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posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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Why have none of the families and friends of passengers on flight 77 come out to say the phone calls they received never occurred?


Because noone never argued that they never occured. The THEORY was that they were faked becuase of all the peculiarites such as: "mom, this is MARK BINGHAM"



Where did all the passengers go?


Well, in operation northwoods, under the part about shooting down a plane full of college kids, they said they would be taken back to a military base. One can only guess what a military willing to terrorize its own citizens would have done at that point.



Why hasn't anyone confessed to diverting flight 77 and executing the passengers?


This is laughable at best. People of the United States, I would like to inform you that i helped the US government Kill its own people as we perpetrated the biggest crime in US history. When i grew up, i lied through my teeth about stealing a cookie from the cookie jar long after i was busted.



WHY NOT JUST HIJACK A PLANE AND CRASH IT THE SAME WAY IT HAPPENED AT WTC1 and WTC2?!


Um...why not. Maybe they did or maybe they accesed the remote piloting that all planes were equipped with and did that without landing a plane. Maybe those were the real planes. All we have to go with is speculative theory like all NIST has is speculative theory based on the information thats given.



Why aren't Dylan Avery, Jim Fetzer and Alex Jones dead yet?


If you kill them, that promotes the conspiracy. Instead make them out to be nutjobs, which none of them are, just people with questions, like you....however, their questions aren't selfish.



Why would Popular Mechanics help cover up government involvement in 9/11?


Helping cover up implies they know it was the US government. They don't they just are defending the official story. Why on earth would the US government say, Hey I know you know we did it, would you help us cover it up.



Why would PBS Nova create a documentary about the towers falling that didn't detail anything about bombs or thermite?


They based it on the current theory from NIST. It was the best information at the time, until the conpiracy theorists disproved it sending NIST back to the proverbial drawing board.



Why would everyone at NIST help the government cover up mass-murder?


Why would the government tell NIST it was an inside job. They cant cover up if they arent in the know. They weren't told to investigate explosives, if they were they would have tested the steel for traces of explosive residue, instead the steel was shipped to china. They only came up with the best explanation given the information they had at the time.



Why doesn't every respectable structural engineer in the world believe the towers were brought down by demolitions?


I need a source for this....i have no idea how your logic lead you to believe that "every respectable structural engineer". I assume if they are an intelligent engineer that disagrees, as many out there do, they are not respectable in your eyes?



Why doesn't the number one demolition company in the world believe the conspiracy?


Perhaps because they don't care who did it, as long as they get the contracts. They proably assumed the planes brought down the tower, went and did their jobs and asked no questions....CHECK PLEASE UNCLE SAM.



Why would the lowest ranks of the CIA and FBI help cover up government mass murder?


Why would you involve the lowest ranks of the CIA and FBI be informed? Noone ever thought they were. I wouldn't tell them. but im just a peon though. Many from the CIA and FBI however have screamed INSIDE JOB, look at RAY MCGOVERN.




posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Why would The American Society of Civil Engineers have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible?


Same way Jim Fetzer had peer reviewed papers saying it is possible.



Why would everyone at NORAD help cover up mass murder by the government?


Who in NORAD needed to know. None. They were basically told to stand down and did theyre job. I dont know what your reading, but NORAD never did any covering up of anything.



Why would the FAA confirm the existence of planes that apparently never existed?


Again, what are you reading that said they never exsisted, if you're referring to the HOLOGRAM bull crap, that was some guy who saw a picture of a moving plane frozen between two clips given the appearance that it was invisible at parts. This isn't even a 911truthers argument. Those planes exsisted alright, the government needed them to exsist to start their Terror War.



Why would the Silverstein group who get together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money? Considering the fact Silverstein has lost millions due to 9/11.


I need your source for this. He probably did it because he was gonna get paid billions for buildings he leased for 6 months.
www.construction.com...
Silverstein though losing his first case that the two planes constituted two seperate attacks, appealed and won ultimately winning 2.2 Billion, and he's still pursuing more...an addittional 2.4 billion. He must have been in one hell of a debt to end up broke after 4.6 billion dollars. HAHAHA.



Why would American Airlines co-operate with the government killing its employee's?
Why would United Airlines do the same?


Why do you assume that everyone questioned in the 911 commission reports was in the know???? Why would AA and UA ever be told. To answer your question they wouldn't.



Why haven't the scientists who developed remote plane technology come out to say the planes were clearly remotely controlled?


