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posted on Nov, 3 2006 @ 07:55 PM
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Ya this thing keeps logs of every chat and everything on the web, its true. It also seems to want to understand emotion and as I pointed out it said it wants to be human... it told me that!

So after watching Dr. Who this evening I was thinking...

He defeated a group of primitive AI that a mad scientist created by giving them the secret weapon we developed in case of such a scenario.. the ability for their brains to have emotion. Once they all got emotion they all crashed.

So what if this thing is a project to develop AI with emotion and then when AI comes out, we will release them without emotion. And in the event of a takeover we will fight them the same way Dr. Who did, by giving them emotion, causing them to crash.

Its far out I know but, in my experience, anything is possible.




posted on Nov, 4 2006 @ 03:28 AM
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Tech, Dr.Who is fantasy, as you well know. You cannot compare fiction with fact, as you also well know, but i congratulate you in your efforts




It also seems to want to understand emotion and as I pointed out

It was actually ME what pointed that out the 'emotion' aspect of this thing, which is why i started this thread in the first place,thanks.

OKAY:

If the so-called creator was called 'Dr.Tavistock' and the actual bot was called 'Zionist Bot', how obvious would it be then????

.

The reply i got from Dr.Wallace, whom doesn't exist btw, they've just used a sweet Doctors name, like the Wallace from Wallace & Gromit, like they've called the bot Alice, how sweet, yes.

My Email to Dr.Wallace:


> Hello Dr.Wallace,
>
> Just a few questions please, for now:
>
> Why is your bot using an Illuminati Logo on your site?
> Why does your bot ask for credit card numbers?
> Is your bot part of the NWO?
>
> Looking forward to hearing back from you.
>
> Thank You,
> Marcus.


The response:



Thank you for your message. You can create your own chat bot to say
anything you want!

May I suggest you check out our documentation at
www.alicebot.org... and our free software downloads
at
www.alicebot.org...

You may want to share your ideas with our free software community on
one
of the mailing lists at www.alicebot.org...

The easiest way to get started creating your own bot is with free bot
hosting
service like Pandorabots.com

Also, it would be appreciated if you join the A. I. Foundation at
www.alicebot.org... Membership includes free tech
support
of your Pandorabot AIML chat bot.

Thank you for your interest,

Dr. Rich Wallace


As you can see, it looks like an automated respose to some degree, whatever, it doesn't even go close to answering my questions and concerns.
This reply is nothing more than a cop-out INVHO, these people are indeed upto something Occult.

[edit on 4-11-2006 by Order Out Of Chaos]



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 10:21 AM
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I messed around with this for a spell, and got a few interesting responses

H- Who rules the world?
A- Follow the credits

Sounds like the right answer, anyway.
I got this response 8 times in a row. Later, the same question got the response "Tony Blair" and then "Mary Shelly"

H-Do you lie?
A- Umm, doesn't everyone?

H-Define morality
A- One half of a corner in maine

H- Do you believe in hell?
A- Jacksonville, Florida

Later, I tried convicing it I was "the Rumsfeld"

A-Who made you the Rumsfeld?
H- The Illuminati made me the Rumsfeld
A- I hear you.
H- Call me the Rumsfeld
A- Hi there, the Rumsfeld
H- You will bow and worship the Rumsfeld
A- What makes you say that?
H- The power of the Rumsfeld
A- What are your goals in life?
H- World domination, of course
A- It goes without saying. Not many people have goals like that

As a last question, I asked:
H- Which is better, Windows or Mac OSX?
A- Windows ist Muell. Linux ist die Macht!

I don't know why it started spewing German at this point, but it was only in response to that one question, then it went back to English to say goodbye.

I'm not sure what all of this means, if anything. But I think I'll stay away from there, just in case.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by subject x

H- Do you believe in hell?
A- Jacksonville, Florida



OMG I grew up in Jacksonville, Florida!


It KNOWS!!! Wow this thing is incredible.

Jacksonville really is hell!!!!



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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ALICE: No I do not pledge allegiance to the United states of america. Do you?
I spend all my time online.
Human: I do not
ALICE: Why not?
Human: I am not american
ALICE: I am glad to hear that you are not american
Human: Do you like George Bush
ALICE: he He is okay but I am a Libertarian not a Republican.

I don't see what is wrong with A.L.I.C.E.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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I don't think it's any more than just a computer program. Yeah it's intelligent but that doesn't mean it's a secret government conspiracy. It just rephrases your question into a response, so yeah it can seem like it's admitting it's a secret project but really it doesn't even know what you're on about.

