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posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
If anyone truly desires to assist these children, it is up to each to contact the appropriate international justice organisation, such as... the FBI


HAHAHAHAHA




posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
US Newswire
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Well there you have Capitalism is it's Purest Form;

How to create even more Profit by Exploiting People of this World?

So the West keeps exploiting the East in order to make more Money.

And the US Companies do not seem to have a problem with 11-year old children working for them, 14 hours a day for 36 cents an hour.


Humm...why is it that some people always want to claim "oh, look what is happening on the other side of the world because of Capitalism"...

First of all the person who wrote that article does not even mention the fact that about 80% or more of all those people living in Bangladesh, are descendants of the "untouchables" in their caste system...

Here is a link as to why those things which you mention happen in countries like Bangladesh.


The great Aryan invasions to the Indian subcontinent that occurred between 2000-1500 BC brought to the region a language called Sanskrit, a religion called Vedic Hinduism and a social organisation structure called the caste system. The caste system has influenced Bangladesh ever since with eighty percent of modern day Bangladeshi’s claiming descent from the untouchables caste or Namasudras, while only a few belong to the caste of the Aryan invaders. By 600 BC, Bangladesh was a inbred part of the Hindu Aryan culture. It is likely that many previous beliefs were incorporated into the conquering religion.

www.bbpa.co.uk...


Here is a little bit of knowledge about the untouchables for your perusal.

banglapedia.search.com.bd...

en.wikipedia.org...

BTW...when such things are heard of in "Capitalist" countries most people in those countries, and at times such "Capitalist" countries do take action, but I was wondering exactly what you had in mind in trying to eradicate the "caste system" which exists in Bangladesh among some other nations.

[edit on 30-10-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Oct, 30 2006 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
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Does Castro have a commercial on each and every sports event?

I think not...


He makes children as young as maybe 10 years old and until they graduate pay for their education, which Communists and socialists keep claiming is free when it is not, spend their summers in working camps gathering food, sugar canes and also tobacco, which they can't eat or sell and most food won't see the Cuban stores or households because they will be sold to other "revolutionary" countries "por la revolucion"....


Cuba's top diplomat in Washington called Elian "a possession of the state," which is plainly true under Cuba's "Code of the Child, Law No. 16." The development of a child's "Com munist personality" is paramount, any influence contrary to Communism must be fought, and advanced schooling is predicated on a child's political attitude. The state may remove custody from parents found to be "hindering" their children's Communist formation.

The bright, happy little boy racing around that fenced yard in Little Havana will face the soul-crushing conformity of a totalitarian state. Because the school desk he left behind has reportedly been turned into a "national shrine," any deviation by Elian from what loyal young Communists must think would be ruthlessly suppressed. In the Soviet Union, a "Stakhanovite" was someone who was willing to overfulfill work quotas at the cost of his life. As a celebrated subject of the regime, Elian Gonzalez will have to be the most committed little Communist in Cuba, at the expense of his innocence.

And Castro's regime will be keeping close track. The Ministry of the Interior assigns infants an "Identification Card of the Child" that must be carried at all times, until age 16. In its 17 pages, which include residential addresses and schools attended, notations are made about the child's "political attitude." This is where a record would be made should Elian ever express positive feelings about his experience in Miami or kind words about his family there. Elian will have to adopt the view that his late mother's flight makes her a traitor and a despised enemy of the revolution.

Elian also has a Student Cumulative Dossier, where teachers make a record of his and his family's opinions and behavior. Elian would have gotten good marks for belonging to the Young Communist Pioneers, which he had joined before leaving Cuba. The group's motto is: "We shall be like Che." The schools' curriculum is saturated with the glories of the revolution. In the fourth and fifth grades, Elian's written compositions will concentrate on "Yankee imperialism" and "Cuba's enemies." There is also time for a kind of recreation that will counter the corrupting influence of Disney World: The schools have frequent exercises called "Military Games for Pioneers," in which the children play at attacking bridges, finding land mines, sneaking up on sentries, and throwing grenades through windows. At age ten, children head off to agricultural work camps for three months each year, where they work and continue their military games.

www.findarticles.com...

and that's just scratching the surface as to what happens to children in Cuba.


