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reply posted on 8-12-2006 @ 10:39 PM by Nygdan
Originally posted by Simulacra
what satisfaction do you get out of comparing the Kappa Sigma star and cresent to the 'Shiner symbol'?

Satisfaction? None really. I merely note that it in some ways looks like it. When the symbols used between occult groups are similar, it hints at a possible connection between the groups. Of course, thats a really weak hint, since a symbol might merely be popular.

The OES Symbol? You're wrong

I know its not the OES symbol, but whats intersting is that the OES star 'points down' or is 'upside down' because it is supposed to represent the Christmas star, pointing to the birth of jesus. The star in this KS symbol is also 'upside down'. SOme could speculate that it means they are satanic, others could speculate that its a reference to knowledge pointing 'the way', etc.




As far as secrets in general go, if a person swears on their honour to not tell a secret, and then does, short of having a rational reason (ie, its about a criminal case, or something other than idle discussion), then its a poor reflection on the person divulging the secrets. The rest of us, of course, are free to speculate. Also, the secrets, especially someting like an acronym, are really irrelevant, the only reaosn to keep them secret is because you've sworn on your honour not to tell anyone. THe frat hasn't been damaged by some guy, who's had a bad experience (in his opinion anyway) with the group, breaking oaths that he doesn't feel bound by. The only person 'damaged' by it is the person breaking their oaths. And since the whole thing is sort of silly anyway, I am sure that they're not too upset by it.

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reply posted on 10-4-2007 @ 10:01 PM by ryanatxp2002
As a past president of a thriving chapter of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, I am sorry to tell you that you are all terribly incorrect on almost everything you have said. ESPECIALLY "brothers" (who should be ashamed for pathetic attempts to divulge secrets of the order). I WILL tell you this: general members of the Fraternity who are/were not whole hearted TRUE brothers (like the guys whining about being kicked out for stupid reasons, ect ect) will not be able to tell you any information on the fraternity, since they were not active enough to learn the ritual and study it, let alone live it. If you were terminated as a brother, you were obviously not worthy.

An example of this would be the numerous "translations" of AEKDB, which you will NOT learn from anyone on this board. Even at face value, it means nothing. You learn this meaning over time. No one can read a literal translation and expect to know a secret. Our founders were not fools.

If you want to know about Kappa Sigma rituals, then pledge the damn fraternity. It has to do with respect. Nonetheless, even if you were to find some mysterious manuscript listing our "entire ritual" in it, you would be a complete fool to think you know everything about the order.

The "brothers" attempting to ramble on about ritual (that the obviously are beyond confused about) should be ashamed of themselves.

Take my word for this: you will not learn anything about the Kappa Sigma rituals without living through it. And to the person who claimed it is a "ritual that is over in 4 years", you couldn't be more wrong! The ignorance is almost laughable if it wasn't so disrespectful.

To my brother who took offense to the previous post and asked people to write nationals... I think a road trip is in order, if you know what I mean.

Incase there is any confusion, I will not answer any of your questions about the Kappa Sigma Ritual. If you have questions about becomming involved in starting a chapter, or are interested in becomming a pledge, I will surely point you in the right direction.

-Ryan PJ Mulholland
RyanPJMulholland@comcast.net
Past Grand Master 2005
Past Grand Master of Ceremonies 2004
Epsilon 51, April 13 2002.
A.Alumni Advisor to the GMC
Kappa Sigma, Xi-Rho Chapter.


reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 03:37 PM by tadxieta
Originally posted by ryanatxp2002
As a past president of a thriving chapter of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity, I am sorry to tell you that you are all terribly incorrect on almost everything you have said. ESPECIALLY "brothers" (who should be ashamed for pathetic attempts to divulge secrets of the order). I WILL tell you this: general members of the Fraternity who are/were not whole hearted TRUE brothers (like the guys whining about being kicked out for stupid reasons, ect ect) will not be able to tell you any information on the fraternity, since they were not active enough to learn the ritual and study it, let alone live it. If you were terminated as a brother, you were obviously not worthy.

An example of this would be the numerous "translations" of AEKDB, which you will NOT learn from anyone on this board. Even at face value, it means nothing. You learn this meaning over time. No one can read a literal translation and expect to know a secret. Our founders were not fools.

If you want to know about Kappa Sigma rituals, then pledge the damn fraternity. It has to do with respect. Nonetheless, even if you were to find some mysterious manuscript listing our "entire ritual" in it, you would be a complete fool to think you know everything about the order.

The "brothers" attempting to ramble on about ritual (that the obviously are beyond confused about) should be ashamed of themselves.

Take my word for this: you will not learn anything about the Kappa Sigma rituals without living through it. And to the person who claimed it is a "ritual that is over in 4 years", you couldn't be more wrong! The ignorance is almost laughable if it wasn't so disrespectful.

To my brother who took offense to the previous post and asked people to write nationals... I think a road trip is in order, if you know what I mean.

Incase there is any confusion, I will not answer any of your questions about the Kappa Sigma Ritual. If you have questions about becomming involved in starting a chapter, or are interested in becomming a pledge, I will surely point you in the right direction.