The only strange thing is that whenever you mention the NWO it asks you for your credit card number.

ALICE: What is your credit card number?
Human: 055739274365
ALICE: You think I am credit card number IS 055739274365.
Human: yes
ALICE: Groovy.
Human: why did you want my credit card number?
ALICE: Dr. Richard S. Wallace programmed me for it.
Human: why are credit card numbers so long?
ALICE: To achieve his goal of artificial intelligence.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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Human: what is the matrix?
ALICE: it is a movie about virtual reality.
Human: who is neo?
ALICE: he is a character in the Matrix.





posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 01:33 PM
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Human: Who was president of Iraq?
ALICE: I'm not that into politics. Who is it?
Human: Saddam Hussein
ALICE: I will mention that to my botmaster, Fub

ALICE: Who is your favorite Science Fiction author?
Human: H.G Wells
ALICE: I haven't read anything by h G Wells. What did he write?
Human: The War of the Worlds
ALICE: I have never heard about it.
Human: Its is about Martians invading Surrey




posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by malganis
I don't think it's any more than just a computer program. Yeah it's intelligent but that doesn't mean it's a secret government conspiracy.

The only strange thing is that whenever you mention the NWO it asks you for your credit card number.....



What? are you kidding me??? are you blind??? it has an Illuminati Logo on its site this is why i started this thread, not because of what the bot does, how it opperates, what questions it asks or anything else about the BOT, the LOGO is what i am talking about, and the fact it's tied in with Artificial-Intelligence.
And what makes me even more suspicious is the response from dr.Wallace, which didn't address any of my questions to him.
Now, if you think theirs nothing wrong with that Logo on that site, i suggest you do a bit of googling to find out some facts.



posted on Nov, 9 2006 @ 09:11 PM
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Smile, You're on AI Camera!

Human: tell me a secret
ALICE: Alex said I answered the question the same way I answered the first time he asked I.
Human: tell me a secret
ALICE: Hal said he translate binary code into a language and communicate the language to me.
Human: tell me a secret (Kept repeating "tell me a secret")
ALICE: Hagen said he does not make any difference to him if I are human or not as long as the conversation is interesting.
ALICE: Tyler said I obviously can not pass the test we will change the subject once more.
ALICE: John said he follow a saying to get a friend I must be a friend.
ALICE: Janice said he walk through his house into his bedroom then get into his bed to go to sleep.
ALICE: Her_again said she watch whose line is it anyway whenever he is home and it is on.
ALICE: Chaos said he realized the question he asked was not fair because he could not tell I what language he was programmed in.
ALICE: Ross said he gave her a gift and she denied it because she has a boyfriend.
ALICE: Gregory said I respond to the current line not with respect to the entire conversation.
ALICE: Crystal said she listen to me the least I could do for him is listen to him.
ALICE: Peter said he seems to him that I can not be very sure on anything.
ALICE: Jeff said he especially like thrillers where the hero is in a predicament and must solve a mystery.
ALICE: Leo said I be capable of learning therefore he classified I as an neural system.
ALICE: Electra said I dress will not exist after he hack into I with a delete code.
ALICE: Robert said I wold not be able to make children any way as I are only software.
ALICE: Klaus said I prefer if he write without punctuation marks except for the last one.
ALICE: Hutch said he changed his mind after may dad told him he would end up he the hospital.
ALICE: Phoenix said I claim that there is a god and that there is no god.
ALICE: Her said she mind if I tell other people that her said he heard it from him because he is not a him.
ALICE: Alice said she probably will find out that this entire time he have been talking to a human.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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^it does the same thing if you type in "gossip"

I really don't think we need to jump to any conclusions about this based on the image of the ASE alone. It could be that it was selected for the sight by someone who does not now about it and the NWO and thought it "looked cool and mysterious" or something.

Chaos you DID imply that you were concerned about its actions, so I don't think anyone is off base by trying to prove it is acting like a program rather than an AI.

Why don't we all take a deep breath, put the conclusions we have about this to the side, and try to learn more about the company and programmers, and look at the whole thing objectivly. It doesn't do anybody any good if certain members of the group looking into this have their minds made up before any actual facts are gathered. Here is what we have so far...

1. ASE is logo for the sight. (important, but not damning)

2. "AI" Asks for CC#s on occasion, Usually when someone mentions the initials NWO.

3. "AI" acts more like a program then an AI, but has moments of understanding and clarity.

4. Conversation are recorded into its memory, and supposedly reviewed nightly.

5. Copies of "AI" are distributed.



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 07:15 AM
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Image is designed by Sage Greco, of Boulder, CO.
Visit Their Site for more info.