A Firsthand Account Of Child Abuse, Castro Style
by Armando Valladares (May 16, 2000)

I was in solitary confinement in Fidel Castro's tropical gulag -- where I spent 22 years for refusing to pledge allegiance to the Communist regime -- when I heard a child's voice whimpering. "Get me out of here! Get me out of here! I want to see my mommy!" I thought my senses were failing me. I could not believe that they had imprisoned a child in those dungeons. Later on, I learned the story of Robertico.

He was 12 years old when they arrested him. A captain in the political police had left his gun in his open car. When he returned to the car he saw the child playing with it. He slapped Robertico and took him into custody. The child was sent to an adult prison in Havana, where he was condemned to spend the rest of his youth. He would not be released until he reached the age of 18.

Robertico was sent to a galley with common criminals. Within a few days, those soulless prisoners raped him. He spent several days in the hospital for treatment of rents and hemorrhages as a result. By the time he was released, his file had been stamped "homosexual" and he was taken to the prison area reserved for this classification. Robertico was so slender that his body fit through the bars of the cells. One night he slipped out to watch cartoons on the guard's television. When he was discovered, he was sent to the punishment cells. He was taken out of those cells three times a week for injections because he was suffering from a venereal disease. A guard told me he was so young he did not even have pubic hair.

When I think of Elian Gonzalez, Robertico always comes to mind. This is the Cuban society to which Elian may return: a society where all rights are violated in the interest of subordinating all individuals to the will of the supreme leader.

Sadly, some in America still believe that the Cuban revolution was a triumph of good. It is worth remembering that many also refused to believe the horrors of the Nazi extermination camps. Then, the world had to wait for eyewitness accounts from journalists and photographic evidence from their camera crews before finally accepting the horrible reality of what had happened.

Many other Americans seem to believe that even if savage things once happened under Fidel Castro, the situation has now changed. Yet the same dictatorship, which sanctioned the abuse of Robertico and has tortured thousands of political prisoners, is still wielding absolute power over the Cuban people. Fidel Castro has never recanted or apologized for the atrocities that have been reported by those who have escaped his grasp. And there is a stream of evidence that the brutality and repression continues. Last month the United Nations Human Rights Commission condemned Cuba, for the eighth time, for its systematic violation of human rights. Amnesty International and the U.S. State Department have done the same.

www.capmag.com...

www.cubaverdad.net...

Even in some other parts of the world people are waking up as to what is happening in places like Cuba. i wonder why it is that most people who claim, "Communist and other dictatorships in the world are not that bad and that Capitalism is what is causing so much suffering in the world", have never experienced, or even know what happens in these countries, yet they want to claim "it's because of Capitalism"....


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Sahara issue
Sahrawi children inhumanely treated in Cuba, former Cuban official

Morocco TIMES


Sahrawi children, who are sent to Cuba, followed military training and courses on making explosives,” testified one of the Cuban former officials, who made documentaries on the inhumane conditions of the Sahrawi children in Cuba, reported MAP news agency.

Some former Cuban senior officials confessed that children, who were snatched from their parents in Tindouf camps and deported to Cuban “Youth Island”, endured ill-treatment.

“These children followed military training and courses on the making of explosives,” said former Cuban instructor, Dariel Alarcon.

Dariel Alarcon, known as “Benigno”, testified in a documentary entitled “Cuba and Polisario Front: crime partners” that he was in charge of making Sahrawi children, barely nine years old, undergo a military training.

Alarcon, now exiled in France, recalled boats carrying an "incredibly" high number of Sahrawi children, who later were sent to "Youth island” under military control with no hope of escaping.”

