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Can we stop the insanity???

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posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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The most important thing I have learned at ATS is to always use at least one of the following acronyms when posting:

JMO
IMO
IMHO

IMO, this gives most posts a modicum of credibility.

I haven’t made any outrageous claims thus far and it is my assertion that many of the more unbelievable "I saw" posts usually come from younger posters. This is not to say that's bad as I tend to think that the older they get the more likely they are to examine subject matter more thoroughly as well as not letting their imagination run wild. Plus they should develop a keen sense because they are also absorbing knowledge on the subject matter. Although I don't recommend posting lies, let's just say these wildly imaginative (believed) claims by kids are learning experiences in lieu of the real thing. Should the have a real experience that is.

(Forgive the inordinately long sentences)




posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 11:57 AM
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This forum is 110% open minded, there is nothing here that doesn't desurve to be posted or not. But some people, specialy those who are very limited by there imagination, and understanding talks about "idiots making this forum look bad". How can you even care about the reputation of a forum that talks about aliens and ufos 24/7? In the world we live in that is so denying anything of it!

When people talk about there personal experiences you should listen, not debunk it like you where there, because that is impossible.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Eyesofbear
I wasn't aware we were making any outrageous or false claims? So to answer your question, no, this doesn't fit in the same category.



But its not contributing anything either so where does it make it fall in the grand scheme of things...



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by InSaneTK
When people talk about there personal experiences you should listen, not debunk it like you where there, because that is impossible.


Again, please read the entire thread. You are not paying attention to the issue.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:39 PM
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if you feel it is not contributing, then why contribute to the thread? Thank you for stopping by.

Without taking a long winded stance, I feel that some of the posters have contributed a great deal of information that I could personally use going forward. Again, I do not want this thread to fall into the same nonsense that I see on other threads.

[edit on 27-10-2006 by Eyesofbear]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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That's what makes ATS a great site. All kinds of stories, views and information from one end of the knowledge spectrum to the other. Sort of a mega-food-for-thought place to be.

Dallas



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Eyesofbear
As a relatively new member, I come seeking understanding and knowledge. When I see threads that begin with "earth shattering pictures" or "I'm a hybrid", my natural curiousity leads to that fateful click and ends with me shaking my head. Eventually, these threads end up in a free for all, with insults and accusations. They basically add nothing to the enjoyment and enlightenment that ATS is founded on.
[edit on 27-10-2006 by Eyesofbear]


First of all it is non-believers that demand proof is it not? So when something is put forward it is ridiculed?

I have mentioned on this site many times that a very famous study was done several years ago and one of the largest ever done regarding attitudes of people towards new ideas.

It is well known by the UFO community and cited often: in fact it may be the excuse used for the disclosure we witness regarding all these topics.

IT goes like this:

1/3 of people are open minded and can accept new ideas that do not conform with the norm.
1/3 of people are flexible and can accept new ideas with some proof, evidence or argument to defend them
1/3 of people are closed minded and are resitant to new ideas irregardless of efforts and proof to validate such ideas.

I assume this site is heavy in people from the first group.

I assume a good number of people come from the second group and YOU may be one of those people.

I assume that people from the third group come here to have some so-called fun at everyone else's expense.

Proof:

you will only believe when you have your own personal epiphany.
When will that happen?
when you have an open mind, it can happen anytime.

That is all I have to say on the matter.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Eyesofbear
if you feel it is not contributing, then why contribute to the thread? Thank you for stopping by.


Im pointing out the Irony of it.
Let me save you the suspense. Your not gonna agree with all the posts made on this forum. In fact, you probably wont agree with most of them.
That doesn't mean that they are irrelevant though, even if you think they are obviously fake or hyped up, such as naming this thread Stop the Insanity!!!! At least they are contributing something to the forum. Besides, its your choice to read them or not. If you got a problem with what the poster is saying than bring it up in the thread. Devoting your own thread about numerous other threads that you dont agree with is as pointless as the threads in which you attack...HENCE...the Irony.

Sorry for showing you your own hypocrisy.




[edit on 27-10-2006 by xEphon]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by xEphon
Let me save you the suspense. Your not gonna agree with all the posts made on this forum. In fact, you probably wont agree with most of them.[edit on 27-10-2006 by xEphon]


it is not a matter of whether I agree or disagree, it a matter of whether people post false information. Do you agree that a person that posts an altered picture is not contributing? If it is a continous process, do you agree that NOW we have a situation where people immediately expect this instead of keeping an open mind?

