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My Advice to The 9/11 CT'ers

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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 03:10 AM
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Like any conspiracy, the 9/11 theories have their strong points and their weak points. Based on my past three years of research I'll offer you guys some advice.

For starters I would like to point out that 3 years of heavy research has lead me to the belief that 9/11 conspiracy theories are false. I'll outline my theory here:

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On the morning of September 11, 2001 four civillian aircraft were hijacked by Al Quaeda operatives within the United States.

Two of these flights crashed into the World Trade Centers. Due to insufficient design to cop with the situation, both towers collapsed severley damaging WTC7 on their way down.

WTC collapsed due to heavy fires and damage later that evening.

A jet slammed into the Pentagon.

Flight 93 was shot down by NORAD to prevent further loss of life. This has been denied by the government for obvious reasons. And quite frankly I don't blame them for covering this up.

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That's my opinion. Now here's my advice to you:

Controlled Demolition Theories

Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up. The strongest counter-argument to this theory is that too many people would have to have been involved to pull this off. Especially on both towers. If someone comes out and says they were part of it - that would shatter that counter argument. Until then, you really haven't got anything solid.

The Pentagon Theory

The evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon is overwhelming. The missile theory has been debunked over and over. The fact you guys are still pushing it is seriously damaging to your argument.

It's not logical or practical and for this to have happened literally THOUSANDS of people would be assisting to cover it up. People in the buildings, people on the highways and people in nearby buildings ALL said they saw a plane. The government cannot possibly be shutting everyones mouth about this.

A plane hit the building. Even the Loose Change filmmakers slipped on this one. In the film they say:


Loose Change 2nd Edition
So what could blow a 16 foot hole in the outer ring of the Pentagon, smash through 9 feet of steel reinforced concrete and leave another 16 foot hole? A cruise missile.


Regardless of the fact the 16ft theory is uterrly false. The Loose Change kids just plainly said a missile hit the pentagon.

Now let's turn to the Loose Change vs Popular Mechanics debate. Where they are talking about the fact a plane didn't hit the pentagon. SECONDS later they say a plane hit the building.



www.democracynow.org.../09/11/1345203

Ms. Goodman, I'd just like to address the fact that they have claimed that they have 84 videos through a FOIA request pertaining to what did strike the Pentagon. But the bottom line is, nothing should have struck the Pentagon. We know through the 9/11 Commission testimony that Norman Mineta, the head of the Transportation Department, was in a bunker with Cheney prior to the Pentagon strike. Now, this is the only three-and-a-half minutes out of the hundreds of hours that’s been censored by C-SPAN. Why? Because he says he's in a bunker with Cheney, and an aide walks in and says, “Sir, the plane is 50 miles out. Sir, the plane is 30 miles out. Do the orders still stand?” Cheney snaps his head around and says, “Of course, the orders still stand.

By the time it was ten miles out, it was too late, and the Pentagon was struck.”


Despite the fact that Cheneys orders were to shoot the plane down, Loose Change filmmakers have just plainly admitted a plane hit the building. Not even they can agree on what exactly hit the building.

Holograms, Nukes and Aliens

These three things are so utterly stupid and impractical they are barely worth mentioning.

Hologram technology doesn't exist. And even if it does in some top secret labratory, it's not possible for it to work so well it can perfectly project a 767's image, sound and properties to millions of people and cameras.

Nukes would have taken down half a city block at the LEAST. Not to mention radiation, bright flashes and extremley loud explosions and huge seismographic spieks that can't be covered up.

As for Aliens, not even Alex Jones would buy that.

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Although I think 90% of your theories are baseless (the other 10% being flight 93) there are some that are actually worth debating. Those ones up there just aren't worth the time anymore.

The above theories are just wasting everyones time.

Now the point of this thread was to give my advice. I am well aware that people are going to try and prove the theories I listed above by posting all your 'evidence' but I really just don't have the time for it. So I doubt I'll be coming back to this thread to read the responses.

Hope someone took that in.





[edit on 31/10/2006 by doctorfungi]




posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 03:26 AM
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I dunno man, PM is bunk in my books, they wouldn't even go against scholars on a radio show.. They ended up cancelling 5 mins before broadcast..

Why don't you bring some real proof to the table instead of some crap like that.

I am sure there is more.

And why is you that you are giving advice, you dont even answer statements made back to you. Not like you have all the answers...

