Glitches cited in early voting

The fun has begun.

Debra A. Reed voted with her boss on Wednesday at African-American Research Library and Cultural Center near Fort Lauderdale. Her vote went smoothly, but boss Gary Rudolf called her over to look at what was happening on his machine. He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist.

That's exactly the kind of problem that sends conspiracy theorists into high gear -- especially in South Florida, where a history of problems at the polls have made voters particularly skittish.

Lookie Here


SO....that film i saw on YouTube is correct, it appears, the floppy inside it is manipulated so that if one votes DEM it registers Republican.

Gotta love it!!!

How fortuitous:

He touched the screen for gubernatorial candidate Jim Davis, a Democrat, but the review screen repeatedly registered the Republican, Charlie Crist.

Probably Rove's October surprise.

Wow

I'm speechless

It is simply amazing what these scam artists are allowed to get away with.

I wish we had other options besides these voteing machines...

Originally posted by elaine
I wish we had other options besides these voteing machines...

Like blow up the whole planet

Solves all of our problems

Things will never get better

Nah, that's not a good idea. What was wrong with paper votes? I don't mind waiting longer for them to count them.

Electronic voting is fast, but can be manipulated much more easily.

I for one think a paper ballot is superior, as it leaves a paper trail.

And there is less chance of someone hacking a system to manipulate large numbers of votes.

I suppose the huge investments in the electronic voting machines are worth the money- to the politicians that is. Force the American taxpayer to finance a voting system subject to all kinds of security issues and then deny anyone the ability to audit the code. Great. It figures. :shk:

That code should be made available by law to certain independent verification agencies, and taken right prior, during, and immediately after the vote to insure that none of those "last minute patches" happen again like in the last elections. Get the things ready way before hand, certify them independently, and go into it with dead certainty that they are going to give us accurate, dependable results- free from the grubby hands of would be election thieves. When I think back to all the stuff I read about those damn machines last time, I don't understand how the American public is ok with paperless voting.

I'd suggest punchcards as a way to make a fully accountable system.

With punchcards, you have physical votes that can be manually counted combined with a system that could be electronicly counted very quickly.

Best of both worlds by returning to older technology.

But I'm guessing that isn't the point. It looks more and more like the system is about finding more ways to manipulate the voters, not about increasing security and accountability.

I spoke to a friend today who is living in Amsterdam. In the Netherlands parliamentary elections will be held at the end of November and initially people should have voted by similar voting machines as those in the US.

However, authorities found out that they could be hacked from a distance of 11 yards. The hack enabled the hackers to see on what party people cast their vote. A limited ''threat'' compared to the issue in the US, yet their government decided not to use the machines and process all votes by paper.

The best way to vote,is to vote via absenty ballot.You can get one and turn it in tommorow if you want.But i suppose if these elections are rigged,it wont matter either way.

"Record number of Feds to monitor elections"
www.cnn.com...

Guys your missing the best bit..

because they have 'feds' watching people come in, and click a button... there legit..
i mean.. feds are gunna stop anyone that tries to mess with these machines..right?
being from the governments point of view, its 'them' who are trying to rig it...
they wouldnt even try n defend it against thereselves would they.

there fore, when everyone kicks up a stink, they can say
'' hey, we secured them, we had people manning them. it was in no way rigged ''

Im neither dem repub or what ever,
I just sure as hell hope GW doesnt get his 'yes' men, into the seat where the last shred of logic lies.....

Painfully though, knowing full well if a new faction is in the congress an investigation will be brought on the reasons behind war...and the failure of intellegence prior to 911.

..I cant see the current admin allowing that possibility.

They are the corporate and interconnected elite. They are in no way going to allow the 'people' to find out what REALLY was going on behind those walls between Sep01 and Mar03

Its like everything of today..
As long as your led to believe it, you effectivley DO beleive it. what you think is irelevant.






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What I don't understand is why we are allowing this to happen.

Why is not mass protest to stop the use of this machines, why even Democrats are not making a big fuss about it.

It sees that both parties are in it. together.

I don't get it, GA had problem with the darn machines. I am to the point that feels that it doesn't matter anymore if you show to vote or not.

Because is no our vote the one that counts anymore.

We vote because the constitution say so, and that will keep our mouth shot and happy.

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands Voters in Amsterdam and 34 other Dutch cities may be using paper and pencil instead of computerized voting machines in national elections next month.

The government on Monday banned the use of one common type of computer voting machine, fearing that secret ballots may not be kept secret. It ordered a review of all electronic machines after the Nov. 22 election.

Government Renewal Minister Atzo Nicolai said the move was necessary after an investigation found the machines made by Sdu NV emitted radio signals that a technology-savvy spy could use to peek at a voters' choices from a distance of up to several dozen meters (yards).

"What can be detected is the image on the screen that's visible to the voter, by which his voting could be monitored," Nicolai said in a letter to parliament.

"In short, the machines made by the company Sdu can now be tapped, and there are no technical measures that can be taken before the upcoming elections that would prevent this tapping and guarantee the secrecy of the ballot."

Herald Tribune

These voting machines can too easily be hacked and manipulated. But hey, that could be very beneficial to certain people

i dont know if you guys have seen these. Some guys in the CS dept at princeton made a video outlining the security flaws of the diebold machines.

YouTube - Princeton University examination of Diebold voting machines

and heres the response to diebold's response to Princeton University Examination of Diebold Voting

after seeing this video and doing some research, i cant beleive we're even still talking about this. the death of the e-voting machines should be old news by now. what exactly is wrong with the old system?

Yes, watch the movie by Princeton University- It will shock you to see how easily manipulated these machines are!!!!!!!!!

Where's the Democrats' outcry on this??? There is none. I wonder why that is. We are watching a two system party evolve into one and all the campaigning and speeches (including Kerry's latest faux pas) is ALL A SHOW to make you think YOU HAVE A CHOICE when you really do not.


Cant anyone see that?

Originally posted by dgtempe
is ALL A SHOW to make you think YOU HAVE A CHOICE when you really do not.


Cant anyone see that?

So what you think of the october surprise???????

The blunder coming out of Kerrys mouth.

Ooops I did it again.

ughhhhhhh this really annoys me...the glitches what the heck?? do they think we won't notice or something? I have always believed your vote didn't count anyway that's why i never registered to vote and never plan to. i wanna get the hell out of this country before im trapped without a passport

Originally posted by BitRaiser
I'd suggest punchcards as a way to make a fully accountable system.

With punchcards, you have physical votes that can be manually counted combined with a system that could be electronicly counted very quickly.

You're not serious are you?
Remember the 2000 election?
Punch cards are not a very good way to go.
Chads can fall out with too much handling, there a risk of people not being able to push the stylus through the paper (seriously).
Punchcards are the reason behind the entire 2000 election fiasco.

Personally I like the system we use where I live.
Paper ballot, color in the circle next to who you are voting for, put the ballot into a scanner, simple.

Pfft, have em like over in Blighty.

Stroll down to the local church/community centre etc. Go into a booth, put a cross on your candidate hand it into the volunteers (old ladies etc, hardly illuminati, who shove them all in a box which are then securely whisked away by police escort to the civic centre, where more volunteers count the ballots (several times) manually and announce the result in the early hours of the morning where the waiting press congregate with cups of coffee at the ready.

Easy. Postal voting? Lazy buggers. But yes, Labour councillors have been caught trying and succeeding in intecepting postal votes, so scrap em, its just far too easy to manipulate

Some things just don't need changing, we are too eager to use technology in every walk of life even when it isn't needed.