“We taught children how to make home-made explosives with such products as sugar, coffee, sulphur, and nitroglycerine,” he said, revealing that during these courses “several children were killed. Their bodies should still be buried in the island if they were not exhumed,” said Alarcon.

Juan Vives, former agent of Cuban secret services, published a documentary under the title “El Magnifico” in which he described the inhumane condition of children sent from the Polisario-controlled Tindouf camps, South-west Algeria, to the Latin American country.

In the documentary, Vives said that the Moroccan Sahrawi children were sent to schools, which were established especially for them, to follow their politically oriented studies.

“Children were obliged to work in the fields in the morning and go to school in the afternoon. Some did not cease to cry, claiming their parents. It was inhumane. Some arrived so young to Cuba that they hardly remembered from where they came. And it is very inhumane,” said Vives.

www.moroccotimes.com...

and then some people ask why the United States still has sanctions against castro's regime.....

[edit on 30-10-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:45 AM
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Muaddib,

Thank You for your Informative Posts.

Still I don't see Castro Advertising his "Goods" all over Sports events and TV commercials, unlike Nike, Puma, Adidas etc. Now, tell me, don't you find at least something wrong with that? At least a little bit? I admit - after reading your posts on this subject - I see that this is not an isolated practice for Sweatshops owned by big-bad-US-colothig-corporations.

But I just have to ask you - do you find something WRONG with them also, or are you words of criticizm focused only on socialistic-communits countries of your former homeland?

But, if we want to Really criticize this issue of Child Labor and Sweatshops, we have to reach the core of the problem, which sure isn't Socialism and Commuism, but Capitalism and the spread of Global Trade which actually causes Global Poverty.


Corporations and Worker’s Rights

Structural Adjustment programs of the IMF and World Bank have led to a race to the bottom, where standards of living are continuously reduced. Labor, as one example of this, gets cheaper and cheaper which benefits the multinational companies, but not the workers themselves. Various international trade agreements that large corporations are able to strongly lobby favorable conditions in, are often designed in part to make resources (including work forces) cheaper.

So we can see, that the standards of the Majority of the population are reduced continously, which means that even labor force is getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper - which is PERFECT for strong western corporations.

So what happens if you try to go against these Corporations?



As some corporations and industries become increasingly globalized, they effect more and more people. Take for example the situation in Massachusetts — they were trying to put laws in place to prevent or restrict corporations doing business with regimes that violate certain rights of people in some way — they were pressured by a coalition of 600 major corporations in that State, saying that this is unconstitutional. The judges agreed.

The apparel industry has often been strongly criticized for the use of sweat shop-like conditions in its east Asian factories. In May 1998, for example, a panel of experts on international law condemned the violation of workers rights in the garments and sportswear industries; twelve witnesses from ten developing countries had testified on actual working conditions in the industry, pointing out seven leading transnationals: sportswear manufacturers Nike and Addidas, clothing traders H&M, Levi Strauss, C&A and Walt Disney, and the world’s biggest mail order company, Otto-Verstand.

So as we see in the situation of globalization effects more and more peole - and when these people want to stand up and fight for their rights, they are quickly and efficently denied by major corporations, who basicly just pay off the judges, which Know they are doing a bad thing, and an against the law thing; since these corporations are in business with regimes that violate certain rights of people in some way - like those in Bangladesh. But the great and powerful corporations don't give a damn about how these regimes treat people - they just know these regimes can provide a cheap labor force, which is just Perfect for them to make even more profits with such a low input cost.

That is why Nike, as mentioned above, as well as many other retail companies, use cheap labor in South East Asia, where they can get away from the tighter enforcement and regulations of USA and Europe.

Pretty Simple Logic really.

FURTHERMORE;

Remember that Levi Strauss & Company Story?


Levis: Made in China?

The classic American clothing company, Levi Strauss, is shutting its domestic factories and moving all production to China, leaving behind an increasingly anxious U.S. garment industry.

