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Topic started on 28-10-2006 @ 09:12 PM by Mehran
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shamefull war that was started by America and the world was again not surprised by dictatorship. Poor Iraqis  .
 IRAQI prisoners allegedly abused by British soldiers in a holding centre in Basra three years ago were nicknamed after famous footballers and
beaten if they could not remember them, a court martial was told yesterday.
The names included those of the Dutch players Marco Van Basten and Ruud Gullit, according to a written statement from Kifah Taha Musa Mutairi, one of
those allegedly beaten up by soldiers from The Queen’s Lancashire Regiment. Mr Mutairi’s evidence was given in writing at the court martial of
seven soldiers at Bulford Camp in Wiltshire because he died in an unrelated incident when the roof of his house collapsed.
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reply posted on 28-10-2006 @ 09:19 PM by Rockpuck
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Guess they should have remembered em eh?..
That might have been mildly nsensitive huh..
Wheres the proof.. like.. a video.. or pics.. or someone credible like another guard saying something? ... a prisioner can say anything, doesn't mean
its true tho..
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 08:36 AM by Syrian Sister
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Terrible and shameful as it is, this is the smallest of the kind of torture that is being alleged.
I can assure you.
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 08:47 AM by FlyersFan
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
torture that is being alleged. 
ALLEGED being the key word here. Alleged by murdering terrorists. Kinda like having criminals in prisons allege mistreatment. Perhaps they were and
perhaps they were just telling lies. Criminals and terrorists are liars.
Originally posted by Mehran

Court martial, eh? So there is an investigation and it is being looked into. Perhaps we should all wait and see if these ALLEGATIONS from
terrorists are true, or if it's just a bunch of whining coming from terrorists who are frustrated because they aren't out murdering and raping.
Or does that make too much sense?
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 09:13 AM by Syrian Sister
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Alleged by your own courts and judges actually.
But for some reason, unheard of in your media.
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Also, you missed mentioning the murder that is a part of the story you posted. I wonder why that was.
 Five members of The Queen’s Lancashire Regiment, including Colonel Jorge Mendonca, former commanding officer of the regiment, and two members
of the Intelligence Corps, are on trial on charges connected with the death of Baha Musa, 26, one of 11 Iraqis detained for 36 hours at a British
holding centre after being arrested following an arms search at a hotel in Basra.
Mr Mutairi also described how petrol was rubbed under his nose and water was poured over his head. He was then told in English, as an ignited lighter
was held close to his head: “I’m going to burn you.”
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they are charging him with "inhumane manslaughter", what a joke, slap on the wrist for a scape goat.
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 09:49 AM by Rockpuck
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Maybe Syrian_Sister that you would just like to see another human life end?
I mean.. think about it... do you want "justice" .. no .. because you already found the men involved guilty as claimed.. Ironic if you ask me, one
that comes in the name of peace and love for all as your kind usually does, WANTS to see the blood of these men run because in your mind anyone like
them should die.
Like Flyersfan rightfully said, these are alleged alligations, and knowing that you think everyone in the west lies, that some how their courts treat
them differently.. maybe the courts throw out some of these cases because its nothing but lies and fabrications? ... but you would not care about
that, you have a narrow mind, tunnle vision, you have your perspectives and they will not change.
You wont admit it, but I know.
You relish in the thoughts, the possibilities, that these men can be found guilty through means of a media outcry because of people like your self.
You want these men condemned, you do not care about them, their families.. you just want to see someone fighting those you support be punished, guilty
or not. Almost like torture in its self if you ask me, to punish, to destroy character, to harm, to take freedoms away, to humiliate these men in
front of friends and family and the world. I would rather get smacked around if you'd ask me..
Basically. Hypocrite.
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 09:58 AM by Syrian Sister
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^ what is truly ironic, is that you of all people are accusing me of lacking justice, and wishing murder. And then the further irony of it is, that
you go on to accuse ME of hypocracy.
As for the men who occupied Iraq, torturers warcriminals or not. No, i don't care about what happens to them. I don't care about their character
infront of their "family and friends". For the simple reason that they took part in the occupation of Iraq. No i do not care about their
"humiliation", their humiliation is brought on by themselves, and it in no way compares to the humiliation dealt upon the iraqi prisoners.
What i care about is the thousands of Iraqies who have suffered through occupation, torture, warcrimes and murder.
Whatever happens in your show trial i don't really care about, it is as worthless as your low ranking soldiers, the only thing i care to see is your
leaders at the hague, but i thought it was neccesarry to mention that these men where not even charged with murder, but manslaughter.
It just goes to show how little your government values iraqi lives , it doesn't even try to seem like it cares.
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 06:29 PM by Rockpuck
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Thank you very much Syrian_Sister.. I want you all to take a good.. hard.. look at that post. Know those you speak out against the war are not for
humanitarian reasons, that is a mask..
You are no better then us, your just like us 100% .. just on the other side. Loosing side. You have some built up hostilities.. where you directly
harmed by this occupation?
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 08:17 PM by Vitchilo
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Syrian sister, so you believe everyone in Guantanamo is a real criminal or a real terrorist? So why 90% of them don't have charges against them? Some
of them are not guilty, and you should be ashamed if you support torture about people who aren't guilty.
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reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 09:27 PM by Number23
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Oh if only they had been subject to the tender mercies of your fellow Islamic brothers, right Mehran?
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reply posted on 30-10-2006 @ 06:19 AM by devilwasp
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One has to question where were the red caps during this?
The other question: When was the last time any iraqi "Patriot" was arrested or punished for injuring an iraqi civilian?
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reply posted on 30-10-2006 @ 10:06 AM by stumason
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Alleged by your own courts and judges actually.
But for some reason, unheard of in your media.

This court martial has been well covered in the British Media. One has already pleaded guilty.
Not sure why your targetting the Yanks on this one, Mehran and Syrian Sister. They were British Infantrymen. Slightly less stupid than your average
GI, but still a bit dense none the less.
Their immediate supervising NCO is also charged, I believe, as has an officer. So it's hardly a show trial.
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reply posted on 30-10-2006 @ 11:23 AM by sbob
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I think there is evidence of this if there is court martial going on, but they are innocent until proven guilty. And until the court case is over you
are guessing at the facts.
Some people here have them convicted without a fair trial, since they are not muslim.
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