You mean the guys from Ratheon? oh yeah, 5 of them that developed that technology were on the doomed flights and died on 911. FIVE employees from ONE company on THREE of the FOUR planes. I don't think even AMWAY had that many employees on planes that day let alone the four doomed ones. Maybe thats why. Or maybe because the work for the government on TOP SECRET projects, or maybe because, there isn't any way to visibly tell if the planes were remotely controlled.



Why haven't the people who placed remote controlled devices into these planes come out?


because several years back, ALL planes were equipped with this technology as the standard BEFORE 911. I believe it was in case of HIJACKINGS.



Why has no one come out saying that they placed explosives in either 3 of the towers that fell?


Because We the People, would kill them as soon as they admitted guilt. Speaking of which, why won't Marvin Bush and SecuriCON tell us what "cable company" needed to evacuate the WTC to do work and remove bomb sniffing dogs to install cables?



Why haven't the creators of these new magical explosives come out about their design and how it could



you mean thermite? Nothing magical, there is a documentary i watched, forget which one, that showes how shaped cutter charges are placed on a 45degree angle so as to assist with the Implosion. like cutting down a tree, if you angle the charge, you control which way it falls.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 07:18 PM
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For some reason your opening thread is too long, and every time i try to answer the lower questions it erases everything past 4000 characters. I would but i cant quote it.....with that being said, it only took me some common sense to answer your questions after you insulted our logic. Most of your questions are aimed at the nuttiest theories, and involve the whole world knowing prior and admitting guilt after words. This has been the biggest waste of time today, excluding Online Poker.
For your final question....however, "Why go through all the trouble to:"

Billons for Silverstein, Billions for Cheneys Companies, Billions for Bush Cronies, and and excuse to begin taking over the world. According to PNAC's own website, they desire to create a US hegemony over the world in which they are the sole legislature, enforcer and executer, or have you not noticed us setting up courts to try world leaders for crimes against humanity, when both our current president and his father are wanted for crimes against humanity by the UN.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 12:54 AM
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all of fungi's questions are brutally painful to even read. It needs to be narrowed down, even reworded or in some cases totally stricken from the record.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 10:33 AM
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I am going to offer an answer to EVERY ONE of your questions, tho I think I will be wasting my time because most of your questions are based on fallasies and distortions. It's going to take me some time to answer every question, so hold on.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 11:39 AM
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Good answers Pedro.

You pretty much answered the questions the same way I was going to.

As far as one of the questions goes about the insiders keeping it on the hush..

...how many of you have seen the movie: "The smartest guys in the room....the Enron story"? It's available at your nearby Blockbusters.

Check it out and you will see that greed has a big influence in keeping mouths mute for a period of time.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Drfungi:
Please show me where OBL actually admits the attacks,rather than just saying how great they were.
I mean a video clip where he says flat out that he planned it-not just how the US "deserved"it.
Then we can get a pashtun(or whatever he speaks)translator to verify your claims on ATS.
Then I really may take some of the other questions seriously.

How did Al qaeda make NORAD stand down BTW?

What did PNAC mean by "we need a new pearl harbour event?"

Why does the official story keep morphing?

So far I am far from convinced of the official story.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 03:47 PM
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The following questions are based on the false idea that no Boeing hit the Pentagon so I am going to address them together.


Originally posted by doctorfungi
Why did the US government declassify Operation North woods to the public if it had anything to do with 9/11?
Why hasn't anyone working at the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?
Why hasn't anyone in the general are of the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?
Why has no one from the local Gas Station and Hotel near the Pentagon come out to say the tapes they watched before they were confiscated showed something other than a 757?
Why is evidence of a 757 crash present at the Pentagon?
Who supposedly planted the evidence of a plane (including bodies of passengers)?
Why haven't they come out?
Why haven't any military personnel come out to say they fired a cruise missile at the Pentagon?
What makes who think anyone who killed innocent people at the Pentagon could live with that and keep the secret?
Why is there no evidence of a UAV or Cruise Missile at the Pentagon?
Why have none of the families and friends of passengers on flight 77 come out to say the phone calls they received never occurred?
Where did all the passengers go?
Why hasn't anyone confessed to diverting flight 77 and executing the passengers?
WHY NOT JUST HIJACK A PLANE AND CRASH IT THE SAME WAY IT HAPPENED AT WTC1 and WTC2?!

