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reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 05:25 PM by KSigMason
reply to post by aludlandsyne


Actually the "STAR AND CRESCENT" is not emblematic of Satan. It's actually a dedicated to the Abrahamic religions as Kappa Sigma requires it's members to be a man of Faith.


reply posted on 13-9-2009 @ 11:30 PM by KSigMason
reply to post by Just Adam


I do love going to Grand Conclave. You meet so many people.



reply posted on 16-5-2010 @ 03:43 AM by Maximin LaMarque
Hello from a new Forum member! I stumbled across this thread looking for something totally unrelated to it but read all of it with great interest.

I was a Kappa Sigma pledge and hazed viciously till I depledged. I have physical and emotional scars from that experience that will never fade.

Years after depledging, I was initiated anyway. (Long story, and WAY too much to tell here.) I have served as Assistant Alumnus Advisor, Alumnus Advisor, president/director of an alumni chapter, and president/director of a chapter building association. I've attended 10 Grand Conclaves and 5 major leadership schools and events. Not bad for a beaten, bloodied, and abused former pledge!


I think I could make a pretty fair case for most of the points of view in the pages of comments preceding this one. I've seen the good, the bad, and the ugly of fraternities -- not just ours, but many others, through knowing many people associated with the NIC (which Kappa Sigma opted out of a few years back) and the AFA. These are North-American Interfraternity Conference and Association of Fraternal Advisors, respectively. The good has been pretty good, the bad often very bad, and the ugly, REALLY ugly.

I'm not big on fraternity secrecy because I have a large number of close non-fraternal friends, and I cannot imagine that our friendships would be any deeper or more special if we created our own code/handshake/etc., or somehow had such secrets passed down to us for our exclusive use. But ritualism and its secrecy is rather ancient. I minored in anthropology and learned that the use (or non-use) of ritualism can be as important in defining a culture as its discovery/invention of fire, the wheel, tools, etc.

It's also safe to say that the varying opinions expressed are the results of each writer's experience, be it with Kappa Sigma, other fraternities, etc. I am aware of the heavy borrowing of signs/words/symbols from Masonic & other traditions but it doesn't bother me. On the other hand, if I set up a new fraternity, I would do my best to be as original as I possibly could!

I collected a large number of secret works from other orders before I was initiated into Kappa Sigma and find some interesting, but most VERY dull. Many suffer from antiquated words and phrases. There is often a tradition to "keep the original stuff" that prevents updating, so you get stuck with something that sounded great 150 years ago, but odd or corny today.

I agree that the concepts represented by both the private and public parts of the literature of secret societies go far deeper than their texts. But that can be said of almost any published work. It's not black squiggles on the page, or the black dots on the music, or the paint on the canvas -- it's how you feel about it and respond to it that counts. I am ashamed of you who feel "Kappa Sigma is #1 and everyone else sucks." Do you say the same of people who aren't your religious, sexual, or political persuasion? Yeesh!

I can't blame non-members of any group from being curious about it, and perhaps the Internet culture that publishes others' secrets is doing them a favor and forcing them to re-examine whether it's good to keep secrets. We share helpful information about other subjects. Why attempt to claim exclusive/superior rights/knowledge about brotherhood, love, friendship?

I'll be interested to read responses to my little essay here (if any). In due course, I'll probably post my real name. The one I used is from French history and has nothing at all to do with Kappa Sigma. But I have a small host of rabid Brothers who will consider these remarks traitorous, and for now, I'd rather not have them e-mailing, telephoning, or picketing me.

I'll close by estimating that 50% of the material posted about our secrets is 100% wrong, 25% is 50-50, and the other 25% is 90-100% right. Oh, and -- EVERYONE -- learn to spell. Please. Pretty, pretty please!! Thanks!


reply posted on 15-6-2010 @ 12:08 AM by ziggy6894
reply to post by southern_cross3



I am a Blue Lodge Master Mason, 32nd dg SR Mason, Knight Templar via the York Rite.
I can assure you, the meanings of the symbols are simply overlooked by masons who want them to mean more than they do. Perhaps the meaning behind some of the initiations has been lost over time, but the symbols are simple representations to remind us of our obligation to be be upstanding and moral to all mankind. Each symbol is a basic reminder of ways this is to be done


reply posted on 15-6-2010 @ 12:21 AM by ziggy6894
reply to post by soundaddicted



I am a Kappa Sigma and I am a Freemason. I myself was disappointed to see that our entire ritual, even the historical aspect (with the exception of names and places being changed) was an exact copy of one of my Masonic degrees. It took very little research within my local lodge to discover that Stephen Alonzo Jackson was not only a Mason, but the director for a specific degree in his local lodge. Two years after being appointed director of said degree, KS had a ritual make over performed by Jackson. The word borrow truly is an understatement


reply posted on 28-9-2010 @ 05:13 AM by BrobbOM
Anybody that would reveal the secrets of the Kappa Sigma ritual never deserved to be a brother. I am the treasurer of my omicron mu chapter at the present time, and if you think that your dues are just paying for friends, then your treasurer sucked. The position does not exist just to count money. Every single member should know exactly where his dues are going. It pays for your liability insurance, and for your chapter to be assessed and represented at the leadership or conclave functions yearly. Our dues are very low, so we send off 60% of all of our dues straight to nationals, but I make sure to let the chapter know where the money they give me is going.

Kappa Sigma is supposed to recruit people with the potential to become good men, and help them build leadership and social skills. Basically, it's a safe haven for boys to become men with proper guidance. If your chapter is not doing this, it's no reason to be disgruntled, it's a reason to take up leadership positions and make the chapter better. If your chapter is a bunch of assholes that only want to party and bang sorority girls, and you understand that, you have an obligation to change your chapter for the better. This is what being a man is all about. It's going into life with a respect for obligations, and not being afraid to call people out who ignore their own.

Any person who leaves their chapter without understanding and fulfilling their obligations learned nothing worthwhile and wasted their money.



reply posted on 15-1-2011 @ 12:41 PM by hermosasurfer
reply to post by Maximin LaMarque



Hello ziggy6894....my situation is similar to yours....can we talk? hermosasurfer2000@yahoo.com

I'd appreciate your input on something.

AEKDB


reply posted on 15-1-2011 @ 12:50 PM by hermosasurfer
reply to post by Maximin LaMarque



PS to Ziggy...if you're concerned about the past, please feel free to post here rather than send to my e-mail. In short, my own de-pledging had to do with a matter of honor that split the House...I was initiated anyway by a subset of Brothers who felt that I had, in fact, acted in the more Brotherly fashion and felt compelled to do so. I was then active at 2 houses, but not associated with National. I'm interested in your subsequent activities.
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