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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
And the 4th seal says.." They (hades & death) were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword (weapons of war) famine,and plague(diesease),and by the wild beats of the earth (military vehicles???)
So..were are you getting billions of people? huh?
You have a good point about Africa and Asia. But I bet that's more than a fouth of the earth.
[edit on 15-12-2006 by Sun Matrix]
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Has the Anitchrist been revealed?
Has Russia and Iran attacked Israel?
Those seem strong points also. I would be happy to take your theory apart piece by piece if you wish.
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
Well just how would you know if the antichrist was revelaed? there been more then one anti-christ,over the past but if you mean the one who appears at the end times..then i dont know. who it is yet.i have my suspects...i think i said kissinger...but who knows and who cares..they all die anyway.
And about Israel...Im not any expert or anything but i recall hearing on the news,fox,cnn, one of the other that ..RUSSIA,was helping IRAN,and IRAN was helping HEZZBOLLAH attack ISRAEL.
Does anyone know if Judea was in harms way during the time hezzbollah and israel were fighting????
.because then this may tie in with what jesus said.."then let those in judea flee to the mountains"
I was also thinkng that maybe the 6th seal refrence to "stars fallen from heaven" could be talking about rockets that hezzbollah and israel were firing at each other?
What was the names of those rockets they had..wasnt one called star something? The ones iran gave hezzbollah?
Just wondering..Peace!!
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
Well just how would you know if the antichrist was revelaed? there been more then one anti-christ,over the past but if you mean the one who appears at the end times..then i dont know. who it is yet.i have my suspects...i think i said kissinger...but who knows and who cares..they all die anyway.
And about Israel...Im not any expert or anything but i recall hearing on the news,fox,cnn, one of the other that ..RUSSIA,was helping IRAN,and IRAN was helping HEZZBOLLAH attack ISRAEL.
Does anyone know if Judea was in harms way during the time hezzbollah and israel were fighting????
.because then this may tie in with what jesus said.."then let those in judea flee to the mountains"
I was also thinkng that maybe the 6th seal refrence to "stars fallen from heaven" could be talking about rockets that hezzbollah and israel were firing at each other?
What was the names of those rockets they had..wasnt one called star something? The ones iran gave hezzbollah?
Just wondering..Peace!!
When the Sixth seal is opened you will see the return of Christ and the beginning of the wrath at the opening of the 7th seal.
The rapture will occur prior to any seals being opened and the world will be in pandamonium and chaos. The alien story will then be used to cover up the rapture. The Antichrist will come to power and bring peace to the world with the release of the White Horse. The world will be at peace, complete peace.....the peace brought by the Antichrist. He will claim to be the Messiah and when the Jews don't accept him they will be hunted down and killed.
The Red Horse takes peace from the world. You can read about this in Ezekiel 38 and 39 and also Daniel 11 vs. 40.
Originally posted by reaganero
Pre-Tribber!
it won't be that easy. every christian is gonna have to stick around for the mark of the beast. we're gonna have roman like martyr times all over again. THEN the rapture.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by reaganero
Pre-Tribber!
it won't be that easy. every christian is gonna have to stick around for the mark of the beast. we're gonna have roman like martyr times all over again. THEN the rapture.
You should be experiencing a tribulation right now. We war not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities.
No, every Christian is not going to stick around. Every Gentile that misses the rapture has missed it and will believe the lie. Strong delusion will be sent.
The rapture is what brings the world to chaos and ushers in the Antichist. There are no aliens, that is merely what is used to blind the blind.
Originally posted by reaganero
i'm sick of people thinking rapture is such a get out of jail free card.
Luke21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
i mean re-read about the persecutions in revelations. WHO's being persecuted if the rapture's happened?
When the Sixth seal is opened you will see the return of Christ and the beginning of the wrath at the opening of the 7th seal.
The Red Horse takes peace from the world. You can read about this in Ezekiel 38 and 39 and also Daniel 11 vs. 40.
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
Sun Matrix
When the Sixth seal is opened you will see the return of Christ and the beginning of the wrath at the opening of the 7th seal.
Thats what ive been saying since like the 5th page of this thread..where have you been?
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
Its not the horse,its the person riding the horse,thats who takes peace from the earth,and that person was osama bin laden,terrorism is the way the peace was taken..even the war on terrorism.
Originally posted by TheSonOfMan
What is the real delusion? that they exsist? or dont they?
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by reaganero
i'm sick of people thinking rapture is such a get out of jail free card.
No offense but I'm kind of tired of those that don't understand the Word.
Although, i'd love it to be an escape, but it just doesn't make sense for god to speak of things to be warned of and not take them as truth for his people?
Talk to God about the escape thing.........It's his plan.
Luke21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
i mean re-read about the persecutions in revelations. WHO's being persecuted if the rapture's happened?
Whose being perecuted? The Jew.......the time of the Gentiles is over. Do you think God is interested in those that only serve him when they see the rapture? He will say to the Gentile with no oil in their lamp........I NEVER KNEW YOU. They are left behind for a reason and will stay behind. They will be given strong delusion that they believe the lie.
[edit on 15-12-2006 by Sun Matrix]
The delusion that God will send is the belief that the aliens have taken the raptured Christians. This is the lie that will be fed to the world after the rapture. The lie is already in place as you can surely notice.
The Gentiles that miss the rapture will believe the lie that the aliens have come. God is not interested in those that seek to serve him after they see the rapture. He is interested in those that serve him now.
Originally posted by Funkydung
The Gentiles that miss the rapture will believe the lie that the aliens have come. God is not interested in those that seek to serve him after they see the rapture. He is interested in those that serve him now.
i totally agree with this so how is it i am so off beliving that christ is not from this world? always willing to learn.....i hope i worded all of this right and you understand what im asking....
god warns of a mark of the beast and tells christians to look out for it. if all those who serve him NOW are raptured the warning is in vain. meaning...there's always a chance that there will be persecution just like there was in roman time. history repeats itself sooo much. just see the cycle.
[edit on 16-12-2006 by Funkydung]
Originally posted by reaganero
don't be so self righteous and egotistical to think that you alone have ended the "pre-tribulation / post" rapture debate with one verse.
Originally posted by Funkydung
hey sun. what is the purpose of this deception BEFORE the rapture? because humans already think that "aliens" are coming?
but because i belive that christ is not from this planet i am decived?
Originally posted by Funkydung
i really do want to get this right because there is no second chance. i respect your knowledge and wisdom because you are one of the few that actually have a clue about whats going on. i do seek and serve him now and always will because of the love he showed when he died for me
and also i see the lie that has been given to mankind (the sun matrix)...
i just dont understand how you cannot see that our savior will be coming from somewhere else other than this planet. according to the scriptures, this will happen.
i totally agree with this so how is it i am so off beliving that christ is not from this world? always willing to learn.....i hope i worded all of this right and you understand what im asking....