Originally posted by Egotosum
If the general public's readily come to accept that the unidentifiable objects they're seeing in their skies, are UFOs (possibly of
extra-terrestrial origin) what are they most likely to think about cases such as the Lonnie Zamora one? That Zamora saw some sort of classified
military craft, or a craft of extra-terrestrial origin? Plus, to argue that "there is no need to test an airframe out in the US without taking it
anywhere near the borders of a restricted area" belies the fact that it's done all the time. Ever heard of "Aurora". The 1980s and 1990s were
filled with sightings of a triangle-shaped craft flying over the European continent (in one case, spotted by an RAF-trained observer who alleged that
the triangle-shaped craft was being escorted by F-111s).
What Chris Gibson saw in 1989 was interesting, but really has no relevance to this. Why? Because he saw it being refulled by a KC-135 and accompanied
by two F-111's, which kind of points to the fact that it is/was a USAF project.
That having been said, other than the shape there was nothing to point out that the object was anything but conventionally powered. It may have been
an extension of the F-117 technology that is subsonic (i.e. the often rumoured Black Manta). Even if it was even more interesting than that - in the
case of Aurora - powered by PDE Engines (and he never reported an unusual sound, or a donuts on a rope contrail from it by the way), then that type of
engine, whilst exotic, is a logical extension of technology currently in use. Its not anti-gravity.
As for flight testing, speed dictates that a larger area is required. When the U2 was tested civilian radars could not see that high. When the SR71
was tested air traffic controllers were briefed on the fact that there may be high speed traffic. I'm sure that similar things happen today with
high-speed projects. In both cases the vehicles themselves were never seen in public. Tacit Blue, the F-117, and the B2 were not seen in public until
such time as the military wanted them to be seen. You however are arguing about a case from 1967, using - so you say - a vertical takeoff anti-gravity
craft powered by captured nazi-technology, which the US military decided to land in a publicly viewable area to have a look at. Your argument simply
doesn't make sense.
Ask yourself, what's the most likely explanation for the "Foo-fighter" phenomena and the sudden explosion of UFO sightings in the 1940s (sightings
quite different in nature to one's in previous centuries that can, in large part, be explained away as natural phenomena such as shooting stars and
other astronomical events)? That little green men (if, indeed, we are not alone in this neck of the universe) inexplicably started taking interest in
us Earthlings? Or that the Nazis tinkered with anti-gravity technology, developed test craft (partially automated UAVs) and that the US built on that
technology throughout the mid to late 1940s?
Foo fighters were not just seen in the European theatre, or just by allied pilots. They were seen by US forces in the Pacific, and by Axis pilots
following their aircraft too. Again, you have not researched the issue before trying to mould it into your theory - in fact what you are now
suggesting is that the technology was so advanced it was able to be minaturised and radio controlled from the ground.
Damn. Those Nazi's must have been bloody clever. No nuclear weapons, piss poor jet engines that had to be serviced for 25 hours after a 2 hour
flight, rocket powered interceptors with a 3 minute burn duration that could either work or blow themselves to pieces and yet they had minaturised
anti-gravity disks sent to harrass planes that served no purpose at all.
Your knowlegde of historical UFO sightings is appalling if you think that they can be explained away so easily, but again, you chip in with the
"little green men" jibe, like it means anything. Its just a cheap shot bought up by skeptics to try and ridicule a subject they know very little
about and can't be bothered to investigate properly. I'm sure you would be offended if people referred to your preferred explantion as a "nazi
worshipping", wouldn't you?
As for your questioning of extraterrestrial motives, I'm sure that a society taking the step from being able to wipe out a few hundred people in one
go using explosives and/or gas to having the technology to obliterate all intelligent life on the planet by using nuclear weapons would be of
significant study interest to a more advanced race who had been observing the development of life on this planet, in the same way that humans observe
interactions between animals or research our own history.
