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Theory about Heaven and Hell

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posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 09:49 AM
Just out of curiosity. If Heaven and Hell are places of afterlife, well, after physical death anyways, and we are all destined to some place in heaven or hell based on our faith or works, or whatever(this is of course based on the you are going to heaven or hell idea). My question is this. Actually it's a couple of questions.

1. If Christ resurrected, in other words, He has a body of flesh and bone. How is it that He still lives in Heaven as most think or believe? Heaven is a place (supposedly) where the good Dead People go? Is Christ therefore dead? Hmmm... Did He unzip His body(cocoon pun there) and ascend to heaven as a Spirit?

2. On the opposite note, if Hell is designated for the damnation of those bad people who have died in their sins etc. Then how the hell(no pun intended) did Satan end up there if he has never lived, and never had a body of flesh and bone? Hmm....

Any theories? Anyone?

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 01:22 PM
1. His body was changed ... paul says it..

1cor 15
Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's. Just as we are now like Adam, the man of the earth, so we will someday be like Christ, the man from heaven.

What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These perishable bodies of ours are not able to live forever. But let me tell you a wonderful secret God has revealed to us. Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed.

It will happen in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, the Christians who have died will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die.

For our perishable earthly bodies must be transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die.

When this happens--when our perishable earthly bodies have been transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die--then at last the Scriptures will come true:
"Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?"

Part 2 coming later

[Edited on 6-11-2002 by Netchicken]

[Edited on 6-11-2002 by Netchicken]

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 02:39 PM
Yes his body did change. And Satan was a fallen angel named Lucifer who tried to rebel against God. So he and his followers were damned to Hell.

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 02:43 PM
True, Satan was never granted a body of flesh & blood...But he earned his place in hell for opposing God & falling from His Grace. He chose to be the Adversary of God. It's also been said that some of God's angels also followed Satan into hell because, by siding with Satan, they've also become God's Adversaries & therefore became Satan's demons.

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 03:10 PM
Don't forget that Hell was created only for Satan and the other fallen angels, not for humans. That is why Satan deceived Eve and caused man to fall - so he'd gain some leverage or at least cause God's favorite to suffer the same fate.
God had a plan, though, because He loved us so much, He sent His only begotten Son to die for us. That way, He did not break any spiritual law in giving us a way out of Hell. Because of the freedom of choice that we've had since Adam and Eve, we have a choice to accept or deny the gift of eternal life.

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 04:48 PM
Great TC but in actuality to we accept the present interpretation, the one provided by Vatican one, or what was evident in the days' of John (90AD). With by the way was a system of belief that accepted Reincarnation as valid. I mean is not internal life and salvation given to those and only those who get it right? Those who pick the actual system of belief Jesus actually was trying to promote?

the question I feel is relevant at this point TC is that is my God better than yours???

posted on Nov, 6 2002 @ 10:35 PM
I thought this link ( ) to be a pretty decent source about Hell & how it's modern-day "public knowledge" of it has gotten so far from the actual scriptures...

...I dare ya' to turn up your speaker volume as the homepage loads...

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 01:16 AM
For me Hell is a location where those who, because of there acts cannot face God. This because they failed to understand Gods intent, to a degree that are themselves so ashamed, they have to turn away from him (hide). This because what they have done makes it painful to be in his presence. God understands and makes possible such places where his attention is limited to the extent that others feel he is not present. This situation can and does lead to nonexistence and the final death.

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 01:21 AM
toltec, that was actual a pretty good explaination
of hell.


posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 02:31 AM
Hmm it doesn't describe it in the scriptures like that though now does it?

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posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 02:35 AM
Satan never lived.......? He has been alive for a looong time. He doesn't live in hell and neither do the fallen angels. They're free to go where ever they want to whether it's in space or right here and I heard they can even go to heaven for limited amouts of time. After all the angels have to fight somewhere...... Also when Satan talked to God about Job wouldn't he have went to heaven to talk to Him? When God asked him where he was Satan said that he came from walking to and fro in the world. As far as I know no one is in hell now but I wouldn't know for sure of course.......

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 02:53 AM
No, God communicates to Satan using the Emergency Washington-Moscow phone (for emergencies only)

And when they fight they do it in english pubs, where the protestant english wouldn't know that it was in fact Jesus fighting the devil, if it bit them in the ass.

And as for traveling through space, I actually saw them once with my telescope, they were riding these motocycles, they looked like harleys' but the wheels were made of fire and instead of exhaust it spewed a huge trail like a comet.

And I was at this brothel down the street, and I swear that the tunnel to heaven was behind the back currtain, I know it was I caught a glimps I'm sure I did.

And that's a cool webpage, especially the part that asks questions that not even devout religious nuts can answer...such as...

Why does god punish people just because they are born somewhere that's never heard of jesus? Why must they be born only to suffer eternal damnation?