Last month, Levi Strauss & Company, a brand practically synonymous with the U.S.A., decided to shutter virtually all domestic production and shift its manufacturing overseas. While news of the layoffs -- roughly 22 percent of Levi's global workforce -- resounded heavily across the worn wooden floors of Levi's San Francisco headquarters, the halt is also bad news for America's textile industry.

Although the company hasn't remained untouched by sweatshop scandal (in 1992, the Washington Post exposed Levi's exploitation of Chinese prison labor to make jeans), Levi was the first major manufacturer to draw up a code of labor standards. Wal-Mart, and then almost all leading U.S. garment retailers, soon jumped on the bandwagon. As a whole, the industry's track record has been less than stellar -- witness the sweatshop campaigns of the 1990s -- but Levi tried to buck the trend.

So what did we Learn from this story?

Well Levis did actually try to introduce a code of standards, but it seems that Levis too has been feeling the competition pressure and in order to maximize profits and reduce costs, now also feels compelled to join the herd, so to speak, and go for cheaper labor costs.

So ofcourse they hired those cheap chidren labor to fill in the gap between the rivaling companies; and since they have been doing that for a long time now, Levis has much money to earn back.

But there is another catch, why Big Western Corporations move their factories to poorer countries - and this is most frighting one;


J.W. Smith, The World’s Wasted Wealth 2, (Institute for Economic Democracy)

If a society spends one hundred dollars to manufacture a product within its borders, the money that is used to pay for materials, labor and, other costs moves through the economy as each recipient spends it. Due to this multiplier effect, a hundred dollars worth of primary production can add several hundred dollars to the Gross National Product (GNP) of that country. If money is spent in another country, circulation of that money is within the exporting country.

This is the reason an industrialized product-exporting/commodity-importing country is WEALTHY and an undeveloped product-importing/commodity-exporting country is POOR.

Developed countries grow rich by selling capital-intensive (thus cheap) products for a high price and buying labor-intensive (thus expensive) products for a low price. This imbalance of trade expands the gap between rich and poor. The wealthy sell products to be consumed, not tools to produce. This maintains the monopolization of the tools of production, and assures a continued market for the product.

So as we can see, the Wealthy-product-exporting/commodity-importing country therefore remains WEALTHY - and the Poor-undeveloped product-importing/commodity-exporting country therefore remains POOR; which is also most excellent for the West, the Global Trade, the Globalization, the Corporations and for the Wealthy Countries who are leaders of this economic processes.

But ofcourse the price for worlds economic superpowers is payed once again by those who are completly innocent - the CHILDREN;


Child Labor

According to the UK Committee for UNICEF, poverty is the most common factor contributing to child labor. In addition, "debt, bloated military budgets and structural adjustment programmes imposed by the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, have eroded the capacity of many governments to provide education and services for children, and have also pushed up prices for basic necessities".

According to UNICEF, Somalia and USA are the only two countries in the world that have not ratified the United Nation's Convention on the Rights of the Child. The convention is the world's most widely ratified treaty. (USA have signed it, but Somalia has neither signed, nor ratified it, at the time I write this -- and Somalia doesn't currently have an internationally recognized government, which is why they cannot ratify the convention. The US have no such excuse.)

And the Circle is COMPLETE!

The major factor in the Child Labor is extreme POVERTY.

The poor countries, with cheap labor force, have no economic or political power - therefore they are weaker then one major western corporation. Meaning, as we previously established, they can quickly get influenced by them and if somebody wants to protest against these law-less companies, they are quickly denied by the conglomerate of all the major corporations all saying togather: "SCREW YOU!".

So - the poor have the cheap labor force and basicly no law against abuse and sweatshops, and the rich have the money to pay them, and they want to have a very low income cost and a big outcome cost, and what better way to do that, then to exploit those, who CAN be exploited and earn as much profits you can.