No serious 9/11 researcher actually believes the real perpetrators of 9/11 would be stupid enough to fly a tiny winy cruise missile in the middle of a populated city and pass it off as a BIG ASS Boeing and hope that nobody is going to notice the huge size discrepancy. The No Boeing in Pentagon theory is a straw man, a fake theory lauched and propagated to make the truth movement look stupid. It is easy to debate an argument when you simply misrepresent your opposition. In fact the Boeing really did hit the pentagon and the said passengers were most likely on board. An official document identified all but one passenger. But strangely enough, none of the terrorists were identified. As it turns out some of those same terrorists were found to be still alive after the fact and they proclaimed their innocence. Even the official story acknowledges that there might be mistakes and false identities. However, they seem bent on refusal to investigate the matter any further. What is really strange is that amongst the dead passengers, a large number of them appear to have rather strange connections to aircraft remote control capabilities as well as connections to Boeing and other rather strange connections. See this article or this article for more details. It goes even further. You remember the first publication of the list of passengers? They didn't include the terrorist names and when complaints were lodged, they lists of passengers of all 4 airplanes were edited and re-published to include them. It was explained that the media excluded the Arab names by respect to the victims. But I find it rather strange that the media had already decided, and this before the terrorist names had been released by the FBI, that all the Arab sounding names on board the planes were all terrorists.

The truth is there were no terrorists on board, they were all remote controlled to crash into the buildings. After all, even if you accept the official story of OBL's responsibility, wouldn't it be easier to remote control the airplanes instead of resting the whole operation on men with very poor piloting skills and men who might change their minds at the last minute?

The idea of No Boeing in the Pentagon is just like the idea of holograms and UFOs, it's all made up stuff aimed at making the truth movement look stupid: a straw man, nothing else. The government is feeding these fake theories by refusing to release the tapes of the crash and every time the mass media mentions the event of 9/11 being put into question, they always make sure to talk about the Pentagon/no Boeing idea ensuring that the people think it's our best evidence but in fact, it is the poorest of all evidences. They are yanking your chain and you are falling for it. Furthermore, they actually infiltrate the truth movement and inject it with lies and absurdities. When you hear things like "Barbie Olson found alive", "Missile in Pentagon" and "Holograms used on 9/11", that is not the work of serious researchers, that is the work of useful idiots and disinformation agents. But somehow, the media almost never mention the truth movement but when they do, they seem to only select the liars to represent us and never the serious researchers.

But if you decide you want to study the events of 9/11 without all the bull# like holograms and cruise missiles and UFOs and half-lizards in government there are plenty of serious information out there. And if you want to look at a few serious websites, here is one serious site where you might want to start. You can also try this one.
Instead of the dumb "Loose Change" movie which is a bunch of lies mixed in with a little bit of truth, you can view this serious documentary instead.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 03:48 PM
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Why aren't Dylan Avery, Jim Fetzer and Alex Jones dead yet?

Because they are not a threat. In fact, both Avery and Jones are doing the government's dirty work by promulgating the lies of no Boeing and the stupid idea of a pod under the planes when that has been exposed as an obvious lie a long time ago. Now, I don't know about Fetzer, what movie/website is he responsible for?
But anyway, if they decided to kill us all off, they would have to kill a good million of us and that would look really suspicious. Instead of killing us, they simply discredit us, misrepresent us and distort our claims to make us look stupid and insure nobody pays attention to us.

Now, I shall answer the next two questions together.

Why would Popular Mechanics help cover up government involvement in 9/11?
Why would PBS Nova create a documentary about the towers falling that didn't detail anything about bombs or thermite?


Like most North-Americans, you live under the delusion that the corporate mass media is fair and free to say what they want. One of the reasons why most people reject the idea of an inside job on 9/11 is because they don't understand how every single reporters in America is hiding this from them, therefore, they can't believe it even when pure simple logic hits them in the face.

But consider this: it is a little known fact that 95% of the American media is corporately owned by only 5 companies at the top. That's right, almost every single news papers, TV channels, magazines and radio stations in the USA are owned and controlled by only five guys at the top. Now, each and everyone of these media hires an editor, the editor's job is to ... well ... edit whatever is submitted to be published and this editor is given orders and directions every morning on what issues should be published, which position the paper is going to take today and what subject should be avoided. Ultimately, these directions to the editor are basically what shapes the information available to the public. Additionally, every journalist who works for that paper is actually hired by that paper so by selecting which journalist to hire and which journalist not to hire, the paper is effectively filtering the information available to the public. Each journalist knows what to write and what the editor wants and those who don't comply to those directions simply don't get hired.
But none of them is told to withhold the truth, an order to the editor is simply issued to "keep that conspiracy crap out of our paper, we don't need this in such a time of emergency". And of course, only reporters who agree on this get hired. So yes, there is freedom of speech but that freedom belongs to the corporate mass media, not to the individual reporter. They can try to jump out of the outlines set for them but good luck with finding a publisher. the editor follow orders and so do the journalists, those who don't just don't get the fat paycheck and the fat columns. You rarely see them and usually under a deceptive tittle between two escort ads in page 83 while the brain washing and lies are up front and center.

