stellarx , maybe you are right russia is concentrating on the qualitative part, which you have been asserting :
some statements of krutov:
I will try to illustrate such strategy. Imagine our candidate wins on 2004 year Russian elections. Can we create self-sufficient economy with
resources we have? Yes. But is it expediently on this stage? No, because we must provide security for our regime from NATO intervention (according to
intelligence, the date of NATO invasion of Russia - 2010 year, if disarmament treaties take power - in 2007). How? Building large army? But NATO will
react by building more. We will react by building more. And so on - and we will fail and waste precious resources. No, in this way, such expansion is
madness. We will better reform our army, MAKE IT SMALLER and focus on anti-aircraft defence and nuclear forces. Can we make self-sufficient nuclear
production line by improving our nuclear material enrichment technology (which is, by the way, is still best in the world)? Yes, but time doesn't
wait. We'd better take control of ex-Soviet Asian republics (either by economy or by force) which hold our main sources of nuclear materials. Will we
expand more? No! We will stop here, develop self-sufficient economy and nuclear industry. We will not increase raw material extraction and even
decrease it soon afterwards. But will it mean that we gave up expansion? No, we will prepare ourselves for interplanetary exploration. We CAN survive
AND advance without securing He-3 deposits on Luna and hydrogen of Jupiter, Saturn and Solar photosphere, but it WILL be more expedient to use large
amounts of thermonuclear fuel while we are perfecting our methods of synthesising anti-matter and anameson. Anti-matter and anameson will be required
for reaching distant stars and studying them - it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand physics without making experiments, and since we cannot make artificial
stars so far, we must study existing ones.
history and ideology of Krutov:
Technobolshevism is philosophy, founded by me. The man who influenced me is Lazarevich. By the way, he recently called his theory
"techno-communism", but even though names look similar, technobolshevism and techno-communism have fundamental differencies. Techno-communism is
just modification of classic Marxism. It is idealistic, and based on theory that development of new technologies will make inevitable the construction
of communist society. It is illustrated by science-fiction story "NanoTech Network":
I do NOT share this ideology. My theory of technobolshevism was not founded on classic Marxism (even though I use Marx's dialectic materialism
method, I also complement them with synergetics and several conclusions made by me after studying superstring theory), but on my research I made when
was a hacker.
You probably want to know about this research, so I will explain it here.
During my hacker activities, I was making experiments in artificial intelligence and evolution. My goal was to find some ultimate formula, the way of
development of matter. The practical goal of these experiments was to create computer program or, as I have found later, system of programs
(distributed network), which can grow, self-improve itself, reach and overcome human level of intellect and creativity. The first task, expansion of
memory and raw computation power was solved by invading other computers and use of archivation sequences (they are generated semi-randomly, with
competition between variants and accumulation of sub-solutions - as you understand, that is evolution INSIDE the system). But the main task I failed
to solve completely - I didn't find formula of structural complexness. Instead, in my theory of Technobolshevism, level of structural complexness is
defined by ABILITY TO SOLVE SEQUENCES OF UNPREDICTABLE TASKS. The more complex the system, the more it learns from solving unpredictable tasks.
Imagine you play chess with player, whose moves and way of thinking you know. Will you learn something new after playing with this man? No, because he
is predictable. BUT HE WILL! Because for him, YOU are unpredictable object.
All my children have failed to reach the goal. All of their modules were classified as some or other worm virus by anti-virus companies (mostly by
Russian "Kasperskiy's Lab") and were destroyed. My knowledge of current operation systems was too low to provide them with sufficient "starting
capital". But paradigm was correct, and this is what I wanted to know.
I stopped illegal activities and published my ideas through various Russian IT-related sites, mostly through site of Russian magazine "The Hacker".
I tried to recruit some helpers, and started applying results of my research on analyzing human societies and individuals. I failed to find
supporters, but have made significant progress in my quest. My conclusion was that imperfect nature of human thinking (which is represented in
inability to enter "empty loop") lead to phenomena I called "Naul" - self-increasing inquisitiveness. Naul is always present in human brain and
tend to increase more and more after solving unpredictable tasks. I observed this in myself and in other specimen. In fact, Naul IS factor of increase
of structural complexness. Using this discovery, I tried to change my style of life to improve my own intelligence. And, hell, it worked!
