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reply posted on 27-10-2006 @ 11:43 AM by zoopnfunk

I'm sure that Webb will try and hide behind some journalistic right or something. None the less, degrading half the voters is never a good way to go! Not to mention the pedophilia aspects of his writings.


Nevermind that Webb actually served our country,
won a medal of honor while doing it, and was drawing from real experiences to create a novel with an accurate depiction of some of the 'not so nice' things that happen:


Second, Webb talked about how "the duty of a writer is to illuminate his surroundings," noting that he is a "serious writer" who has "made my career as a novelist." Webb blasted the Allen campaign for its "smear after smear," pulling excerpts out of context and "pound[ing] people over the head" in classic Karl Rove fashion...

Fifth, Webb pointed out that the scene Mark Plotkin referred to is the sort of thing that "hundreds of thousands of military men" in places like Vietnam and Thailand have experienced. More broadly, this is what a novelist does, depicting how the "human species behaves" with all its good and bad parts. [Note by Lowell: if George Allen ever READ great fiction, he might know that!]

Sixth, Webb explained that his novels were not "Tropic of Capricorn" style novels, but that his books "go after themes" and aim to show "how the world lives."




reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 08:02 AM by zoopnfunk

Foley went down behind writing garbage too, and rightly so. So sorry, but I don't do SELECTIVE moral outrage. It's either clean or it's dirty IMO.


So, you don't see any difference between Foley - who addressed his sexually charged material towards underaged boys, and Webb - who was recounting horrific events he witnessed while at war in a fictional novel?

You do know that Webb's novels aren't considered pornographic -- and that the sexually charged scences aren't meant to make you feel aroused -- but disgusted, right?

It seems to me that in the case of Foley we are talking about a sexual predator and in the case of Webb we are not.

Maybe I have my partisan blinders on today, but I see a clear distinction.

Have you read Webb's books? Do you know the context in which those passages were presented? With Foley, the context is pretty clear. He was hitting on underaged pages.

The sexual scenes in Webb's books are horrific events witnessed while in vietnam. They are used in the context of the novel to illustrate just how bad things really are/were over there....

Listen, Outrage IS the appropriate response to the passages in Webb's novels. It's just that the outrage shouldn't be directed at Webb for recounting those experiences. The reason they are in there is to evoke outrage -- outrage and dismay at a civilization that would allow this type of thing to take place -- or that has denigrated that far.

Now, you want to talk about 'apples to apples' hypocrisy?

Remember the Ad the RNC ran against Rep. Harold Ford (D) down in Tennessee?

Well...


It turns out that the Republican National Committee is a regular recipient of political contributions from Nicholas T. Boyias, the owner and CEO of Marina Pacific Distributors, one of the largest producers and distributors of gay porn in the United States.



[edit on 29-10-2006 by zoopnfunk]


reply posted on 29-10-2006 @ 09:14 AM by semperfortis
Well before we brand the Republican Party as the Racist Party..

Let us examine these..


Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."

-Senator Hillary Clinton

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden

Some junior high n"word" kicked Steve's ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n"word" down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n"word" down, he let him up. The n"word" blindsided him."

-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape

You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee

He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."

-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

"Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

-- Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate", in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
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I'll have those n"word"'s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book, "Inside The White House"
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"You "f"*%%$#$ Jew "b"@^^%$#." -- Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray. This was revealed in "State of a Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton" and has been verified by Paul Fray and three witnesses
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(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election."
-- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election
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"There are white n*"word". I've seen a lot of white n*"word" in my time." -- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001
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"The white race is the cancer of human history." -- Susan Sontag

hiphoprepublican.com...
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Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean yesterday said that Maryland's Democratic ticket should have had a black or other minority at the top, but added that the national party isn't to blame for the lack of diversity.


Judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin is not a Democrat policy, obviously. But it never was, of course. Martin Luther King was a Republican and George Wallace was a Democrat.
stoptheaclu.com...
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In the speech Hollings described the Republican president as "confused" and asserted that Eisenhower had done "great damage to peace and good order" by supporting the rights of minorities to protest segregation at the lunch counters.
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Billy McKinney: Former Democrat State Representative Billy McKinney of Georgia, who is also the father of former Democrat congresswoman Cynthia McKinney of the same state. During his daughter's failed 2002 reelection bid, McKinney appeared on television where he blamed his daughter's difficulties on a Jewish conspiracy. McKinney unleashed a string of anti-semitic sentiments, stating "This is all about the Jews" and spelling out "J-E-W-S." McKinney lost his own seat in a runoff a few weeks later.
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members.tripod.com...

Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.
Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
www.washtimes.com...
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Well as you can see the list is endless...

So Let's refrain from pasting the Racist Name on the Republican Party...

Semper


reply posted on 30-10-2006 @ 09:14 AM by zoopnfunk
I found this tidbit on dailyKos:


Fields of Fire, the book that the Allen campaign and Matt Drudge think is "obscene", is on the United States Marine Corps reading list for professional development.


I just thought it was pertinent to this discussion.

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