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Elephants can recognize themselves in a mirror, joining only
humans, apes and dolphins as animals that possess this kind of
self-awareness, researchers now report.
"This would seem to be a trait common to and independently
evolved by animals with large, complex brains, complex social
lives and known capacities for empathy and altruism, even
though the animals all have very different kinds of brains,"
researcher Diana Reiss, a senior cognitive research scientist at
the Wildlife Conservation Society in Brooklyn, N.Y., told
LiveScience.
"We used a mirror made of plastic -- if we used glass, it would
have broken very easily -- and framed it with steel and bolted it
to the wall, but we were still worried they'd bring it down," Plotnik
told LiveScience.
"Luckily that didn't happen. We never saw them attempt to rip the
mirror off.
They seemed too interested in it to do that."
As they begin to understand mirrors, animals that can recognize
their reflections try repeating actions in front of it.
The elephants, for example, waved their trunks around and moved
their heads in and out of the mirror view.
Finally, once animals recognize reflections as their own, they use
mirrors to investigate their own bodies [video].
On more than one occasion, the elephants stuck their trunks into
their mouths in front of the mirror, and Maxine used her trunk to
pull her ear slowly toward the mirror.
One elephant, named Happy, passed the final test of repeatedly
touching an X painted on her forehead [image], a place she could
not see without a mirror.
As a control, when a colorless paint was used to draw the X, Happy
didn't bother with it.
While only Happy passed this test [video], the researchers noted
that more than half of chimpanzees examined typically fail this test.
SOURCE:
LiveScience.com
Originally posted by centurion1211
Funny, but I was going to mention a cat 'trick' where I stand behind my cat as it watches me in the mirror. If I reach out to try and touch the cat, it always turns around and looks at me directly. That tells me the cat has the mirror thing all figured out. Might not understand how it works, of course, but knows what's going on.
Originally posted by JackJuice
Originally posted by centurion1211
Funny, but I was going to mention a cat 'trick' where I stand behind my cat as it watches me in the mirror. If I reach out to try and touch the cat, it always turns around and looks at me directly. That tells me the cat has the mirror thing all figured out. Might not understand how it works, of course, but knows what's going on.
I don't think the point of the mirror test was if they can figure out how the mirror works, but if they have a sense of self and are currious about themselves recognizing who they are and when something is out of place.
Originally posted by elaine
I could just tell that the elephants were miserable when I looked into their eyes.
Whenever captive elephants go crazy and kill someone, I think they've just had it and can't take anymore of that kind of existence. Or either their trainers or whoever are abuseing them.
I saw a special on TV about how chimpanzee's are being taught to comunicate emotion via a laptop computer. While this is fascinating and makes the heart all warm and fuzzy........ Is it appropriate? Who benefits from this? Us or the chimps? Seems to me that the chimps were fine before being forced to sit in front of laptops in exchange for candy. Just because the chimps have the ability doesn't mean we ought to exploit it, in my opinion any way.
Originally posted by stumason
I saw a special on TV about how chimpanzee's are being taught to comunicate emotion via a laptop computer. While this is fascinating and makes the heart all warm and fuzzy........ Is it appropriate? Who benefits from this? Us or the chimps? Seems to me that the chimps were fine before being forced to sit in front of laptops in exchange for candy. Just because the chimps have the ability doesn't mean we ought to exploit it, in my opinion any way.
They can also teach Chimps and Gorillas language, albeit either sign language or via a computer with symbols (then again, no different that writing). these then have shown they can go on and teach other primates the language as well. This alone proves an understanding and high level of intelect. You can actually have a good conversation with these animals. They tell you what they want, how they feel, or they even ask questions to you. Some scientists put Primate intelligence on par with a young human, say 3-5 years old. Not bad, when you consider it.
On a lighter note......... I get frustrated talking to alot of other humans, I can't imagine what will happen when someone figures out chimps are qualified to work the help desk at my company's tech support center!!!!
Originally posted by stumason
On a lighter note......... I get frustrated talking to alot of other humans, I can't imagine what will happen when someone figures out chimps are qualified to work the help desk at my company's tech support center!!!!
Instead of India oursourcing, they'll have these guys doing it! Even cheaper, they'd only need a fruit basket as pay!
I'll agree that seeing circus animals is sometimes very sad......... but that's our human reaction. But how can you tell what the animal thinks? That's real arrogance if you ask me. We should take the science for what it is and further it. Assuming we can read their emotions is faulty.
Originally posted by stumason
My cat won't pay any attention to herself in a mirror. She eats, sleeps and pesters the hamster. That is what she does and all she does.
Apart from the occasional psychopathic attack if dinner isn't as forthcoming as she would like..
Bless her...
Originally posted by looking4truth
Originally posted by elaine
I could just tell that the elephants were miserable when I looked into their eyes.
Whenever captive elephants go crazy and kill someone, I think they've just had it and can't take anymore of that kind of existence. Or either their trainers or whoever are abuseing them.
Ok, this is the kind of thing I love.
How can you make the leap from "elephant recognizes self in mirror" to giving them human level emotions and motivations?