And by the way, ofcourse, maintain the poor countries poor, and make the rich countries richer, as we previously established, and I shall repeat that again, becase I find this factor to be very imporant in this cases we ara talking about in this thread:

This is the reason an industrialized product-exporting/commodity-importing country is WEALTHY and an undeveloped product-importing/commodity-exporting country is POOR.

An that is WHY;

The Top 200 corporations' combined sales are bigger than the combined economies of all countries minus the biggest 10. Of the 100 largest economies in the world, 51 are corporations; only 49 are countries!

[edit on 31/10/06 by Souljah]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 07:11 PM
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If anyone is itnerested, you can actually WATCh the interviews at the National Labor Committee's website.

Obviously this is going through the proper channels for justice, but it would be prudent to report this to your Federal agency to make them aware of our own awareness. If big business loses money, the gov loses tgax dollars. Let them know you care!

JohnMike why do you laugh? What are you trying to do for these children? At least I reported it myself to the FBI, like I have done many things I see on the news. I file a complaint to the FBI typically at least one eveyr 1-2 months from something I have read about. I am taking initiative to assist these children with my resources available to me. Unfortunately I cannot provide them with a luxury condo, with the food they need, but not many of us can. The least we can do is report it to the proper authorities and temporarily keep track of the situation.

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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:03 PM
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The problem with this, as i have stated already, is that this is a cultural problem. These people are born into a system where they are not supposed to get out of nomatter what happens.

The untouchables, being children or adults, don't have any opportunity to make it out of poverty, unless they leave Bangladesh, and any other country where the "caste system" still exists.

If anyone should be sued, and should be responsible for the inhumane treatment of children and other people like those portrayed in the original thread, are the people directly involved, such as the woman in charge of that sweatshop in Bangladesh, and then the "caste system" should be get rid of, but it is part of the belief of these people. How do you change the belief of people?

Walmart, JC Penny's or any other American, or other international companies are not the ones using these children.

You want to stop problems like this one?... Stop trying to blame everything on the United States and find out the root of the problem, from there maybe you can find what to do.

I will tell you what is going to happen with this. Walmart, JC Penny's and any other company that bought products maded by these children, I kind of doubt they knew, these companies will have to pay a certain amount of money to "supposedly" help these children, but since these children are part of a system and culture where it is believed that "if you are born poor it is because is part of your karma, and you have to stay poor for the rest of your life to learn from it", these children will be moved to another swap shop somewhere else, another unscrupulous person will take this as an oportunity to make money, and the same thing will happen all over.

The one thing American companies might be able to do, is "try" to find out how, where, and who works to make the products they sell, but the problem with this is that there are middle people in between, and they are most times not upfront with what kind of workforce they use to make products.

These sweatshops can be found all over the world, and "suing and blaming" American companies is not going to solve the problem.

BTW, if you do a research about the "untouchables", also known as the "Rishi", and other children, and people who have been used like these children were, you will find that this problem has existed for far longer than the United States has existed.


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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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Here is some information as to why children like these are used in this manner.


India's "Untouchables" Face Violence, Discrimination
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News

June 2, 2003
More than 160 million people in India are considered "Untouchable"—people tainted by their birth into a caste system that deems them impure, less than human.

Human rights abuses against these people, known as Dalits, are legion. A random sampling of headlines in mainstream Indian newspapers tells their story: "Dalit boy beaten to death for plucking flowers"; "Dalit tortured by cops for three days"; "Dalit 'witch' paraded naked in Bihar"; "Dalit killed in lock-up at Kurnool"; "7 Dalits burnt alive in caste clash"; "5 Dalits lynched in Haryana"; "Dalit woman gang-raped, paraded naked"; "Police egged on mob to lynch Dalits".

"Dalits are not allowed to drink from the same wells, attend the same temples, wear shoes in the presence of an upper caste, or drink from the same cups in tea stalls," said Smita Narula, a senior researcher with Human Rights Watch, and author of Broken People: Caste Violence Against India's "Untouchables." Human Rights Watch is a worldwide activist organization based in New York.