I certainly do not agree with every post, but that is not to say they are contributing to the problem.

I appreciate your attempt to make a statement, but I would ask you to read the topic and understand what is being discussed before you offer up an opinion.

Thank You.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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CTer's by their very nature are their own worst enemies. So, one would have to guess that a website filled with anonimous CTer's would fall into disarray about certain things at least SOME of the time.

I find the Alien and UFO forum to be the most fun, personally. Some of the claims in there are worth their weight in comic gold. Personally, I think some of them are frauds, liars, or in the worst cases, crazy.

So should we stop the insanity?

No way! If we did that, we would be closing the forum for lack of interest. It's the crazy people that keep me entertained while in between valid and thoughtful nuggets that are actually interesting to me.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 02:58 PM
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I think these posts must be made by disinfo agents trying to discredit ATS so if anything remarkable and true is posted. It will be caught up in all the posts that are complete bollocks.

IMO any "complete proof" or "smoking gun" posters should be banned for knowingly posting false info unless they are speaking the truth.

Its a shame because now I don't even bother reading any tabloid type posts, perhaps the disinfo people have done their job very well?



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Flyer
IMO any "complete proof" or "smoking gun" posters should be banned for knowingly posting false info unless they are speaking the truth.


No offense, but posters that post false info are banned. I don't believe they are disinformation agents. I believe they are attention seekers. I don't understand the concept of posting false or misleading information in order to get attention. There are too many experts and specialists on ATS to get away with nonsense for very long.

Along those lines, imagine how difficult it is to proof you were abducted or communicate with aliens. I can't even think of how you would prove it??? Is it any wonder that people who experienced encounters are reluctant to share?


[edit on 27-10-2006 by Eyesofbear]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 04:05 PM
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I'm upset




Originally posted by Nemithesis
I've spent the last two days following this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which has me wondering what, if anything, posted here is real.
Or is this place full of psy-ops working dillegently to confuse the hell out of every conspiracy ever.



[edit on 27-10-2006 by Nemithesis]




Yeah actually i'm in Bermuda right now living the high life off my paycheck for posting here especially because my posts confuse and have disinformation.
The guy who posted that thread should be taken with a grain of salt... don't you think he'd be watched if that was his job?



To the orignal poster:

I've come to a conclusion in the past few days. The majority of people are not ready to understand how deep and complex and frankly disturbing the world of lies are. ATS in my understanding is just a place to go in circles if not used productively. Many theories are brought up, many words are written... but at the end of the day did anyone actually do anything about it? Did anyone write their congressman/woman? Maybe more? I'd be surprised if more than a handful did. ATS is a source for information. Unfortuantely ATS is a hummer without the engine. Sorry community, but nothing has been done with ATS. Where is the paypal donation section? Where is the ATS commitee making their own "Disclosure Project"? Where is the commitee raising money for commercials? See what I mean?

NWO:

The NWO is going to win. No question as to that. The world will become a police state, and as much order and security as they can manage will happen. Will it last? No, but it will probably last as long as you live. There is nothing you can do to stop it from happening, so stop trying.

Aliens:

They won't show themselves to you by landing on the "white house lawn" for as long as you live this life. Nothing is magical about UFO's or aliens and it's not new. All forms of technology have been used, you think it's "2006" but are just a brainwashed being without a sense of time. All we are to aliens are ignorant/boxed in/drugged/and zombified prisoners in a prison planet known as Earth.

Chemicals:

The majority of the food here has body-altering chemicals in them. As a caveman (the only time we ate natural food), would you be able to order a processed Big Mac with a Coca Cola? Maybe a redbull? Corn that has been infected with crop of genetically modified corn? Poison. Didn't guys like John Titer already try to tell you this?

Drugs:

Enslaving you gradually in a slave state to begin with. All drugs. No exceptions. I'd rather take a drug to cure a life-threatening illness, but I'd know going in it would screw me up. However I do know there is a way to repair it.


I could go on for a long time, but i'm bored.

Eyesofbear:

You really make me mad. What do you expect? LIFE-THREATENING proof? CAREER-RUINING proof? Who says you deserve it? You want to see a picture of a hybrid and watch them "morph" in front of you? Do you want to be targeted as a threat to national security of any country because you now posses way too much information that if used badly would hurt a cause? These are real possibilities.