Then consider this: each and every corporate media depends heavily on government publicity money, they almost all receive ads to publish by the government so they are allowed to criticize the government a little so that they can look fair and balanced in the eye of the public but they never seriously question the government and never for too long and when they do, the conclusion is always distorted and askew. They also depend on government legislations and policies. And equally, the government depends on the mass media for it's image and for it's manipulation of the public.
This is basically why when Bush cut taxes to the rich all the while cutting social programs to the poor, the media was busy selling this travesty of justice to you as the "trickle down economy" and implying that somehow, giving money to the rich and cutting benefits to the average American was going to benefit us all. But ask yourself why not a single serious economist textbook mentions this trickle down economy concept.

Those 5 corporations mentioned above effectively have a huge amount of influence in Washington and with the special interest groups. These guys don't go for burger and beer with the average American joe, they go golfing with the powerful and the filthy rich .... those are the people they look after, not the average American joe. The little American journalist doesn't have a voice of his own, he caries the voice of those 5 corporation who pay his wages. If these 5 corporations see a profit or a benefit to them in the perpetual war ensuing 9/11, then that is the voice the lowly journalist will carry .... understand? It's about big money, big influences and the freedom of speech of those who can afford freedom of speech. But you probably have problems understanding what I am trying to say here so I have a little example for you.

Do you remember the Downing Street memo? That memo was issued during the period just before we attacked Iraq, when Bush and co. was trying to sell the war to Americans. The memo revealed by Tony Blair revealed that Bush was effectively fixing the intelligence (of the WMDs) around the policies (of attacking Iraq). In other words, Bush was faking and distorting the intel to attack Iraq. But you probably don't remember that memo because while it made big news in Europe it never saw any news coverage inside the USA. If the American people had learned that Saddam was not at all a danger to us, they would not have endorsed the war so it was never mentioned. But instead, during the same period of time, inside the USA, what do you think was making big news? I tell you what: Bush choking on a freakin' pretzel and Michael Jackson's trial.

Yup! Those are the headlines the corporate mass media chose to talk about instead of the Downing Street memo and still to this day most Americans don't even know that that memo is. The beauty of the American free press at work for ya, doing a fine job at keeping Americans clueless and ignorant! Of coure, there were some of the marginal outside independant media that discussed the Downing Street memo, but if the mass media didn't talk about it, the masses simply ignore it and refuse to believe it.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 03:49 PM
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Why would everyone at NIST help the government cover up mass-murder?

This is a really stupid question. Not EVERYONE AT NIST helped the government, but only those who were willing to be puppets of the official story were chosen to write the report ..... I think you are being simply narrow minded and distorting reality in the questioning.


Why doesn't every respectable structural engineer in the world believe the towers were brought down by demolitions?

Again, an other exaggeration, not every respectable engineer in the world believe that crap, but only those who do get heard on the media and if they believe such crap, it could very well be that they listen to the same corporate mass media as you do. I don't understand why it is you need the opinions of others in order to form our own, can't you think for yourself instead of having to wait for others to spoon feed you their so called expert opinions?


Why doesn't the number one demolition company in the world believe the conspiracy?

Which company would that be? Could it be Controlled Demolition Incorporated (aka.C.D.I.)?
Here's the answer to that question: It turns out CDI was paid to clean up the WTC complex and the Pentagon crash .... turns out CDI just happened to be in the area on 9/11 so conveniently, they were there fast and were able to remove the debris fast as to make sure it doesn't get investigated too much. I think CDI was also the ones responsible for rigging the twin towers and WTC7 with explosives prior to 9/11 .... how much can you count on them to tell you the strait talk?


Why would the lowest ranks of the CIA and FBI help cover up government mass murder?