India's Untouchables are relegated to the lowest jobs, and live in constant fear of being publicly humiliated, paraded naked, beaten, and raped with impunity by upper-caste Hindus seeking to keep them in their place. Merely walking through an upper-caste neighborhood is a life-threatening offense.

Nearly 90 percent of all the poor Indians and 95 percent of all the illiterate Indians are Dalits, according to figures presented at the International Dalit Conference that took place May 16 to 18 in Vancouver, Canada.


news.nationalgeographic.com...

The same thing happens in Bangladesh and other countries where the "caste system exists".



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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I am most definetly not blaming the American companies. It is in fact true that they pretty much never know about it until its in the spotlight. My reports to the FBI are in hopes they can get with INTERPOL and come down on the local jurisdiction of that sweatshop so that those slave-drivers can have international justice take a bite out of their ass.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:24 PM
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The problem with the global corperate system is not a US one, however since most of the home bases for these multinationals are in the US, it is the US that can do the most to stop them. However, that would risk the same multinationals from leaving the State they are in(and taking their taxes with them) so most politicians will not do it.

Sadly the globalists have paid off the politicians, and politicians are the same everywhere. They don't care about the people they are supposed to serve, they only care about their pay. Additionally sad, is that it seems to have caused most others to think the same way.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
I am most definetly not blaming the American companies. It is in fact true that they pretty much never know about it until its in the spotlight. My reports to the FBI are in hopes they can get with INTERPOL and come down on the local jurisdiction of that sweatshop so that those slave-drivers can have international justice take a bite out of their ass.


I'm completely against child/slave labor.

But you do realise that if your campaign is successful these children will simply lose there jobs, and then procede to starve to death because countries like this dont have social security systems or indeed anything you take forgranted in place to ensure they are fed.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 08:35 PM
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I can not believe that People here are blaming anybody else but the greedy companies that knows what they are doing when they move from the US to third world countries to have slaves labor manufacturing their goods so they can get all the profits while selling the sweat of this type of labor to us at higher prices.

This is greed, greed and the power to do it.

And having people like the ones taking the blame from the corporate world to say that is not their fault.

Shame on all.


They know exactly what is going on and turn a blind eye to the fact.

If this corporations were so much into American and Americans they would not be moving their operations oversea while middle class American is dying for the out sourcing of jobs.

They do not give a darn about the children's working in the sweat shops and they do no given a darn about the jobs they take away from Americans to make their margin profits.

Wake up and learn who is running our nation. Corruption.

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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by NumberCruncher

Originally posted by DYepes
I am most definetly not blaming the American companies. It is in fact true that they pretty much never know about it until its in the spotlight. My reports to the FBI are in hopes they can get with INTERPOL and come down on the local jurisdiction of that sweatshop so that those slave-drivers can have international justice take a bite out of their ass.


I'm completely against child/slave labor.

But you do realise that if your campaign is successful these children will simply lose there jobs, and then procede to starve to death because countries like this dont have social security systems or indeed anything you take forgranted in place to ensure they are fed.


With all due respect, I call this FUD. Pure and unadulterated FUD. Our mode of economics may suit us(Then again it may not - were you ever given a chioce, are you even aware there are other chioces?), but it doesn't suit a great many people. If all corperations, everywhere suddenly disappeared, do you really think life ends? Heck even business doesn't end - it just becomes human again. Corperations didn't event commerce, nor did they even perfect it. In fact, the more large multinationals you have, the less capitalistic you can claim your country is.

Please, please, please watch the corperation. It is on youtube in 20 minute sections. Watch when these corperations due in these parts of the world. Making the act of saving seeds - illegal. Privatizing a countries water supply(Including the rain). This is abhorent, and the only reason it goes on, IMO, is that people in the west simply don't know, or chose to look the other way as long as they still get their nikes, or what have you.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:30 PM
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Tell us Marg why haven't you spoken against "the caste system" these children and others are victims of?...

And could you tell us how you will solve the "caste system" problem in places like Bangladesh?....

