and measures."
Moneys historically have always been of a just weight and measure of some substance. Never recipts printed on paper or in a computer.

A nation in which the currency has been debauched is one in which the government will eventually fall...always. A new government takes its place and usually much worse than the previous and a continuation of the olde fleecing systems...usually some variation of feudalism under different guises.

Since the technological age..this parasite has used technological know how to further its aims and often keeping one nation at war with another...but faster than in times past. This is also done by spreading confusion among the public. This is the clear function of the media. To help maintain this control for the governors over the governed. The Governors obviously work for the "Parasites." Control of the education system also makes a public mallliable, predictable, and controllable. This is especially true in a nation brought up on goodies and emotional fullfillment as the definition of life itself. THeir emotions remain at a very juvenile and undeveloped nature. This is obvious when one looks around at the number of people who define themselves by what they consume not by what they know...or can define about the world around them ....other than in consumer goodies, movies and sports drivel.

Look around you at the juvenile nature of the election/re election mechanisms at work. The cheap emotional fear tactics used openly and without shame by both political parties here in America. This is a noticable trend in the last 30 years ..this detioration in the political machine indicating that both partys are in on it...and controlled by this "Parasite." Notice the media in on it as they shill for thier respective partys. The media is controlled by the "Parasite."
Notice Hollywood sleeping with politicians too. Not accidental.
Notice the default setting that California and especially Hollywood ..and New York..especially the City....represent all of America..nothing else counts. IF you want to know what is American just look at only these two places. This dumbness is carefully cultivated in our minds.. and deliberately.
How many of us are so dumb we define what we know or think by some movie we have seen. We have no real original experiences of our own..only vicarious second hand movie experiences. This is not thinking or analyzing ..it is seduction by a "Parasite" to keep you in control. Television and radio are little different.

This method of control stems from a religion and dogma. It is one mostly undefined by our current educational non standards. It is also very ancient and cannot be detected in our records of history outside of a very narrow band of thinking mostly omitted from public schooling. And it is "Parasitical" in nature.
It is sometimes Chameleon like. Changing forms but always a "Parasite" until the host is devoured and they make arrangements to move on...leaving the host foundering in thier wake.

Learn to define the religion of "Unjust Weights and Measures" learn to define the seduction which must go along with this system of confusion. The God of confusion and Unjust weights and measures. This is the source/fruit/fingerprint of this "Parasite."

Religion is and always will be the most powerful political force ..ever. Pervert the religion and you pervert the whole system. But you must stay several steps ahead of the host nations/peoples in this parasitical practice. If the host must never learn the process of shining Light on the Parasite. Learn to spot a counterfit. Beware of certain logic and reason. It is faulty and counterfit in its nature.

You are looking for the counterfitter here.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:23 AM
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I've seen that some have gotten the point right on, and that some have totally missed it. And I've also noticed that lots of members just want answers and are not willing to look for them themselves. What MM is doing here is a great thing, because if you just get an answer it will never sink as deep as if you figure out the answer by yourself.

Don't go waiting on an answer as if you're always depending on an oracle. Because you probably will never understand it that way. Answers are there for you to look for with questions. In fact the question by itself is usually much more important than the answer. You have the brains... Use them for your benefit. My guess is that MM did that for himself.

The answer has been mentioned here on ATS a TRILLION times already before MM made his post. Yet most members were still ignorant of the answer as seen here.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:28 AM
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magicmushroom, just come out and say it. You stink of a Jew hater. Are you afraid to voice your anti-jewism?

This thread is not educational, eye or mind opening. Just stick to this page if you don't have the confidence or
the resolve to state your opinion and stand by it.
grow up



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:29 AM
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You're missing the point, nextguyinline. This is not about Jews...



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by MasterJedi
Whelp I guess I'll give you a few more points and post yet another response.

I think you are misguided in thinking its a parasite, its more of a symbiotic relationship. It has helped us to become the most powerful nation on the planet. It has given us the most comfort that man has ever enjoyed. Of course its making us less intelligent and blinding us to whats really going on, but thats a small price to pay. As long as we got Monday night football and microwave pizza, it can have total global domination.

As far as it moving on... why should it need to, it has all the things necessary to sit back and gourge on us for a long time to come.

But since you insist on playing your games, I could be wrong and never know it. Luckily ignorance is bliss =)


One of the reasons I never watch sports is precisely this. I dont need to be entertained and amused by such drivel and control mechanisms. I already have enough of them on my shoulders. I dont need or want more.