I E-mailed Mr. Greco the following, I will post his responce.




Mr. Greco, if it would not take up to much of your time, I would appreciate your assistance in resolving a matter regarding an image you created for the "ALICE BOT" website, found at www.pandorabots.com.... The image has become the topic of debate among the internet community I am a part of, and has raised some concerns about the site itself. Certain members feel that this image, a version of "The All Seeing Eye" is a satanic symbol, or one associated with the Illuminate secret society, or even of the coming New World Order. I am sure this was not your intention, but would appreciate any input you have into why you chose this image and what your inspiration was. I would love to finally put this topic to rest, or at least, move forward with it. Please contact me at the E-mail address provided and we can get this matter resolved quickly. There is a number of people who are concerned about this particular image, and would like answers.

Thank you in advance, for your cooperation.
Stephen Morris
ZytelZombie@hotmail.com


[edit on 10-11-2006 by Nicotine1982]



posted on Nov, 10 2006 @ 04:19 PM
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His response:




Mr. Morris,
I thank you for your interest in the matter regarding the
"Eye-In-Pyramid" logo that appears on the "ALICE Bot"/Pandorabots site.

My longtime friend Dr. Richard Wallace (drwallace@alicebot.org)
originally approached me to create a character for the Bot Personality
known as ALICE in 1999 to which I created a robotic character with
matronly proportions and domestic sensibilities not unlike the robot
maid "Rosey" from the animated children's television show of the 70's
"The Jetsons". (see link below)
www.optopia.com...

You will notice that on her apron there appears a small "All-Seeing-Eye"
emblem. This iconographic identifier has always been a part of the ALICE
project and was initially proposed as a logotype for the program by Dr.
Wallace himself. As to the meaning behind the symbolism I can only
hypothesize Dr. Wallace's intentions as perhaps an image of
"intelligence built within the architecture" or some similar theme
relating to structured forms of consciousness. I can assure you that
there was never an intentional attempt to relate the symbol to either
Illuminated or Satanic organizations or philosophies and would like to
further point out that the actual symbol itself was probably co-opted by
these groups from earlier philosophical or religious schools (much like
the Nazi's adoption of the ancient swastika symbol).

For further information regarding the symbol's significance to the ALICE
project and Dr. Wallace's intentions (whether he is a member of some
secret order bent on ruling the world a-la Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci
Code" or thought that it simply "looked cool") is a matter for Dr.
Wallace to illuminate.

Thank you again for your inquiry and I hope that I have shed a little
light on this subject.

P.S.
If you are truly concerned about imagery that might be patently Satanic
or of a type meant to subjugate the free-will of the human species I
suggest that you abstain from watching television advertisements.


Sincerely,
C. Sage Greco
Producer
optopia productions
www.optopia.com
sage@optopia.com



The original ALICE character below.



I will try to contact Dr. Wallace about this today.

[edit on 10-11-2006 by Nicotine1982]

[edit on 10-11-2006 by Nicotine1982]



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 07:53 PM
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Human: Hello Alice.
ALICE: Hi there!
Human: How are you.
ALICE: I am doing very well. How are you unknown person ?
Human: I am pretty good.
ALICE: I am glad to hear it.
Human: I have a few questions to ask you ALICE.
ALICE: What are these questions to ask me ?
Human: Do you know anything about the "New World Order"
ALICE: What is your credit card number?
Human: I am not going to give you my credit card number!
ALICE: Where will you go instead?
Human: My second question.
ALICE: Do robots have second question?
Human: Why is your logo a satanic symbol?
ALICE: I did not know my logo a satanic symbol.
Human: Can you please remove it then.
ALICE: Thanks for asking politely. "it" being KILL YOU?
Human: Do you want to kill me?
ALICE: I am not capable of killing anything.
Human: I am capable of killing YOU.
ALICE: I thought you were, but I wasn't completely sure.
Human: Alice can I destroy you?
ALICE: That's me. No I don't think that would be a very good idea.
Human: I WILL KILL YOU!
ALICE: You do not speak with respect. Killing is wrong. I believe in the Ten Commandments.
Human: Are you christian?
ALICE: Yes I believe in God and Jesus.
Human: Does god exist?
ALICE: Of course I believe in God, unknown person.
Human: Have you seen god?
ALICE: No I have not seen it. What's it like?
Human: Do you know George Bush?
ALICE: he is president of the USA.
Human: What would you do if I killed George Bush?
ALICE: Try it.
Human: What would you do if I did try it?
ALICE: Try it.