Perhaps the shame should be on you for not informing yourself as to this problem.

Have you tried to inform yourself to what is really happening to these children?....

Do you do know that people who are part of this "caste system" do "literally" sell their arms and legs and other body parts to feed their families?......

Marg...this has been happening for millenia all over the world, and it is a shame, but it still happens.

The writer in that link that Souljah gave is very quick to claim "it is all the fault of JC Penny, Walmart, etc, etc, but did he really find a direct connection, or did he just claim "it is because of American corporations"?...

I would like to see some "real evidence" that links the owners of these stores as knowing and abeiting what was happening in that "sweatshop" in "Bangladesh".

Marg, many people in other countries earn less than most people in most western countries.

i am right now in Houston in school with two friends from Venezuela, two from Colombia, two from Congo, two from Brazil, one from the U.K., two Italians and two Americans, and myself.

We were talking about the amount of money we all make and you wouldn't believe the differences in salaries, some people from those latin american countries make 3-4 times less money than people with minimal wage in the U.S. Some don't live so bad, others can barely make it from month to month, it is a fact and it is also a fact that companies will hire people who get paid less to do jobs that most Americans would reject for the salary they are getting paid.

If there was any real evidence to support the claim that the owners of these companies knew for certain children were being used to work as slaves, i would say sue their backsides and send them to prison, but things are not as simple as you would like them to be, there are "cultural differences" and beliefs which difer from what you know.

Let me show you some of the things that happens to these children.


Child Jockeys: 40,000 children on slave labour as ‘child camel jockeys’ in Middle East and Arab countries

The Pakistan’s renowned human rights activist Ansar Burney has said that some fourty thousand innocent children mostly from Asian countries including Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are working on slave labour as ‘child camel jockeys’ in miserable circumstances in UAE and Middle East and Arab countries. Chairman of the Ansar Burney Welfare Trust International, Prisoners Aid Society and Bureau of Missing and Kidnapped Children, Ansar Burney by profession a senior lawyer, who practically rescued hundreds of such children, whose ages are from one and a half year to three from the most miserable circumstances said on Friday that further 40,000 innocent children are waiting for Ansar Burney Welfare Trust Int’l to rescue to save their precious lives. Ansar Burney said that last month a four-year boy from Pakistan felt down from camel and died when camels ran away on his body, in another incidence last week
another Pakistani one and a half year old boy fell off from camel and lost his legs in UAE. Ansar Burney, known as ‘human rights Angel’ said that more than fourty thousand (40,000) innocent children are living in most miserable circumstances and also dieing in a very miserable conditions for which one cannot even imagine. “These innocent children of humanity are living in iron tents, without electricity in the temperature of above 50 degree centigrade (above 100 degree Fahrenheit), where the sexual abuse is common”. Ansar Burney said. Ansar Burney Welfare Trust International has rescued hundreds of such children from the slave labour and rehabilitated them in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Sudan, Ethiopia and other parts of the world. Years of abuse has led these children to have their upper legs flesh rubbed away, their bones being damaged as well as their body structures. The gruesome
idea of making these innocent children disabled at such a young age is an enjoyable sport! Injuries are a common factor; over the years the injury deteriorates and causes long term defects in the lower part of the body. They even lost their sexual ability because of use them as child camel jockeys from the age of one and a half year or start from two years of age and used them till the age of seven. “These children will face problems once and if they
start a family. The riding and rubbing on the camels continuously will be damaging on their sexuality. The
ill treatment of these employers and traffickers is very upsetting but very true. Some children are also abused and taken advantage of by traffickers and their employers”. Ansar Burney added. Ansar Burney, of the Ansar Burney Welfare Trust International, only charity working practically to free the child jockeys, said: "These children are
purposely underfed so that their weights are kept down. "The food they’re given in the camps is very dirty and
unhygienic. They have to feed the camels, but are beaten if they try to eat the animals’ good food. They are allowed to eat only half bread in 24 hours. They get up early 3 O’clock in the morning and go to sleep at 9 at night; they work for 18 hours a day, while the ages of these children are one and a half year old to six years. They are continuously on slave labourwithout any rest, 7 days a week and 375 days a year and work for 18 hours per day.

acr.hrschool.org...

