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Cyber >> 1. Amnesty. I know it's definatly not fair at all, but from a practical standpoint I don't think that we can afford to go out and roundup all the illegal immigrants in this country and deport them.
Cyber >> I also feel that morally speaking it wouldn't be right to send back somebody who's been here most of their life but was brought over as a child.
Cyber >> 2. Grant equal wages to those who've come over illegally. If employers have to give the same wages and benefits then what's the advantage of hiring illegals? (Many thanks to Maddox for coming up with this.)
Cyber >> 3. Improve the nation's education program. This means getting rid of the No Child Left Behind Act, making college more financially accessable, and doing what we can to change the culture of stupidity being cool.
Cyber >> 4. Enough with the outsourcing . . . Forgive me if that sounds like communism, but what I'm advocating wouldn't actually be the state taking direct control of the economy . . .
Cyber >> . . . We find ourselves dependant on cheap labor, in this case immigrants.
Cyber >> I feel that if America can learn to be self sustaining again and become the industrial powerhouse it once was we'll become a much more self reliant nation. One that doesn't need illegal immigrants to do the dirty work for us.
Cyber >> 5. Do something about Wal-Mart. If you're going to pass a law that says you can't employ illegal immigrants then at least enforce it. I say we fine Wal-Mart a good sum of money and use that cash to finance our educational programs.
Cyber >> 6. Build some schools in Mexico. As much as I hate the idea of having to do the work for the Mexican government, their government isn't going to fix their country within the next century is my guess. So I say offer them help by building schools so as to educate the masses, and hopefully make Mexico a better place to live.
Cyber >> 7. Significantly lower taxes on low-wage workers.
Cyber >> Considering that they don't make much, the tax money we get from them isn't much and we wouldn't loose too much. However tax breaks for the poor would be worth a lot to them. Buy lowering income taxes on lower paying jobs that would encourage legal citizens to take those jobs instead of holding out for something higher paying since they'd be capable of making more than previously.
Cyber >> 8. Revamp the welfare system and umemployment office to work so that you'll immediatly be assigned a job, no matter how low paying it is until a better one can be found for you.
Cyber >> If you think you're too good to work in a field (this is assuming you're physically able) and don't want to work then no ememployment welfare for you. If working in a field doesn't pay enough but you're willing to work that job then you can get some welfare to supplement your paycheck while you and the unemployment office search for a better job for you. This will also help to fill vaccancies in job slots for low paying jobs, thus making the economy even more competative, and less attractive for unskilled immigrants.
Cyber >> In conclusion my idea is that although walls and security cameras are good, they won't solve the fact that there's a lot of motivation to escape from Mexico to the US. I think that the best long term solution would be to improve the competativeness of the US econcomy (it certainly could use it), and get Americans to be willing to get their hands a bit dirty.
Originally posted by shots
Hat Tip to TrueAmerican for the excellent post above. I think your assessment and suggestions were great.
I loved the last one that is perhaps one of the biggest problems there is regarding illegals and yes we should turn employers in
Originally posted by intrepid
.... I have a question. Aside from the fact that they are in the country illegally, what's the problem of having them in the States?
Originally posted by shots
They are taking jobs from Americans
They have increased our crime rate dramatically. According to Lou Dobs weekend a recent study done in LA shows for everyone that is arrested once each of them is rearrested 4 times.
Many of them are not paying taxes
The increased numbers of children alone is costing the US taxpayer millions of dollars a year to educate them.
Originally posted by intrepid
From what I've read, they are doing jobs that American's won't do for the wage.
Meh, from the strenght of numbers? Is it a small % that keeps reoffending?
Here's the crux of the matter as I hear this a LOT. Now they are citizens, complete with SS#'s and their employer's have NO choice but to tax them. These problems then go away, more in the public coffers and the drain is gone.
What's wrong with that?
Originally posted by shots
Have you ever heard the phrase give them and inch and they take a mile? I have and that is exactly what these illegals are doing, many were given amnesty in the past and that is when their numbers started to increase greatly.
Now as for deportation, yes it would be hard, but it could also have the same effect only greater then Eisenhower's program did. In that case they rounded up 80,000 and others followed voluntarily to the tune of around 800,000 that is roughly a ten fold increase. Imagine how many would follow if we deported 2 million would the numbers that follow be as high? I doubt it but I am sure their numbers would be high just the same although not as high to achieve ten fold. Oh I almost forgot to mention that when the border patrol cracked down earlier this year the crossing rate during that time dropped ten fold in AZ alone.
Hoover also deported roughly 300,000 and many others followed those although the numbers are unknown, so yes deportation can work.
As for your school plan give me a break it is those illegal children who are costing the American taxpayers millions a year in school taxes alone. Heaven only knows how much illegals cost us in medical care alone but I am sure it is also in the millions, it also costs Americans Jobs.
Now employers that want cheap day labor just drive out in the money and round up a pickup full and pay them 5 or 6 bucks an hour in some cases which is under the minimum wage because that is what those employers want to pay.
I also notice you avoided to mention anything about the increased crime they cause, why is that?
What is the first thing they do to get here. Break the law
If they get caught after breaking the law entering the country what do the do? Break the law again when they refuse to appear in court.
The third most likely thing they do is steal a car to get farther away from the border if not rob someone so they can eat. That is assuming they enter via Arizona who has one of the highest crossing rates and number of cars stolen.
I could be wrong but from what you have said; I think you are one of their backers that want them here since you a promoting virtually the same as their activists groups do.
I say Build the Fence and build it HIGH!
They can apply for legal citizenship as my grandparents did.
Originally posted by whaaa
Are there a lot of American Citizens that want to cut up chickens for 8hrs for min wage. I bet not to many.
The problem is we're talking about a number close to twelve million, and the corporate backing to keep them here will prevent them from voluntarily leaving.
Originally posted by cyberdude78
The rest of you might not agree with me, but my personal code is against punishing a man's family (specifically children) for his mistakes.
Most of them have themselves up pretty well in the United States, a lot of those children simply would not survive if you sent them back to Mexico after the life they've lived here in the United States. A lot of children have come to the US, grown up, lost a lot of spanish speaking ability, don't know anyone in Mexico, and are accustomed to the American way of life. Now to try sending them back to Mexico because their parents decided to try to get them a better life (doing it the wrong way I'll admit) just doesn't seem right to me.
Either way it just seems unfeasible to round up twelve million people in a nation of three hundred million and then send them to a country that many of them have not seen in years. It might sound good on paper to send them all back, but I strongly doubt it'll work very well. So I say we may as well minimize the damage by just giving citizenship to those that are already here, or at the very least grant citizenship to the children since we can't just send them back.
Intrepid >> Before I post.... I have a question. Aside from the fact that they are in the country illegally, what's the problem of having them in the States?