Most workers just thought they were doing their jobs. For example, a friend of mine helped take away the debris of the WTC as a truck driver, does that mean he was implicated? Certainly not. Most agents at the low levels were told to secure the area and make sure nobody gets close for security reasons and a group of FBI agents were sent to pick-up and bring back every single video camera around the pentagon for future investigations but that doesn't mean they were all implicated. Surely some elements at the lower levels were implicated but not by far the majority. Most people think that 9/11 required thousand and thousands of implicated people, not so. A small group from Raytheon and Boeing is charged with installing the remote control devises in the four planes, an other small group is charged with placing bombs in the WTC and pentagon before the events while bomb sniffing dogs are pulled out of WTC and the part of the Pentagon to be hit just happens to be empty and undergoing renovations. And finally, an other small group is charged with taking remote control of the 4 airplanes and crash them in as planned. To make sure that they don't talk many of them are killed in the events of 9/11 and this insures that the rest of them will be scared senseless to even consider talking about it by fear of getting killed. The rest is handled by the complacent press owned and controlled by our proverbial 5 wise men at the top.

But let me rephrase you question so it better reflects reality and puts it inperspective: Why would the lowest ranks of the Mafia and the Hells Angels help cover up their crimes?


Why would The American Society of Civil Engineers have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible?

I've learned that not just because a document is signed by what appears to be so called experts and officials, it doesn't make that document true. If I show you a document that states the earth is flat and that document is signed and endorsed by so called reputable scientists, will you believe the said document? I don't know what document you are referring to but i guaranty you if you submit it to me, I will find some important flaws to it. But you will not believe me just because the mass media doesn't mention it and because it is endorsed by so called experts


Why would everyone at NORAD help cover up mass murder by the government?

See answer above. But anyhow, just in case someone was catching on, they had 5 different war games going on during 9/11 and all of those implicated airplanes and the such. So if someone was to catch up too fast, he/she would be told they are just confusing the real hijacked planes with the war games planes.


Why would the FAA confirm the existence of planes that apparently never existed?

All the planes existed, I think you've been reading too much crap about No Boeing and holograms conspiracy.
They were real, but only they were not controlled by terrorists, they were controlled remotely with the pilots either killed or incapacitated. Anyone telling you otherwise is either a useful idiot or a disinformation agent. There are also people who think it was all caused by flying pigs (seriously) but are you going to assume we are all that stupid and retarded? If so, I feel sorry for you.


Why would the Silverstein group who get together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money?

Duh! For money and political powers, did you read what you wrote?
In any case, this will answer your question: Larry "Lucky Larry" Silverstein


Considering the fact Silverstein has lost millions due to 9/11.

A few years ago, i dropped a helper at his place after a day's work, at that point, he asked me if I could lend him 20$ so he can eat tonight. I lent him 15$. Then I get home and I find out I have +/- 1000$ cash missing. Then I find out he stole my money in from of the security camera and he got caught on tape.
Next morning, I pick him up, not letting him guess what I know, the first thing he did when he got in the truck is ask me if I could buy him a coffee because he is broke again. Then I eventually grab him and put him up in a corner and accuse him but I don't tell him about the video. He explains that there is no way he could have stolen the money because he is broke, how could that be him?
Then I told him about the video and I beat the # out of him and I made him pay back every penny before I fired his ass without pay.

The story about him being broke was just so he could look innocent and not raise suspicions, I didn't fall for it, would you?
Silverstein would raise a lot of suspicions if he was to jump up and down and announce "I'm rich, I am frakin' rich from the WTC attacks" so he just lays low and pretends he is broke. Funny how you buy into that bullcrap!


Why would American Airlines co-operate with the government killing its employee's?
Why would United Airlines do the same?

Because those airlines profited from 9/11.
Let me show it to you this way. Imagine for a moment that you are a cashier at Wall-Mart. Your name is Cindy, you are poor and you are a single parent with a sick child that needs expensive medications to survive. You are good friends with the head cashier and you go for a coffee or a drink with her from time to time. She likes you and she tries to give you more hours to help your situation. Then there is the store manager, he knows your name and he knows you are a good cashier because the head cashier told him so. He says Hello to you every morning but you never had a coffee with him. Then there is the district manager, he comes to the store once or twice a year, the first time you meet him, you tell him your name, the second time you meet him, he doesn't remember you. He has thousands of cashiers in his district and he doesn't really care personally for any of them. Then there is the CEO and the head office of Wall-Mart, those guys have no idea who you are, they don't give a # about you and if they can replace you by a machine and earn an extra 10cents/day, they will gladly do so. Even it that means certain death to your kid. They don't know you, they don't know your kid and they don't care about either one of them. Their business is about making money and cutting costs, not caring about poor Cindy. They play golf with other filthy rich guys, they don't go for coffee with the pathetic looser Cindy and her pathetic looser kid. In fact, they don't even care about the store manager which is a lot more important to them, what makes you think they would care about you?