What have you done to deserve this "alien information". You're just a cow in the eyes of such a being. Do you want to be abducted- do you even know what happens if it's for a study or modifying purpose? Maybe that would sell the idea for you. Do you even know what level you are on as a human being... you're like an ant in an ant colony getting upset and whining. Be grateful for the information on this board, there is a lot of information that could change your life. Don't get upset and shake your skeptical head when the information here can ruin your vision of truth that you've had since you were in diapers and before. The truth is ugly, sickening even. I would be willing to bet a thousand cash that the main reason you posted this thread is because you read my biggest thread. That thread in itself is a cancer, and is extremely upsetting- I regret telling any of you about any of that- you're not ready (except for one; J, you know who you are. He DID something about it and I respect him for it).

You can keep searching until something matches your speculations and life-experience. Be my guest, pal. There should be no respect given to an individual who is giving off a vibe that would have been mildly acceptable years ago. You make me sick.




[edit on 27-10-2006 by jaguarmike]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by jaguarmikeYou can keep searching until something matches your speculations and life-experience. Be my guest, pal. There should be no respect given to an individual who is giving off a vibe that would have been mildly acceptable years ago. You make me sick.






that is one of the best rants i've ever read jaguarmike. now if you don't mind i'm going to steal that dtext and put it in a graphic novel i've just started.
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posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by surrender_dorothy
that is one of the best rants i've ever read jaguarmike. now if you don't mind i'm going to steal that dtext and put it in a graphic novel i've just started.




You won't use that response; not without my consent you won't. And if you find out my real name or identiy I will sue your ass back to the stone age, and make this very unpleasant. This is your warning, I won't give another.





[edit on 27-10-2006 by jaguarmike]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 05:25 PM
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There is no such thing as proof of aliens or their craft. So it's dumb to claim you can spot the real proof and the false stuff.

If anyone wants to create false photos or evidence then there is nothing anyone can do about it. The government pays for such hoaxes to be created.

The only real proof is personal contact with aliens. Just meet them and then you'll have proof. As long as you look to other people for your proof and truth you will be disappointed.



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by probedbygrays
There is no such thing as proof of aliens or their craft. So it's dumb to claim you can spot the real proof and the false stuff.

If anyone wants to create false photos or evidence then there is nothing anyone can do about it. The government pays for such hoaxes to be created.

The only real proof is personal contact with aliens. Just meet them and then you'll have proof. As long as you look to other people for your proof and truth you will be disappointed.



On the flipside of the coin, one could say that the government would plant people stating your claims.

This is a never ending cycle of MADNESS!



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by jaguarmike
[Eyesofbear:

You really make me mad. What do you expect? LIFE-THREATENING proof? CAREER-RUINING proof? Who says you deserve it? You want to see a picture of a hybrid and watch them "morph" in front of you? Do you want to be targeted as a threat to national security of any country because you now posses way too much information that if used badly would hurt a cause? These are real possibilities.

What have you done to deserve this "alien information". You're just a cow in the eyes of such a being. You can keep searching until something matches your speculations and life-experience. Be my guest, pal. There should be no respect given to an individual who is giving off a vibe that would have been mildly acceptable years ago. You make me sick.
[edit on 27-10-2006 by jaguarmike]


Clearly, you are not reading what is written or your understanding is warped. Who said I deserve proof? Who said that is what i'm seeking? I'm seeking understanding, not bogus posters who post "earth shattering" pictures that turn out to be silver balloons twisting in the wind or posters who come here making wild claims about who they are or their experiences. Again, I don't worry about people with opinions, it is often entertaining.

If I make you sick, that isn't going to make me lose sleep. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[edit on 27-10-2006 by Eyesofbear]



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 06:53 PM
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Who said proof of alien crafts? I'm speaking of the hoaxers and those seeking attention by making false claims...geez...does anyone actually read the entire thread?



posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by jaguarmike
You won't use that response; not without my consent you won't. And if you find out my real name or identiy I will sue your ass back to the stone age, and make this very unpleasant. This is your warning, I won't give another.
[edit on 27-10-2006 by jaguarmike]


IF we knew your real name, we could contact your mother and she would be highly upset you were not doing your homework. (I probably should retract that comment)



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