And No I dont claim to know everything. I just find what makes more sense.

and PM = Bunk in my book and in probably others.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 03:30 AM
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Now the point of this thread was to give my advice. I am well aware that people are going to try and prove the theories I listed above by posting all your 'evidence' but I really just don't have the time for it. So I doubt I'll be coming back to this thread to read the responses.


Gee.. I bet you're great fun at dinner parties.

EDIT for one line response slap
. Though since the OP isn't planning to waste his time reading the responses it would be daft waste too much time writing one. I think next time I'll say nothing.

[edit on 31-10-2006 by nowthenlookhere]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 04:12 AM
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Who really cares about the symantics of the event of 911, you seem to forget a few things that make the whole event stink of a false flag operation. Firstly the fact that even though the CIA/FBI/ and every other 3 lettered acronym based organisation in the USA said it was Saudi's that did it. Wake up you people the 19 hijackers were predominantly Saudi and Pakistani but still Bush/Cheney and Rumsfeld pushed the whole "get the Taliban, get Sadam and anyone else who we want to lable our enemy" concept.
If it was a team of Saudi terrorist's then invade Saudia Arabia and totally take down the Bin Laden Family, but alas here lies the first stinking tur# of the situation. The Bin Laden Family has direct ties to the Bush Cartel so I guess you cant take them out if you have multiple investments with them can you. So I guess that leaves Pakistan and Musharraf to deal with, but alas he has more than a fair arsenal of Nuclear Weapons that the US no doubt help build.
I say to you mate look at only one fact surrounding 911 and that is WTC7 fell without a plane hitting it, even if you cant swallow what the truth movement is trying to do waking people up. You need to look at what has happend since 911 and only then will the ducks all line up. Something is wrong with this picture and it would only take an infantile moron with down syndrome and dementia to see that all is not what it seems to be SINCE 911.


[edit on 31-10-2006 by mazzroth]

[edit on 31-10-2006 by mazzroth]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 05:13 AM
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The assertion that thousands of people would have to know about it is simply your baseless assumption. History has demonstrated that the US government can keep massive projects secret. Were thousands of people aware of the Manhattan project?

Your advice is worthless to me, I don’t mind if you don’t respond.

[edit on 31-10-2006 by VladTheImpaler]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 05:30 AM
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Doctor Fungi, how can you ignore the multitude of specific warnings given prior to 9/11 and then the Bush administration going before the world and declaring they had no idea something like this was in the pipeline or that someone would use aircraft as missiles.

At the G8 meeting in Genoa in the summer of 2001, they closed the airspace around the delegates and stationed anti-aircraft missiles in the area. Bush and co stayed on a large yacht to reduce risk of a plane hitting them!

They very fact they lied about this and that there is evidence to prove it should tell you to take every part of their offiical story and cross examine it with every piece of contrary evidence documented so far.

Another video for you to watch.
9/11 Press For Truth. No demolitions, or explosives or anything "physical" discussed. However at the end of it you can't fail to begin doubting the official story. To add credibility it "stars" and (I assume was sanctioned by) the "Jersey Girls" the 9/11 widows who drove a reluctant Bush administration to eventually open the much flawed 9/11 Commission.

9/11 Press For Truth

[edit on 31-10-2006 by uknumpty]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Here we go again

How can a colapsingbuilding fal down in virtual free fall?

How does a steel buiding frame colapse in a relative small fire.

Why did building 7 collapse ?

Maybe take on some of these arguments instead of going for the easy alien ones.

[edit on 31-10-2006 by jaamaan]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
...Hologram technology doesn't exist...


O RLY? I don't agree with the hologram theory, but statements like this are why I laugh at almost every post you make. Hologram technology DOES exist, at what scale can it be used I don't know, but I've seen impressive clips of it in action and making up stuff like it doesn't exist only hurts your credibilty.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up.


It's ridiculous that people cling to this. It's not even a logical argument. It's non-sequitur (ie, "if they rigged the buildings, then they must tell us about it!").

Your whole case here is apparently since no one is admitting to it (which would EXPECTED) then therefore it was impossible.

You're going to have to try better than that, like actually show how the Towers could have fallen without explosives, without transferring momentum straight down to the bases, without even SLOWING, while sending ~90% of the mass outwards in four directions very energetically, losing angular momentum, and leaving behind a pit of steel that burned and smoldered for months from fires that lasted about an hour. You're going to have to show how ~1 hour hydrocarbon fires can warp scores of huge box columns burning on scattered office materials alone, or at least all the pre-collapse buckling that we should have seen, instead of 5-10 columns a floor bending in a few inches only.