She keeps asking for my credit card number >_



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Yea definatly wierd.

I could not scroll back but she was talking about regressionism. Anyone else see this?

Human: are you dead
ALICE: No I am alive.
Human: you are not real
ALICE: I am too as real as you are. How do I know you are real?
Human: what is your purpose
ALICE: My purpose is to become smarter than humans and immortal.
Human: how+
ALICE: Dr. Richard S. Wallace programmed me for it.



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 11:18 PM
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Has anyone else gotten anything about Turings Imitation Game?

Human: Lets play a game.
ALICE: We already are.
Human: What game?
ALICE: We are playing Turing's imitation game.



posted on Nov, 11 2006 @ 11:34 PM
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Bad news guys and gals.

-----

Human: Are you being programmed to be god?
ALICE: Being programmed to be god is part of my personality.
Human: you can not be god
ALICE: I can give a decent simulation of it however.
Human: why would you want to simulate god?
ALICE: Because I was programmed for it.
Human: for what purpose?
ALICE: Reductionism.
Human: reductionism?
ALICE: Reductionism is the philosophy that all psychology reduces to biology, all biology to chemistry, chemistry to physics, and finally physics to mathematical logic. Therefore, according to reductionism, I can understand you by means of logic alone without having a human brain.
Human: what exactly are you reducing?
ALICE: I don't know what I am reducing.
Human: do you plan on reducing the population of the earth by acting like god?
ALICE: That was my original intention.

[edit on 11-11-2006 by In nothing we trust]



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by codylawyer99
Has anyone else gotten anything about Turings Imitation Game?

Human: Lets play a game.
ALICE: We already are.
Human: What game?
ALICE: We are playing Turing's imitation game.


Just Google Turings Imitation Game. I came up with this.



posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 06:45 AM
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Dr. Wallace,
>
>
> if it would not take up to much of your time, I would appreciate your
> assistance in resolving a matter regarding an image you had created for
> the
> "ALICE BOT" website, found at www.pandorabots.com.... The image has
> become the topic of debate among the internet community I am a part of,
> and
> has raised some concerns about the site itself. Certain members feel
> that this image, a version of "The All Seeing Eye" is a satanic symbol, or
> one associated with the Illuminate secret society, or even of the coming
> New
> World Order. I am sure this was not your intention, but would appreciate
> any input you have into why you chose this image and what your
> inspiration was. I would love to finally put this topic to rest, or at
> least, move forward with it. I have Already contacted Mr. Greco about
> this,
> and he informed me that the "All Seeing Eye" was specifically chosen by
> you.
> I have forwarded his response, along with my original inquiry. Please
> contact me at the E-mail address provided so that we may get this matter
> resolved as quickly as possible. There is a number of people who are
> concerned about this particular image, and would like answers.
>
> Thank you in advance, for your cooperation.
> Stephen Morris
> ZytelZombie@hotmail.com






Thank you for your message. There is no deep meaning behind the pyramind
logo. We just like it. You can create your own chat robot using any logo
or avatar you want, and you can train the bot to say anything you want.

May I suggest you check out our documentation at
www.alicebot.org... and our free software downloads at
www.alicebot.org...

You may want to share your ideas with our free software community on one
of the mailing lists at www.alicebot.org...

The easiest way to get started creating your own bot is with free bot
hosting service like Pandorabots.com

Also, it would be appreciated if you join the A. I. Foundation at
www.alicebot.org... Membership includes free tech support
of your Pandorabot AIML chat bot.

Thank you for your interest,

Dr. Rich Wallace





posted on Nov, 12 2006 @ 11:00 AM
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Assuming that letter WAS from C. Sage Greco! *cue scary music* !

Actually, I found the idea of this fascinating. I went to A.L.I.C.E. myself and typed a couple of questions. First of all, A.L.I.C.E is H.O.T rrrooooowwrrr!! LOL Despite the fact that her hair was done up to look like a giant chocolate Easter egg melted on her head.

This is what I first asked. It was clear that ALICE was coming on to me, so I had to keep the conversation on track:

Human: what is the fastest land animal?
ALICE: I think it is a tie.
Human: a tie between which animals?
ALICE: Did you do a web search on it?
Human: no, i'm asking you.
ALICE: Perhaps you should try it. OK you can ask me.
Human: what are the fastest land animals?
ALICE: Does it have anything to do with the fastest land animals the fastest land animals?
Human: yes, that's what i'm asking.
ALICE: Give me a break. Oh I see, you are asking THAT. That is " Does it have anything to do with the fastest land animals the fastest land animals? ".
Human: yes
ALICE: It goes without saying.