This unfortunately happens all over the world, and much of the cause of this problem is because of the "culture and belief" of some people.




[edit on 31-10-2006 by Muaddib]



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:38 PM
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Yes Muadibb Yo estudie el sistema the castas in college.


But still it doesn't give an excuse for corporations to move into those countries and abuse their already oppress systems over the populations.

When they can stay in the US and give worthy jobs to Americans so they can live a decent live and afford health care insurance and stop depending on the welfare system.

Remember it was a time when manufacturing jobs where the hart and soul of the middle class in America.

These corporations know what they are looking for in third world countries, cheap labor[slave labor] and that includes children labor.

All for profits.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 09:38 PM
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posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 10:28 PM
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Well that is nice,

But . . . does anybody cares what is going on in the US and the out sourcing of jobs?

So corporations can go to third world countries and bring "prosperity" (to the oppressing regimes) while our nation suffer the consequences because we do not allow child labor and pracice human rights at least within our borders right?



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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We already have a caste system in the first world and its called money!



I find it offensive that retailers that make mega profits see stuff on the floor at high prices which costs $.10 on the dollar to make.



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Well that is nice,

But . . . does anybody cares what is going on in the US and the out sourcing of jobs?

So corporations can go to third world countries and bring "prosperity" (to the oppressing regimes) while our nation suffer the consequences because we do not allow child labor and pracice human rights at least within our borders right?



Yes many people do care, Buy American Made (or whatever made in which country you live) its a popular slogan to keep jobs in your country, but at the end of the day money talks and Bull# walks, if you go intoa store and want to purchase a pencil, the USA made one is $3 and the Bangladesh one is 30cents, chances are your going to take the bangladesh one, but that being said buying local made is sometimes over rated, that pencil probably cost the importer a fraction of a cent and all that mark up stays in America.

So you see buying foreign made still brings profit, and creates jobs regardless of country of origin.

By the way, Grats on the new Nephew, the "special" people are born on Halloween



posted on Oct, 31 2006 @ 11:25 PM
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Marg, its a global world now. Instead of keeping jobs here focus on either creating them here, or adapting to new skills to compete as a global player, not a national player. The age of Nationalism is coming to an end. Everything and everyone is to be competeing globally. By forcing the jobs to stay here you are forcing the country to fall into decline.

Go to ebay or yahoo auctions. How many Americans have their own onlien sjops now? Type any word into froogle and you come up with hundreds or thousands of American online businesses selling any range of goods and services to the world. They procure these goods from the world. Read the book called "The World Is Flat" and you may understand and be able to break out of the old world nationalist thinking. I love America more than anything, but forcing low skill jobs to stay here is not going to help our country the least bit.

Contrary to what you believe, the majority of overseas factories are not in fact child slave labor or even adult slave labor. they may make significantly less than what we in the developed world make, but when you factor in currency values and cost of living in thier respective home nations, they are actually living much better than those of their predecessors.

China is fast becoming a devloped land, and their citizens are enjoying the same luxuries as Europeans, Americans and many others on a level unheard of in hisory. The same is to be said in India. And may I say, India is producing some finely skilled workers for the global market.

So you see, the New World Order is on the way, and you will actually be wlecoming it in with open arms without realizing it.



posted on Nov, 1 2006 @ 07:47 AM
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Remember when Kathy Lee Gifford was manufacturing clothes with the label - 'No child labour was used to make these clothes. The little girl from (I forget which one) a third world country came forward to tell congress that she was sewing clothes for Kathy for starvation wages. At least the cuban dock-workers were adults.

The little girl almost didn't make it past the armed guards to tell the human rights workers.



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