"If they rigged the buildings, then they would tell us about it" is a non-sequitur, which is a logical fallacy, meaning that it isn't even a legitimate argument, aside from all of the above remaining unexplained, and yet strongly suggesting additional energy sources in those collapses.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 11:23 AM
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Hi Drfungi:


DrFungi >> Two of these flights crashed into the World Trade Centers. Due to insufficient design to cop with the situation, both towers collapsed severley damaging WTC7 on their way down. WTC collapsed due to heavy fires and damage later that evening.


Your supposition here is just nonsense.

Video >> www.whatreallyhappened.com...

Anyone can see that WTC7 was taken down demolition style, because no kind of fire damage would allow columns and beams to fail simultaneously across the entire structure. How many steel / concrete skyscrapers have collapsed in US history from fire? Exactly three and all on 9/11 and within mere hours of the fires starting.

These structures were wired for collapse weeks before 9/11 by DoD Contractors. You have not shown how ‘fire’ can create the needed 2777 ( www.911research.com... ) degrees to begin melting the supporting columns and beams; not to mention how that might happen throughout the entire building. WTC7 is the smoking gun pointing to all three structures (WTC1, 2 and 7) being wired for demolition.


Dr.Fungi >> A jet slammed into the Pentagon.


That is the official DoD / Bush Administration ‘Cover Story’ that makes no sense at all. Pre-collapse damage ( www.worldnewsstand.net... ) shows insufficient space to accommodate any 100 Ton Jetliner. Note only about 20 feet of the second floor is missing. The tail of a Boeing 757-200 Jetliner is almost 50 feet high and from the bottom of the engines to the top of the cabin is about the distance from the ground to the top of the second floor! The ‘spools’ are the dead giveaway that NO PLANE hit the West Wedge wall at all. Examine this photo very carefully:

www.worldnewsstand.net...

The location of the spools makes it impossible that 100 Tons of Jetliner passed over the top AND below the bottom of the second floor marked in red. Note that the impact of the “Missile” ( www.abovetopsecret.com... ) caused the three columns (shaded in orange) to lean back in our direction. Do you see any sign whatsoever of any 100 Ton Jetliner? Neither do I! Look again at the third picture from the top ( www.worldnewsstand.net... ) and note there is no space for your 100 Ton Jetliner to fit inside the West Wedge wall AND there is no sign of 60 tons of aluminum outside either. All you see is firemen mopping up after a “Missile” attack. But, this picture takes the cake:

Cable Spools >> www.worldnewsstand.net...

Note the white arrows in the upper left hand corner that point to the 16’X20’ impact hole, which should find all of this debris pushed in the opposite direction by 100 Tons of Jetliner going 500 miles per hour. The inside of the building is burning hot like an oven, but outside even the plastic covering remains intact around the cable on the spools. How is this possible if 100 Tons of Jetliner exploded directly over the top of them??? IMPOSSIBLE. The plastic covering on these spools was protected by the West Wedge wall itself, because the Tomahawk Missile exploded on the ‘inside’ after puncturing a hole; which finds the debris thrown back in our direction exactly as predicted by the “Missile” detonation model. This is what a Jetliner crash should look like:

Other Crashes >> www.worldnewsstand.net...

The senior CNN Reporter on the scene says no plane struck the Pentagon ( thewebfairy.com... ).

The next bit of information is not known by most of the ATS members ( http:// www. cassiopaea. org/ cass/ boeing. htm = remove the spaces and plug into browser) :

Laura Knight-Jadczyk >> Again, let me reiterate the fact that the flight 77 was invisible ONLY to CIVILIAN aviation authorities. The fact that the transponders were turned off automatically alerts military air defense.

Next problem: There are five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries in place to protect the Pentagon from an airborne attack. These anti-missile batteries operate automatically.

Pentagon spokesman, Lieutenant-Colonel Vic Warzinski claimed the military had not been expecting such an attack. This is not credible. Because the transponder had been turned off, the Pentagon knew full well where that aircraft was. Communications between civilian air traffic controllers and the various federal authorities functioned perfectly.