I dont want to be amused as such ..I want to be mused..

Amuse...

A-without Muse-thinking

without thinking-Amuse or Amusement.

this is what so many are conditioned to do to avoid thinking. Be amused. Some are so far gone that amusement and the cult of amusement is mostly the definition of their lifestyle..or life itself to them.

Good point of yours on Pizza and Monday night football...television etc..

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:34 AM
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I think I got the point Bandit. Did magic u2u you the answer?

On this site, and a few that were in that google page, there is only one group of people who control the money in the world; whom does the lending and interesting. It's not eskimos!



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by nextguyinline
magicmushroom, just come out and say it. You stink of a Jew hater. Are you afraid to voice your anti-jewism?

This thread is not educational, eye or mind opening. Just stick to this page if you don't have the confidence or
the resolve to state your opinion and stand by it.
grow up





You are way off the mark..public education fingerprint is showing here.

For public education fingerprint you can substitute television/emotional education.

I'm afraid you have alot of growing up to do Bandit. The Kabbalists have you hook line and sinker.

Orangetom



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:42 AM
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Has magic u2u'd YOU the answer too?

You meant to tell me to grow up, not Bandit, better edit that.

Since three of you now know what magic was talking about, please fill us in.

I'm starting to think that maybe you guys are talking about Invisible Irish Fairies that are in cahoots with the gremlins to bring down nations.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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MM would tell us if he could, but it would seem he feels that society doesn't allow us to think in such a way as he does, or perhaps he fears getting thrown into prison.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999


Religion is and always will be the most powerful political force ..ever.


That is completely inaccurate.
The burning thirst for wealth and power over others is what has always been the most powerful motivating force in trying have control over peoples, cultures, and nations.

Things such as reliigion, ideologies, or racism have only been tools that they have used to try to achieve their goals. If you take one tool away from them they will simply replace it with another because the fire within them demands no less.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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MM,

I think these are lined up for people who talk about this topic sploid.com...



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by nextguyinline
Has magic u2u'd YOU the answer too?

You meant to tell me to grow up, not Bandit, better edit that.

Since three of you now know what magic was talking about, please fill us in.

I'm starting to think that maybe you guys are talking about Invisible Irish Fairies that are in cahoots with the gremlins to bring down nations.




I have known about this for over 20 years now. Events have just confirmed this knowlege as the years passed.

Yes I did tell you to grow up..and agreed with Bandit's premise.

The Hebrews did not seduce Rome and get them into debt to the point where they controlled the Roman government by deficit spending. IT was the Romans who conquered the Hebrews after 70 AD and General Titus with the sacking of Jerusalem and the Disaporia of these people...through out the world.
It is not the Jews...though the lack of information through public education would make many think this false premise.
The money lenders were at work long before the Hebrews became a nation. The Hebrews came into contact with this dogma of the moneylenders and the body politic in captivity in Babylon though it had been practiced in other nations which had variations of the Babylonian religion..from which originates the Talmud...which is the core doctirine of this religion....the Parasite. THe Talmud is not Hebrew in origin. It originates long before the Hebrew nation. The Kaballah..too is from this origin.
None of these are concepts one is likely to learn about in public school...for good reason...you must never learn to distinguish between Light and darkness. You must think them all the same and interchangable.

Those here on ATS who know this history do not buy into this stuff about the Jews being the origins of this moneylender buisness..they too have competition in this "Parasitical" relationship. They are a part of it but not the leader. THe core of this buisness is far removed from what you are attempting to describe and crediting to anti semitism. Anti Semitism is a cover deliberately used to keep us from seeing further and bickering over useless Placebos.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:12 AM
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Well now at least we're getting somewhere.

I never said I subscribed to Jewish Conspiracy. Public education does NOT make one believe that anyways. (where do you get that from?) To my knowledge, the first recorded money lenders were the Knights Templars. And they may even have control of Swedish Banks to this day.

So MM and you two are talking about BANKERS. If any of you had used that word in any post previous, we could be discussing bankers. Not figuring out what the hell you guys are talking about.

If I KNEW a truth, I would just say it. Not play some point gathering game of 'guess what I'm talking about?'



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by photobug
You must look at the larger picture. The ones in control are the ones that control the monetary supply. Look higher, look at the sharholders of the federal reserve system not the shareholders of individual companies. It is these share holders that are stealing our country from us. The sad part is that as fat lazy americans we just bend over and continue to take it.


