Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Do you have any idea how stupid the goverment sounded after they said the exact same thing about te Poles.
- There is no similarity.
Unlike on this occasion the British Gov did not attempt to limit the number of Poles (or any of the other nationals from the last expansion) coming to
the UK when Poland et al joined the EU.
That is so utterly unlike the situation now with the Bulgarians and Romanians.
It's true that they under-estimated the numbers who came but, as it turned out, so what?
What harm was there?
You are implying there was something negative about the numbers of Polish people that came......what are they supposed to have done that was so
negative and terrible?
There are umteen positive, quantifiable and factual effects to note thanks to their coming here but, as per, the negative is merely a nebulous
I don't think you'll find a single serious commentator that would say that the immigration to the UK, from the last wave of new entrant countries to
the EU was, on balance, harmful to the UK economy or culture.
BTW do you know how many went east to work in these emergent countries?
Many large European and international companies invested in these countries bringing thousands of workers east to manage and instruct new employees in
these emergent markets.
Many US companies operating in western Europe moved east once the doors opened taking managers, training staff and key skilled staff to the new
It does work both ways you know.
l don't want to get into a flamer war with you or any one else
- Don't worry, we don't do 'flame wars' here, try that and we'll probably be saying 'goodbyeeeee' in rapid order.
but I see a massive influx of romanians as a very unsettling and destabilising event for the UK.
- Maybe it would be and maybe it wouldn't. We shall see what happens.
But meanwhile I do see new British laws and pan-EU agreement to prevent a "massive influx", so I still don't see any sign of it in the making nor
any serious grounds to imagine that is a likely scenario.
FYI, I have worked along side Police services across the UK, and what i have seen and experienced of Romanians makes me very very wary of them
- ......and what?
A good pal of mine worked for almost 20yrs in the British Police and you should hear him sound off about the British
It's still all just sweeping generalisations and an absurd way to label and 'trash' a whole nation tho.
Quite obviously not something to take too seriously, in other words.
As for the daily mail, well if it doesn't suit your views thats fine
- Well if you really think the ex-Hitler-loving (remind them of that when they're doing their 'never trust/never forget!'
spiel.....'course they mean everybody else, not them
) Daily Mail is anything more than a disreputable, grotesquely partial and laughably
biased right-wing comic, feel free
don't worry, relax, you really don't have to be 'on the left' to get a good laugh at and appreciate their ridiculous daily pantomime act.
but hey, any one with the 12 stars of socialism in their avatars not going to like the mail are they ?
If you honestly believe 'the EU' is all about 'socialism' well that's your look out too.
I don't know what you imagine the term 'socialism' to actually mean
but it's pretty clear that if you think the sovereign nation states of the EU are 'socialist' in any real and meaningful way (with the singular
exception, perhaps, of Sweden.....and even that is highly debatable)
then I can only say that you really don't know what the definition of the term 'socialism' actually is.
If you'd care to show us a few examples of (any) economies where 'the workers hold collective ownership of all of, or ever the majority of, the
means of production' across even a few EU countries I'm all ears.
Paranoid? no. Talking from alot of personal experience? yes.
- What "personal experience"?
Nobody has a "personal experience" of this yet.
The Bulgarians and Romanians don't even join the EU until 2007, so, yes, I'd call that prefering or choosing to hold a speculative and groundless
fear = paranoia.
[edit on 3-11-2006 by sminkeypinkey]