Originally posted by fritz
Mdv2 I agree with some of your comments but let's be realistic. The EU will never have a common defence policy, simply because we can't even agree
on a simple foreign policy.
Western Europe has had a common defense policy (which included the US as well) named NATO. In case of emergency, if Europe was threatened, I doubt
Europe would have trouble organizing and defending itself....
If you take global warming for example, President Blair [having hijacked David's Cameron's Green Policies] now wants to tax us to make us greener.
Fine, but what about the rest of the EU? We can't agree about the Tokyo Summit, Africa and famine relief, so what hope a for European standing
Hope is in the future...there simply is no need for a standing european army because europe has no real enemies. An army would be created if Europe
was threatened...it is not ( I see no visible threat at least)
No my friend, I cannot see a multi-national European armed forces. We Brits have contributed 1 Commando and 1 Parachute Brigade to the European Rapid
Force and to date, the French (bless them!) have committed the Foreign Legion to same, but this [the EU RRF] has not even been ratified by Brussels
because of in-fighting about who commands, where it's based or who pays for it etc, etc, etc!
It is peace time...so there is plenty of time to decide where to base, pay etc, etc. If there was compelling need to create a real army ((say an
unknown enemy threatened to invade, or growing tensions between europe and a given country)) the pressure to create it would be greater...its simply
politics. there is no real rush to create it, so they take the time ((I don't like it either))
Technologically speaking we have, as individual countries, some excellent military products. We also have some quite excellent R & D companies doing
brilliant military and civilian research but, we do lack the funding the US can feed in to a project.
As a whole, Europe does not lack the funding for an ambitious project. Again, timing is the problem. The US funds such large projects because they
constantly plan to be at war. Europe does not. If such an army was ever created, it would be merely a defense force, for the most of Europe
((excluding the UK, which decided to jump in the cowboy invasion)) doesn't have real enemies. ((Al Qaeda...but an army is not needed to fight them,
counter intel services are))
If you take the Eurofighter 'Typhoon' as an example, it is well over budget, several countries have scaled back their orders or cancelled the
contracts and the intended delivery date was missed by miles.
I agree, but that seems to be a tendency in military projects ((F-22 as an
example...)) Yet, the project has been developed, if need arised, Europe would have the capability to build an excellent plane. The R&D did not go to
The other situation to consider is NATO. What becomes of NATO if we Europeans decide to go it alone? Will it become a paper tiger?
Chances are, if Europe decides to go alone, it would become a paper tiger, since Europe would not need the US, but the coordination expertise from
NATO would be used in the new "army"
Do we [as Europeans] politely say 'thank you' to the US for helping us keep the peace in Europe for the last 60 odd years and explain that thanks to
Reagan and Thatcher, we no longer need you now the Russian Bogey Man has been firmly put in his place?
Europe could also say they don't intend to be dragged into the wars the US is firmly decided to wage. Or that they now will defend their own
interests...who knows what could be said...whatever it is, if Europe went on its own, there would be not a thing the US could say or do about it.
Europe needs the US as much as the US needs us, perhaps not militarily, but politically.
Hmm...I think I might disagree there Fritz.
Economical need is what said still binds the two together. Besides, it is not like Europe would cut ties, it would simply create a force to defend
itself on its own. And I doubt the US would mind Europe having an army, it could be seen as a possible peace enforcer, and I think it would help to
balance a bit the world, since having a single policeman in the block is not really working that well...
((Hey everyone btw...long time no see