I'm afraid it's you who is missing the wider picture. You are under the impression that the money supply is controlled by some hidden hand? That some entity or person(s) is nefariously "stealing" money from under your nose, via the banking system right?

Sorry to be presumptuous, but since everyone's talking in code on this thread, I have to be..

anyway, if that IS what this thread about, sorry guys, you all have a LOT to learn about capital markets modern economic theory. That's not surprising of course. Wall St, the City, in fact the financial services industry in general thrives of the ignorance of the general public in such matters. They make hefty commissions in exchange for relieving us of the need to make our own financial decisions. In fact I'd even go as far as to say that a good deal of the investing/financial information out there is actually designed to mislead and confuse... a scandal in itself, though not the one being alluded to in this thread I suspect!

So.. who REALLY controls the financial system? The answers is not nearly so exciting or mysterious as somew would have it.... The answer is US! We, collectively, through either action, or inaction, make up the market for all goods and services, incuding money itself. There IS no bigger force in the economic world than that.

Some people might find these links a suitable starting point.

Berkley Webcast Lectures : Econ 100B

[edit on 6-11-2006 by nowthenlookhere]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Senaden

Originally posted by orangetom1999


Religion is and always will be the most powerful political force ..ever.


That is completely inaccurate.
The burning thirst for wealth and power over others is what has always been the most powerful motivating force in trying have control over peoples, cultures, and nations.

Things such as reliigion, ideologies, or racism have only been tools that they have used to try to achieve their goals. If you take one tool away from them they will simply replace it with another because the fire within them demands no less.


What Magicmushroom is asking is what is the source of the fire within them..you stopped to soon. Keep going.

Thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:15 AM
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Orangetom, Thebandit, Your right on the money, my post was about getting people to think for themselves and to try and identify who it is who controls the masses. The problem with many people, and please this is not said to insult anyone, is that we are too easily controlled and sometimes with our own agreement.

Its obvious from some of the posts here that people are so switched off by the sytem that they demand an answer but do not wish to work it out for themselves. That is part of the process that controls us, do not questionthe system but just do as your required. If people could detach themselves from their own little worlds, worlds that have been created for them they would see whats really going on.

People who are aware can bring about change, people who are in the dark just stumble about with no direction. The parasite applies a financial/religeous system on a country and its people. In the past those who chose to be outside of this system were hunted down and destroyed. Countries that opposed the system found themselves engulfed in war and destruction. This same principal is being applied to Iraq and will be applied to those countries that oppose the parasitical regime. All who do not yield will be destroyed as have all of those who did not yield in the past.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:24 AM
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I want to play too,

In my hand I hold the one thing that will stop nation destroying parasites. It's obvious, it's in plain view, you can see it with your eyes. You can touch it, feel it, and smell it.
You all should all be able to figure out what I'm holding. You won't figure it out with public education, only the education that I've had that has allowed me to figure it out.

So get crackin'. What am I talking about? Your country depends on you figuring it out. You don't have much more time. HURRY!!!



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by nextguyinline
Well now at least we're getting somewhere.

I never said I subscribed to Jewish Conspiracy. Public education does NOT make one believe that anyways. (where do you get that from?) To my knowledge, the first recorded money lenders were the Knights Templars. And they may even have control of Swedish Banks to this day.

So MM and you two are talking about BANKERS. If any of you had used that word in any post previous, we could be discussing bankers. Not figuring out what the hell you guys are talking about.

If I KNEW a truth, I would just say it. Not play some point gathering game of 'guess what I'm talking about?'


YOu subscribed someone else to the Jewish Conspiracy. I never saw this in Magicmushrooms post at all. YOu assumed it was so and called it Anti Semitism.

THe Knights Templars were not the first moneylenders recorded. Usery is cautioned against and even prohibited in the Bible for the Hebrew people. This cannot be possible unless there were money lenders. Usery was practiced by the nations surrounding the nation of Israel. It is clear that these people ..the Hebrews were told not to do the things practiced by the other Heathen Nations...including usery. THey did it anyway..in spite of thier instructions from their God. They also did other abominations of the nations surrounding them.

This knowlege is obvious to those who can read past what passes for education today. The knowlege of what was going on in the nations surrounding the Ancient Nation of Israel is known. It is just not taught in public schools so as to put all systems on the same level. All thinking on the same level.
If the public actually knew the practices of many of these Ancient nations they would be shocked. This is why it is not taught in public schools ..nor the Bible either...embarrasing questions would be asked by people who can think outside the box of what passes for education today. They dont want Light on this knowlege.


Thanks,
Orangetom





 
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