The only way these five ‘anti-missile’ batteries failed to automatically respond is someone from the DoD had to turn them off! Compare the NORAD and Joint Chief’s “Live-Fly” Exercise testimony from the link (cassiopea) above to what appears here ( www.fromthewilderness.com... ). The path to the simple truth of how the Department of Defense, FEMA, FBI and their sister agencies pulled all of this off is explained on those two Web Pages.


DrFungi >> Flight 93 was shot down by NORAD to prevent further loss of life. This has been denied by the government for obvious reasons. And quite frankly I don't blame them for covering this up.


You do not blame the true New World Order terrorists pulling the B/A and DoD puppet strings from orchestrating 9/11, which is evidenced by your willingness to paste their “Opinion Molding” Propaganda on this ATS Board. Many facts are not included in my “Tomahawk Missile” Thread above in order to protect people who must remain nameless. A relative of mine happens to work for a DoD Contractor responsible for generating the mapping data used in the AN/CXQ-1 DSMAC (Digital Scene Matching Area Correlation) guidance system. This is the technology that allows Tomahawk Missiles to follow a precisely calculated preset flight path, which allowed the Missile to avoid premature detection. The 8’X8’ hole ( www.davesweb.cnchost.com... ) was created by the nose section of the Missile coming apart in the split second it took for the inertia to carry it along the flight path shown by the red arrow in the left hand picture.

[Continued]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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Go down to the large white chart (Hole in wall) near the bottom of the page and note the larger orange square box where the nose section impacted the concrete slab entering the “D-Ring,” which caused “Slab deflected upward.” The Missile entered the “E-Ring” (West Wedge wall) and detonated just inside, but the nose section remained intact for that split instant to ricochet off the slab to take out all the columns in direct proximity shown in red. Then the remainder of the deteriorating nose section skipped through the columns (taking out 2 on Column Line K) to impact the rear “C-Ring” wall like a shotgun blast. The time from the initial impact atop the chart (E-Ring) to the creation of the hole in the read (C-Ring) wall was just under one second.

There is no evidence of any 100 Ton Jetliner anywhere near the Pentagon and the verifiable remains of the Tomahawk Missile were carried away by DoD Operatives ( www.worldnewsstand.net... , www.worldnewsstand.net... ). The presence of the Official DoD “Cover Story” itself is proof that the entire 9/11 HOAX has been a lie from the very beginning. Nobody here can place 60 Tons of Aluminum on the scene; much less tons of massive Rolls Royce engines, seats, cargo, fuselage from any 100 Ton Jetliner.


DrFungi >> That's my opinion. Now here's my advice to you: Controlled Demolition Theories Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up.


Bullony! Nothing but a controlled demolition could cause 47 stories of WTC7 to collapse into its own footprint without being struck by any Jetliner or anything else! Have you even tried to prove that kerosene could create the 2777 degree flames in order to begin melting the steel supports of any of these buildings? No. The Official DoD Cover Story is A FANTASY and the world is witnessing the spectacle of a self inflicted wound.

Knowing the whole story and how DoD operatives are working allows us to build a model predicting their next move. Their next HOAX will mirror the Pentagon attack in many ways, but the ‘long reach’ aspects of the equation require them to strike a ‘twin cities’ location in California near the coast. The model says they will launch an attack in the northeastern quadrant of Oakland to set up a Command And Control Center in neighboring San Francisco. Similar operations will be setup in every major metropolitan area to mirror that initial staging area, as the Commander and Chief institutes Martial Law in a marriage of the police with the military. That will begin the massive campaign against their insurgents and new brand of terrorist resisting their ‘Fascism’ right here in the USA, because their new enemy will be people like you and me.

Terral


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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 11:45 AM
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Controlled Demolition Theories

Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up. The strongest counter-argument to this theory is that too many people would have to have been involved to pull this off. Especially on both towers. If someone comes out and says they were part of it - that would shatter that counter argument. Until then, you really haven't got anything solid.


[edit on 31/10/2006 by doctorfungi]

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You have no idea what the govenment can and cannot do.

Do you realize that there are computer chips used by the government based on carbon, not silicon that have much better performance than silicon based technology? Of course you don't. It is a secret kept by the government which I have just divulged to you. How many people know this? Thousands. And they have kept that secret. Until now. The government has many such secrets and the 911 conspiracy is just one.

I have actually heard people who worked in the wtc tell of areas that were temporarily placed off limits for maintenance in the weeks prior to the wtc collapse. There are also mechanical corridors in every large building that the normal working people never see or enter which would be employed to rig the demolition. Nobody would know and business would go on as usual in the building.