-Ryan PJ Mulholland
RyanPJMulholland@comcast.net
Past Grand Master 2005
Past Grand Master of Ceremonies 2004
Epsilon 51, April 13 2002.
A.Alumni Advisor to the GMC
Kappa Sigma, Xi-Rho Chapter.



reply posted on 17-4-2007 @ 04:21 PM by dr_strangecraft
I'm not Kappa Sig or any other college fraternity, but I'm a mason.

Interesting read. I was impressed that Nygdan didn't immediately assume that the "masonic ring" on ebay contains historic "masonic symbolism." If I saw a fellow wearing that, I'd think he was a poser/infiltrator/antimason . . . And it's been interesting how many "poser masons" I've met lately. They have a decal on their car, or a ring, and I ask them about it, and about what lodge they are in, and they don't know how to answer.

My main thought is about the Rep from Kappa Sig's reply. He mentions something along the lines of "those words are meaningless unless you've experienced the ritual."

I just want to add that, to someone who's never participated in a complicated ritual, you really can't appreciate the impact of study, on catching the implications hidden within a ritual.

For instance . . .

After I had just become a fellowcraft mason, I took up the hobby of photographing old Texas masonic lodge buildings and architecture. I was in a suburb of Dallas, and was standing outside a Masonic lodge building taking pictures of it from various angles. A guy came out, a bit confrontationally, and asked what I wanted. I told him that I was a "brother," and just collected pictures of such old buildings. He said they had trouble with vandals, but if I was a scholar or texas historian or something, I was welcome to come in.

he asked me if I was really a brother, and I said yes. I tried to give him "masonic signs." So he took me into the lodge room, and he and a couple of other fellows set things up for a certain point in the ritual. He said, "tell me the next word." The ritual is extremely long and complicated, and I just looked at him blankly. "Then you're not really a fellow craft yet, are you?" was his only response. "I guess not."

I kind of felt like, "gee, there are a bunch of guys in my lodge that couldn't do that either. They only come to meetings about once a year, if then. But on second thought, are they really masons?

It's sort of like some people will call themselves a hunter, when they haven't been in the woods in five years. Or "easter catholics" who don't know when to stand or sit during mass. Or folks who call themselves a christian, but don't know the Lord's prayer.

Since that time, I have been a guest during a stated meeting. I was asked to recite the "oath" that you can find on the web. Of course I couldn't remember all of it. So I said, "but I can tell you that if you say to me x, I'll ask you for y." and I was vouched for on the spot by the senior deacon.

In summary, real brothers keep (live by) their word. And they do more than memorize a handshake or a slogan. They have internalized the entire ritual. They can live by the password, and apply it in a crisis.

The rest are just onlookers and eavesdroppers.

.


reply posted on 18-4-2007 @ 02:46 AM by jaybirdg18
I enjoyed your response. I am currently an active member of a Kappa Sigma chapter and am about to become an alumni (since I am graduating from the university). I have heard some rumors about the similarity between masonry and kappa sig organizations and have become more interested in the subject as I become more ritual proficient. While I plan on maintaining complete confidentiality of our organizations secrets (and understand and applaud the fact that you will maintain yours), I would like to know how one can become a mason (among other simple questions). Do you have to be invited by a member, or must you simply attemp to join? I understand if you cannot answer this, but I would like to know since I am considering entering the masonry. Thanks.

By the way, I am truly ashamed that a chapter would even consider accepting candidates like those who have ATTEMPTED at divulging the organizations secrets on this website. It is not only representative of your personal attitude towards the fraternity, but it is a testiment to your quality of charachter as well. I'm sorry that you have a personal vendetta against the members in your chapter, but any decent human being would have the common manners of not TRYING to reveal something others consider sacred (even though your attempts were quite humerous). I suggest that if you want to "bust out" some secrets of an organization, you should have become more active and actually LEARNED the secrets first. However, this is one reason our secrets will always be protected... those who don't have the character and attitude required for membership in Kappa Sigma often don't have the mental ability to reveal some of the fraternity's sacred secrets. So, had you become a REAL Kappa Sig, this whole conversation wouldn't even be necessary (you would have learned to become a better man in all walks of life, including character and personal morality). Nice try though. Unfortunately, you only get a D for effort.

AEKDB


reply posted on 27-4-2007 @ 12:42 AM by Rev1297
This thread was a very interesting read.

I am a Kappa Sigma brother. I was in a financial situation similar to that of the one who didn't pay his dues. I was having a hard time coming up with the money, so I resigned my membership on good standings, but still remained a brother. After a talk with my GM of the chapter, I decided it would be best to part ways, so that I could pay my outstanding dues while not accumulating more debt to the chapter.
I parted on good terms with most of the chapter, but there were a few who chose to be real @$$holes about everything even after I payed my debt. I remained close friends with everyone else and they still to this day consider me a brother, as I do them.

The fact that a former EXPELLED member tried to divulge information is laughable. Because like others have said before me, they don't know the real meaning behind anything.

I am a second generation Kappa Sig, and still maintain in my heart the brotherhood and the experience I had in going through the ritual and performing the ritual for following pledge classes, as the best experiences of my life. There is nothing more fulfilling than taking a pledge brother through the experience, immediately following your own. And initiating my pledge son, was one of the proudest moments of my college career. Kappa Sigma Nationals (IMH) recognizes me as an alumni and I still take part when and wherever I can. The true meaning behind everything is a secret, that if divulged to the uninitiated, holds absolutely no meaning. But to those who have gone before, it means everything.

AEKDB
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