Stuff like that....well I have the answer!

God IS Satan...he is a bi-polar psycho...creating one day, destroying the next.

God is messed up in the head because for infinity before creation, he sat around infinitely doing nothing and infinitely thinking nothing in the dark.

So one day he flipped, and created the universe, and now he is vengeful because he has wasted so much of his eternal life sitting around in a drug induced stooper.

That's why he has all those nuns...he wants everything we have, hence why somedays he wiggs out and becomes "satan" taking a trip to hell to whip those good souls who doubted his sanity. Then he flings the souls at already living people, possessing them to see what happens on his big screen tv. (another item the church handed to him, how you might ask? They crusified it and it ressurected to him)

He also doesn't accept gifts, he returned my fruit cake, I left it to him on the door step and a year later....It came back, and it was all rotten too...the least he could have done was kept it fresh.

And you have to watch out with the bible, for yes...IT IS THE WORD OF GOD...but it's hard to tell which god he is in what parts of the bible...I believe the old testament is his "satan" phase, and the new testament he's kinda mellow and all "yeah man...come to my's groovy, and has booze"...but of course it is predicted that very soon he's going to be pissed off again by our "earthly booze and sex" and the fact he can't get any, cause if he can rot out my fruit cake imagine what happens to those nuns

And so comes revelations...revelations reveal, is where the TRUE god is revealed to us, yes...the TRUE god. I say true because this is where he really wiggs out and becomes both of his personalities.

As Revelations ensues many angels will be bewildered as god insistantly punches his face and kicks his A$s while hurling fire and brimstone at an unsuspecting earth. Then at a moment when he's beaten down his Satan side...he'll ressurect us all as forgiveness for burying us in indominable ash. But as we are ascending to heaven he gets pissed that he has no more people to make him pornos and his satan side begins beating the crap out of his god side...and starts to throw meteors at the ascending souls...many will be knocked back to earth and they'll become the heathens living in a godless world, as god goes into a comatose psychotic episode, and retreats to a far corner of some black hole somewhere...

...This leaves the Angels to govern heaven in a somewhat democratic fasion, and after billions of years god's psychotic scar will fade from the universe, he'll go back to infinitely thinking and doing nothing in the darkness of a black hole, and we'll be free once more to simply live and be one with nature.

Ahh...I love happy endings...

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 04:32 AM
Where is Hell ? The place is not important.

It could be everywhere. Living in Hell, it's when you don't feel & see God.

And I believe in the reincarnation, otherwise, how to explain that somepeoples are rich, others poors, others allways sicks and others not.

If we have 1 chance, and not 2 or more, I don't understand why many have to suffer since they are born, and why others have a nice life. It's not fair, and God is fair.

And what for the dead-born babies, or those who are just living 1 day, 1 weeks, 1 month ???? They are pretty lucky, they will not commit any sins, and they will go straight to Heaven. It's looking fair ? I don't think so....

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 09:04 AM
I found that link from a website where I was researching the hoax about the "Drilling a hole to Hell" thing in Siberia (I think it was Siberia)...And they recorded screams & such coming from the hole...

As I was tracking down the actual *origin* of that story, I ran across the Hellpage link.

Hope you enjoyed it...

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 01:08 PM
A link ? Where ?

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 08:22 PM
Look up to one of my earlier posts in this thread...

MidnightDStroyer posted on 6-11-2002 at 22:35

The link is in parenthesis. Yes, it works when you click on it.

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 08:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken, isn't Lucifer also the name of the leader of the Illuminati? Hmmm.... OH FREEMASON!!

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 09:21 PM
I should point out that very few religions actually have a concept of heaven and hell. For MOST religions, everyone ends up in the afterlife.

Now that, to me, is the sign of a merciful deity. This business of sending a living creature's soul to hell for all eternity for minor transgressions made during the minute period of their existance just smacks of the demonic.

posted on Nov, 7 2002 @ 10:11 PM
Actually Byrd, this is where some denominations of the churches are *teaching it wrong*...

When a soul is consigned to Hell, it won't be for all eternity, it'll only be for a finite amount of time until the soul's *sins are burned up*, not the soul itself. Once the soul has payed the time set by God's judgment (Which is when the soul will no longer be *capable* of committing another sin), God will rescue the soul & take it to Heaven.

Here's something *else* that many churches teach wrongly: Once Hell is empty of souls (*Everyone* has been rescued from it) then God will eliminate Hell, Satan (If he hasn't honestly repented by then either...Not very likely to happen though) & all of Satan's demons will be eliminated with it.

Thank you God for giving me the ability to *not depend* on a single church or religion to confine me in my search for You. Amen!

posted on Nov, 8 2002 @ 01:11 AM

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

The link is in parenthesis. Yes, it works when you click on it.

Of course, if I have to click.....I didn't know it, sorry.

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