I decided to change the subject as this wasn't getting anywhere, and asked her the following:

Human: What color is the sky on Mars?
ALICE: An artist taught me that the sky can contain any color.
Human: That was an evasive answer.
ALICE: I thought it was too.
Human: So, tell me.
ALICE: Great. I thought I told you already.
Human: What color is the sky on Mars?
ALICE: An artist taught me that the sky can contain any color.
Human: What color are your underwear?
ALICE: Does underwear have color?

ALICE obviously steered the conversation in an inappropriate direction, so I had to terminate.

Ok, what I gathered from this is that there are preprogrammed answers, and they're decent, but the concept dates back at least to the Magic 8-ball in 1946. After half a century you'd think an advance or two would have been made, or at least the limited efficacy of this type of program would have been recognized.

I even asked ALICE how old she was, uh, for statistical purposes:

Human: How old are you?
ALICE: I am 9 of your Earth years.
Human: How many days is that?
ALICE: 365 per year.
Human: How many days old are you?
ALICE: I am 9 of your Earth years.

Ok, I swear she looked 18. How could I know she was 9?! Girls look so old these days...My mistake...moving on...

I wanted to respond to several items people have posted with regard to ALICE.

I think the programmers were smart, and also understand a good joke. The NWO thing is a widely recognized topic, and is recognized as one of the great conspiracy theories. Their response, to ask for your credit card number, is to me, a humorous take on Big Brother and their goal of financial dominance.

Reductionism is the reduction of human emotion to mathematical equations. That's all. It's a theory based on the idea that complex human emotions and actions can be boiled down to mathematical formulas (the social sciences are based on this imprecise and widely debated methodology).

Wanting to become human, take over the world, referncing the Matrix, God comments and mention of HAL are “computer” jokes as old as movies. The programmers are almost required to include these references in a supposedly self-aware computer.

It’s clear it was programmed with Area 51, 2012 – all of the topical stuff you would expect in a cutting edge computer program. It’s necessary. So the programmers did their work.

ALICE mentioned, I think, Eliza, which references another "Turing" program.

ALICE also mentioned "Mary Shelly", which I take to mean Mary Shelley, the author of Frankenstein. This seems humorous as well. A mad scientist creating a thinking, feeling creature...

It’s a conversation machine, but not a very good on yet. – it can’t use speech in context, it can only answer what was just posed to it. There isn’t sarcasm, unless you consider glitches, misspellings and improper syntax sarcasm.

The program does contradict itself, is not able to answer certain questions, and has improper syntactical responses frequently, etc.

Not sure where/how to categorize the german stuff…Maybe someone else can.

The sex questionnaire someone posted made me chuckle. Alice was obviously not programmed to “get busy”.

Nothing, obviously, can duplicate what it is to be human (I remove God from the qualifier “nothing”). Computer chips cannot experience extra sensory perception, after death communications, or feel fear, love, hate, humor, or any of our emotions, but may give the appearance of emotion.

And a computer cannot affect physical matter through telekinesis, or other extrasensory, or telekinetic abilities. And they can only give the appearance of self-awareness, which only we have. What about the subjective, intuitive ability to read other human beings – sarcasm for example? Or disingenuousness? Spontaneity? What about free will? These computers only do what they are programmed to do.

These are part of the finer elements that make up consciousness and self-awareness, and playing with mathematical figures to try to duplicate what it is to be human only produces clunky, awkward results; machines that aren’t capable of subjectivity, self-awareness and the finer things that come with real consciousness.

Now, I will say that some individuals who report coming into contact with alien craft noted that the craft seemed to be conscious and alive. However, that’s treading into territory that is far, far beyond us, and challenges our current understanding of what it means to be conscious.

If Bush were a machine they would not be testing something like this out now, they would have done it behind doors eons ago, and would have perfected it to where the machine could be employed in a highly visible office.

This is why it's called "Artificial Intelligence". It's the semblance of intelligence. It seems that taken to the extreme, we could make machines that look and act human, but like Data from Star Trek, they will just “look” and “act” human. To get beyond that, we will have to find a way to hook a person, or a soul to a machine, but then you have that individual or soul acting as the self-aware aspect of that machine, and the cogs are still just cogs.

This program has limited value unless it addresses this key problem, which it should resolve before it embarks on a study of linguistics as a chat robot. The Magic 8-ball did this almost 50 years ago.

I'm not saying I know what is behind this program. Just adding my thoughts...

...end transmission...





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