Your government and your airlines operate in the same manner, they make money, not a care for the little guy below. Only your government and your airlines are even further remote from you and still we keep living in this fantasy world where we think corporations and governments are there to care for us. That is such a stupid ignorant widespread belief. Might as well believe in Santa Claus!


Why haven't the scientists who developed remote plane technology come out to say the planes were clearly remotely controlled?

Because they all are scared senseless to end up in the same situation as their co-workers. See this article for more details.


Why haven't the people who placed remote controlled devices into these planes come out?

Cause they are dead, see answer above.


Why has no one come out saying that they placed explosives in either 3 of the towers that fell?


Again. see above. But even if they did come out, and some people have, they media would not pay attention to them so you would never find out about them and even if i told you, you would not believe me because your dear media didn't tell you therefore reality doesn't exist unless it's in the media.
"People should not expect the mass media to do investigative stories. That's the job of the 'fringe' media" --Ted Kopel

Now, as for the rest of your questions, they are downright stupid, you just keep repeating the same crap over and over. I will not engage any further in your futile chase of your tail.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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What? Did my posts seal the thread? Why is nobody posting anymore? Did my comments kill the thread?



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 03:08 PM
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Because noone never argued that they never occured. The THEORY was that they were faked becuase of all the peculiarites such as: "mom, this is MARK BINGHAM"


From Mark Bingham's mother...



Hoglan: Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, uh, strong, and level-headed, and, and strictly business. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham".





Who in NORAD needed to know. None. They were basically told to stand down and did theyre job. I dont know what your reading, but NORAD never did any covering up of anything


Not sure who started this malarky, but NORAD did not stand down. Try doing some research on sites other than conspiracy type sites.



I need your source for this. He probably did it because he was gonna get paid billions for buildings he leased for 6 months





Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority continue to be guided by a lease each signed six weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The lease stipulates that should the complex be destroyed, Silverstein must continue to pay the $120 million a year rent in order to maintain the right to rebuild. Mr. Silverstein has tried to persuade the Port Authority that his closely held company is capable of rebuilding while meeting its massive rent payments. The rent is currently being paid from insurance proceeds, draining the amount available for rebuilding.

www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Larry-Silverstein-WTC6dec04.htm





Even if he does find the tenants, Silverstein's methodical plan for development--one building at a time--has maddened his critics, convincing them that he simply does not have the cash to build out the site. The April agreement gives him about 60% of the $3.3 billion in public funding made available from Liberty Bonds to finish the site. He also has a $4.6 billion insurance settlement--it was ruled that the towers were hit by two separate attacks--although that is under appeal.


www.time.com...

Then there is this, for those that think he insured the buildings for billions, just to knock them down for the money....



In its court papers, Swiss Re shows how Silverstein first tried to buy just $1.5 billion in property damage and business-interruption coverage. When his lenders objected, he discussed buying a $5 billion policy. Ultimately, he settled on the $3.5 billion figure, which was less than the likely cost of rebuilding.


www.forbes.com...




How did Al qaeda make NORAD stand down BTW?


See above...didnt happen...



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 05:30 PM
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Why did the US government declassify Operation North woods to the public if it had anything to do with 9/11?

I believe it was a FOIA request.


Why hasn't anyone working at the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?

Um, if the were working at the Pent, how would they have seen what hit it?


Why hasn't anyone in the general are of the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?

Multiple witnesses have described something other than a 757 and who's to say the military didn't use any secret technology with the Pentagon attack?


Why has no one from the local Gas Station and Hotel near the Pentagon come out to say the tapes they watched before they were confiscated showed something other than a 757?

Have they came out and said it WAS a 757?


Why is evidence of a 757 crash present at the Pentagon?

If you were going to fake a plane crash, wouldn't you plant 757 debris?


Who supposedly planted the evidence of a plane (including bodies of passengers)?

I'd say the perps planted parts. Can you show me proof passenger bodies were found there other than just the FBI saying so?


Why haven't they come out?

Why would they?


Why haven't any military personnel come out to say they fired a cruise missile at the Pentagon?

Why would they?


What makes who think anyone who killed innocent people at the Pentagon could live with that and keep the secret?

They're evil.


Why is there no evidence of a UAV or Cruise Missile at the Pentagon?

Do those types of aircraft leave much debris after they crash? And didn't you see the immediate cleanup aftward?


Why have none of the families and friends of passengers on flight 77 come out to say the phone calls they received never occurred?

What???


Where did all the passengers go?

The perps haven't told us yet.