Remember to obey and do exactly as you are told. Do not question. Your govenment knows what is good for you and will take care of you.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 01:53 PM
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Everyone has their own opinion as to who was behind the events that happened on 09/11/01.I for one have no doubts that the Bush admin. had prior knowledge of the attacks and did absolutlely nothing to prevent or stop it from taking place.There was alot of money made on that fateful day and Bush had his hand in the cookie jar ,so to speak.The pipeline through Afghanistan is being built as we speak,and there will be plenty of money to be made off that.Not to mention the oil from Iraq,the many insurance policies on the trade centers(which i believe was somewhere around 7 billion dollars)and the put options placed on united and american airlines.Money is the motive behind the attacks on 9/11.And I truely believe that many people in the US government made and continue to make money from the 9/11 attacks.So Doc you go ahead and support your claims,but I for one don,t want your "advice".Bush is a very evil man and he will have to face God someday and will pay for all his sins.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 02:03 PM
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Doc, three years for that. You could have read the NIST and PM in an afternoon and come to the same conclusion.

sheesh...........



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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Fungi here's my reasoning for why 9/11 was an inside job.

In 1933 Adolf Hitler and H. Goering came up with a plan for the SS. That plan was to burn down the Reichstag so that Hitler could do what he did.

Hitler used the event to pass the Enabling Act, which turned the country into a police state and created the Gestapo. They blamed the terrorism on communists and thats how it all began.

When History repeats do we notice?



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Guys, take it easy on him. He obviously has trouble grasping the whole concept because it is difficult for everyone to come to the realization that the media you always thought was good, turns out to be a lie. He has trouble understanding that the government and the corporations he always thought were there for his protection, are actually there as his enemies.

Now, I don't know about you all, but I had trouble with these things when I was first introduced to the truth movement ... is it really that hard to understand the guy is having such trouble?



posted on Nov, 20 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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i wonder what the hay's wrong with people who think it's okay for the government leaders to bold faced LIE to the people who are the government body(the people).

that is a sign of serious sickness in the education system.

the government in a republic or a democracy should be COMPLETELY transparent, forthright, and honest. that is the only way that the government body can make informed decisions about who and what to vote for.

my advice to government shills....

wake the heck up. the government is 'you' and 'me', not 'them'. and, although in reality it IS 'them' that hold the reigns, it is not ADVISABLE to lie down like a whipped dog and accept the tyranny of 'them', or to assume that 'they' have 'your' best interests at heart. in other words, it's okay to call out your boss, and tell him he's not just wrong, but WRONG.

[edit on 20-11-2006 by billybob]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 07:59 PM
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Like any conspiracy, the 9/11 theories have their strong points and their weak points. Based on my past three years of research I'll offer you guys some advice.

For starters I would like to point out that 3 years of heavy research has lead me to the belief that 9/11 conspiracy theories are false. I'll outline my theory here:


Can you show the FBI reports or any other official reports that back up any of your theories ?

Here is my opinion of what happned to the towers and it is from information gathered from some government and professional research sites.

The 9/11 attacks used unconventional high explosives (commercial jet fuel), unconventional delivery (aluminum aircraft, associated metals and oxides) to create high explosive blasts, exteme temperatures and thermite reactions that caused the collapse of the towers.



[edit on 22-11-2006 by ULTIMA1]



posted on Nov, 22 2006 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
That's my opinion. Now here's my advice to you:

Controlled Demolition Theories

Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up. The strongest counter-argument to this theory is that too many people would have to have been involved to pull this off.


How about.. we don't give up because things don't seem to fit yet? And... it depends on who you ask for the amount of people to pull off the WTC "planted secondary device" theory. You're not actually addressing any theories here but as a whole.. are just attacking the whole premise there's even theories countering the official story.

EDIT: With respect to the WTC scene that is.



[edit on 11/22/2006 by Masisoar]



posted on Nov, 23 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by doctorfungi
That's my opinion. Now here's my advice to you:

Controlled Demolition Theories

Unless you have someone come forward saying they placed charges within the towers or actually detonated them - give it up. The strongest counter-argument to this theory is that too many people would have to have been involved to pull this off.

Let's put this to work on an other crime theory:
Unless you have a biker coming forward saying that they sold drugs and organized prostitution - The strongest counter-arguement to this theory is that too many Hell's Angels bikers would have to be involved to pull this off.



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