posted on Oct, 28 2006 @ 03:55 AM
Originally posted by jsobecky
The theme of your thread seems to be some vague claim that the US gov't will be using the internet as a propoganda tool
Why should the possibility of governments using internet as tool for propaganda activities be ruled out? Internet has become an important, if not, the
most important medium for instant communication. Even more important is the fact of enabling ''common people'' to share political ideas and
thoughts. This aspect in particular makes it harder for governments to hide secrets and sell political stories.
Ask yourself how much you would have known about the existence of 9/11 conspiracies if you wouldn't have access to internet facilities? Without
internet, mainstream media channels would probably not even have paid attention to conspiracy theories.
The following example dates back to the Israel - Lebanon conflict of last summer. The possibility of other governments using similar e-strategies does
exist; I wouldn't personally be surprised if certain governmental agencies would be using similar tactics
The Israeli Public Affairs Department
Many of us recognize the importance of the Internet as the new battleground for Israel's image. It's time to do it better, and coordinate our
on-line efforts on behalf of Israel. An Israeli software company have developed a free, safe and useful tool for us - the Internet Megaphone.
Please go to www.giyus.org, download the Megaphone, and you will receive daily updates with instant links to important internet polls, problematic
articles that require a talk back, etc.
We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel's supporters.
Do it now. For Israel.
Regarding the question about the rights we have lost. Apart from the infringement on privacy rights I myself (as European Union citizen) haven't lost
any rights that prevent me from living my life as usual. Nevertheless, I don't like the fact that officials could abuse their right of tapping my
phone. No I don't have anything to hide, but it is rather easy abuse it.
However, the fact that we haven't lost many right isn't he point those sites are trying to make. The current changes in acts and laws allows the US
government to easily label one as enemy of the state, imprison one and torture one. What if governments are starting to misuse those rights against
citizens with different thoughts?
You might also want to read the following story:
A month ago I experienced a very small taste of what hundreds of South Asian immigrants and U.S. citizens of South Asian descent have gone through
since 9/11, and what thousands of others have come to fear. I was held, against my will and without warrant or cause, under the USA PATRIOT Act. While
I understand the need for some measure of security and precaution in times such as these, the manner in which this detention and interrogation took
place raises serious questions about police tactics and the safeguarding of civil liberties in times of war.
That night, March 20th, my roommate Asher and I were on our way to see the Broadway show "Rent." We had an hour to spare before curtain time so we
stopped into an Indian restaurant just off of Times Square in the heart of midtown. I have omitted the name of the restaurant so as not to subject the
owners to any further harassment or humiliation.
We helped ourselves to the buffet and then sat down to begin eating our dinner. I was just about to tell Asher how I'd eaten there before and how
delicious the vegetable curry was, but I never got a chance. All of a sudden, there was a terrible commotion and five NYPD in bulletproof vests
stormed down the stairs. They had their guns drawn and were pointing them indiscriminately at the restaurant staff and at us.
"Go to the back, go to the back of the restaurant," they yelled.
I hesitated, lost in my own panic.
"Did you not hear me, go to the back and sit down," they demanded.
I complied and looked around at the other patrons. There were eight men including the waiter, all of South Asian descent and ranging in age from
late-teens to senior citizen. One of the policemen pointed his gun point-blank in the face of the waiter and shouted: "Is there anyone else in the
restaurant?" The waiter, terrified, gestured to the kitchen.
The police placed their fingers on the triggers of their guns and kicked open the kitchen doors. Shouts emanated from the kitchen and a few seconds
later five Hispanic men were made to crawl out on their hands and knees, guns pointed at them.
After patting us all down, the five officers seated us at two tables. As they continued to kick open doors to closets and bathrooms with their fingers
glued to their triggers, no less than ten officers in suits emerged from the stairwell. Most of them sat in the back of the restaurant typing on their
laptop computers. Two of them walked over to our table and identified themselves as officers of the INS and Homeland Security Department.
I explained that we were just eating dinner and asked why we were being held. We were told by the INS agent that we would be released once they had
confirmation that we had no outstanding warrants and our immigration status was OK'd.
In pre-9/11 America, the legality of this would have been questionable. After all, the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution states: "The right of the
people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated; and no warrants
shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things
to be seized."
"You have no right to hold us," Asher insisted.
"Yes, we have every right," responded one of the agents. "You are being held under the Patriot Act following suspicion under an internal
Homeland Security investigation."