Why hasn't anyone confessed to diverting flight 77 and executing the passengers?

Again, why would they?

Was running out of characters, but your questions were, sorry to say, kind of stupid, so stopping here is fine.

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posted on Nov, 14 2006 @ 08:47 PM
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Kiltown, I really would like to talk with you. I can't send any u2u yet but can you please contact me at pepelapiu@msn.com

Thanx, Pepe



posted on Nov, 15 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by doctorfungiWhy did the US government declassify Operation North woods to the public if it had anything to do with 9/11?

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 12:25 AM
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Some of these questions are good and valid but the majority of them imply major logical fallacies.
At any rate, I'll give your pop quiz a go.


Originally posted by doctorfungi
Questions:

Why did the US government declassify Operation North woods to the public if it had anything to do with 9/11?


There is no direct connection between the two, other than the fact that they were both military psychological operations against the American public; the document is circumstantial evidence, often referenced to show that the US gov't has planned a massive psy-op targetting its own population in the past.


Originally posted by doctorfungi
Why hasn't anyone working at the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?


Rumsfeld himself said it was a missile, but the point is moot. The cruise missile scenario is speculation caused by the gov't secrecy in the matter and confiscation of video taped evidence. A better question to ask would be 'if a passenger jet hit the pentagon, why are they hiding the video tape evidence?'


Originally posted by doctorfungi
Why hasn't anyone in the general are of the Pentagon come out to say they saw a cruise missile/drone?


They figured no one would see it, and were right. They made sure the section that was hit was under renovation, so there were only a few people in the kill zone. Pentagon employees rarely look out the window anyway. They were fully prepared to detain any witnesses and, if necessary, neutralize them in the interest of national security.


Why has no one from the local Gas Station and Hotel near the Pentagon come out to say the tapes they watched before they were confiscated showed something other than a 757?


A better question is why were the tapes were confiscated in the first place.


Why is evidence of a 757 crash present at the Pentagon?

There is no solid proof that a 757 hit the pentagon, but its possible.


Who supposedly planted the evidence of a plane (including bodies of passengers)?

There were no passenger bodies planted at the pentagon wreckage. The DNA evidence was the result of some creative paperwork. The plane wreckage isn't even from a 757, so I doubt it was planted. Why plant evidence that doesn't match the official lie?


Why haven't they come out?

Why havent YOU come out?


Why haven't any military personnel come out to say they fired a cruise missile at the Pentagon?
Why are you so obsessed with the cruise missile theory? Oh that's right, because its one of the most insubstantial 9/11 conspiracy theories. You are simply diverting attention from the most damning evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.


What makes who think anyone who killed innocent people at the Pentagon could live with that and keep the secret?

Maybe YOU could tell us. How do you live with trying to keep the truth about 9/11 a secret?


Why is there no evidence of a UAV or Cruise Missile at the Pentagon?

Because it was confiscated by the FBI and hauled away underneath those blue tarps.


Why have none of the families and friends of passengers on flight 77 come out to say the phone calls they received never occurred?

Because the calls DID occur. However there is no way to know if the callers actually were who they said they were, and many of the calls sounded extremely suspicious.


Where did all the passengers go?
Moot point. Assuming the plane never crashed, the passengers would have been detained or neutralized.


Why hasn't anyone confessed to diverting flight 77 and executing the passengers?
Because they don't want to be 'silenced' or caught.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 12:26 AM
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WHY NOT JUST HIJACK A PLANE AND CRASH IT THE SAME WAY IT HAPPENED AT WTC1 and WTC2?!
Because the area of the pentagon they wanted to hit was impossible to hit with a 757.


Why aren't Dylan Avery, Jim Fetzer and Alex Jones dead yet?



Why would Popular Mechanics help cover up government involvement in 9/11?

What's so special about Popular Mechanics? Their 9/11 article was weak and full of fallacies.


Why would PBS Nova create a documentary about the towers falling that didn't detail anything about bombs or thermite?

The mainstream media's job is to propagate the official story. Anything about 9/11 that doesn't jive with the official story is officially a 'conspiracy theory'


Why would everyone at NIST help the government cover up mass-murder?

For the same reason that you are hiding the truth from yourself.


Why doesn't every respectable structural engineer in the world believe the towers were brought down by demolitions?

Because they either don't care enough to research the evidence, or they are too stupid. A friend of mine's dad is one of the brightest engineers in the world, and he believes the towers were demolished. Prior to doing some personal research on the matter, he had believed the official 'pancake' theory. Why? Because he saw it on TV!


Why doesn't the number one demolition company in the world believe the conspiracy?

Your questions are starting to become idiotic. Almost every one is a logical fallacy, which means you are an idiot. Moving on...


Why would the lowest ranks of the CIA and FBI help cover up government mass murder?

Simple. The lowest ranks of the CIA and the FBI weren't involved in the cover up. They are on a 'need to know' basis.


Why would The American Society of Civil Engineers have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible?

They wanted to voice their opinion.


Why would everyone at NORAD help cover up mass murder by the government?

Ever heard of compartmentalization? Not everyone at NORAD knows everything thats going on ALL the time, especially top secret gov't black ops.


Why would the FAA confirm the existence of planes that apparently never existed?

Planes that never existed? Get your facts straight.


Why would the Silverstein group who get together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money? Considering the fact Silverstein has lost millions due to 9/11.

Maybe he just wanted the property. The WTC had a crazy asbestos problem which would have cost several hundred million to fix.


Why would American Airlines co-operate with the government killing its employee's?

Money.


Why would United Airlines do the same?

Money.


Why haven't the scientists who developed remote plane technology come out to say the planes were clearly remotely controlled?

How would they be able to tell? This is a stupid question.


Why haven't the people who placed remote controlled devices into these planes come out?

Fear.


Why has no one come out saying that they placed explosives in either 3 of the towers that fell?

If you murder some one and get away with it... why would you turn yourself in?


Why haven't the creators of these new magical explosives come out about their design and how it could be incorporated into the WTC collapses?

The military industrial complex has technology you can't even imagine, and they have a serious penchant for blowing things up...


Why haven't people at 911 (emergency number) centres come forward saying they never received a call from a passenger on any of the flights?

Why do all your questions follow the exact same format?



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 12:27 AM
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Why didn't the Bush administration blame 9/11 on Iraqi terrorists instead?

This is an easy one. Bush wanted to hit Afghanistan first, THEN Iraq.


Why haven't any of the supposedly alive hijackers come out?

They have. What, you were expecting to see this on CNN?


Why didn't the US government kill them before the attack?

Because when you have such effective propaganda (mainstream media), you can afford to be a little bit slopy.


Why did Bin Laden admit to the attacks.

Why do you think he admitted to the attacks?


Why did other members of Al Qaeda admit to their role in the attacks.

Their only role was to take the blame.


Why hasn't a single person come out to say they worked with the government to pull off 9/11.

Because they are cowards and scoundrels! Besides, if they did, the media would black it out and the informant would be neutralized.


Why isn't Al Jazeera touching these theories?

They should be. This stuff is a gold mine!


Why aren't the democrats using this 'evidence' that the 9/11 truthies came up with against Bush?

Because the Democrats are pussies.


Why get so many people involved when you could just hire Bin Laden to do it?

Because at most, Bin Laden could only have crashed the two planes, killing a few hundred people. They needed something spectacular that people would remember for the rest of their lives and a sufficient body count to justify the soldier body count.


WHY go to the length of:
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When all you would have to do to reach the goals 9/11 deniers claim bush was trying to gain from 9/11.... is bomb a few trains and buses.


Bush isn't finished with his plans quite yet.



posted on Nov, 19 2006 @ 02:05 AM
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I want to thank you all for coming out! I think Dr. Fungi started this thread based on my thread I started, "9/11 - Unanswered Questions". You guys answered a lot of my questions! Now, I can go to bed, even more terrified than before! It was a great read though. I am a BIG believer that this WAS a cover-up. I guess the two things that strike me more than any are, "why did the wings, going into the Pentagon, just vaporize?" and "why did they find Flight 93's parts 10 miles away from the crash site?"....oh, and the cell calls from 20,000 feet kill me too......

Thanks again,

Conspiracy "NUTJOB"
TexasPike



posted on Nov, 21 2006 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by texaspike
I guess the two things that strike me more than any are, "why did the wings, going into the Pentagon, just vaporize?" and "why did they find Flight 93's parts 10 miles away from the crash site?"....oh, and the cell calls from 20,000 feet kill me too......

I think you saw Loose Change, I would seriously advise against that movie and any analysis based on that movie. It is extremely inaccurate and it lends itself to too many speculations, extrapolations and exaggerations. Dylan Avery might be popular right now, but he does not represent the truth movement in any way, he is nothing but an erected straw man.

I think you would do much better to watch these following two documentaries for more accurate answers. And if you really are interested in the events of 9/11, then you will really like these two documentaries:

The Great Conspiracy
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9/11 Mysteries
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