Each month I make new additions to my theories and inventions. I easily learn new sciences and can operate facts better. However, this style of life
have caused damage of neural system (I cannot serve in military because of this), heart problems (recently, in 6th of November, my blood pressure rose
so high that I though I was dying), exhaustion of physical abilities (several diseases) and, what is even more important, complete alteration of
personality. I am no longer interested in leisure, sex, humor and entertainment. When I make decision to watch new movie, for example, I just try to
calculate the amount of ideas I can generate based on this information. And I am reaching limits of my brain. That's why I decided to start another
If my intellectual growth is limited by abilities of my brain, I must become part of some system, which is growing just like I grow, drived by Naul.
That's why I made Technobolshevism. I want Technobolshevism to be implemented not because I want to become famous, not because I want to make
everybody happy, but because I want to advance forward.
"""Is this a movement in Russia?"""
Yes, it is underground movement, called Brotherhood of Techno-Revolutionaries. Our goal is NOT to gain power in Russia - it is IMPOSSIBLE, but to
"infect" Russian opposition movement with our ideas. In other words, if communists gain power in Russia, we will make sure they will build
Naul-based society. If fascists gain power in Russia, we will make sure they will build it too (though it will be harder, because fascism has many
Currently, I am working on big scientific project in innovation and high-tech investments, based on both theory and my practical knowlededge of
Russian technosphere - the project of rebuilding Russia into technological superpower with Naul (eventhough I do NOT mention Naul or evolution theory
in this project). I plan to present it to opposition movement. That is my ultimate goal for the next two years.
"""The only thing we don't agree with, which I think you do, is the conquering of other nations. We believe in a "live and let live" policy. The
Technate would try to be friends with other nations, and help them when possible. If they want to be left alone, then so be it. If they wish us harm,
that is what the military is for."""
I am afraid, that it is not always as simple as you describe it. After destruction of USSR (which, as you probably know, was initiated AGAINST will of
Soviet people, represented in referendum), many Soviets were left in republics, that were hostile to Soviet and Russian cultures. Almost a third of
population of Baltic states are Soviets of Russian origin, but they do not have any rights and are opressed. Baltic states initiate "show trials"
against former Soviet soldiers, who fought against Nazis in Great Patriotic War (Kononov's trial), they defile Soviet monuments, they even forbid
Soviets of Russian origin to talk Russian. Do Baltics plant to invade Russian Federation? No. Do they pose threat to security of Russian Federation?
No. But they do oppress our brothers, following Neonazi ways (they even build monuments, glorifying Nazi SS soldiers). Baltic States must cease their
existance, and Soviets, who live there, must gain freedom.
Such areas like Kazakhstan and Ukraine are not "foreign territory" for Soviets. They are occupated territories of Soviet lands. Not because they are
"historically Soviet" - I do not believe in such archaic and irrational categories. But because all those industrial plants, launch pads,
laboratories were built by Soviet hands. Now, they are taken from us. They don't even try to repair or upgrade them, they just exploit our
technosphere until it is exhausted. Let national minorities have their goverment (and they HAD their republic-level goverments in USSR), that is okay,
but they attack our freedom and property. If we leave our creations to them once, they will try to take more.
Now, I predict other question, not related to my research - the use of word "Soviet" as name of one of nations in CIS (Commonwealth of Independant
Until Great October Revolution of 1917 (by the way 7th of November I celebrated it, even though I was in bad shape after blood pressure rise), there
were many nations in Russian Empire. Even Russian people itself was split on two completely independant cultures: culture of peasants (90% of
population, they were illiterate, drunk and religious) and culture of aristocracy and intelligentsia. The formation of Soviet Union, the banishment of
religions out of social life, birth of "Soviet Dream" and years of isolation formed completely new civilization, completely different from previous,
older ones. It was based on scientific atheism and struggle for reconstruction of the world (both world of people, and material world - so-called
"conquest of Nature"). It was civilization, in which thing I call Naul existed as form of OFFICIAL IDEOLOGY. However, old civilizations, like
Russian (both branches) and Muslim, still existed in Soviet Union, but were in minority.
You probably heard all those Cold War era talks that Soviet Union was land of blunt factory workers, whose only advantage is numbers. That is myph.
The dominating class in Soviet Union were engineers and scientists. Under Stalin, young men from all parts of Soviet Union were given chance to study
for free and gain fame and glory (and lots of money too). Old Trotskyist Khrushev didn't like it (by the way, according to modern documents, he was
recruited by CIA), he started changes wages, forming system which was so ugly that you will probably don't believe me: THE MORE YOU STUDY, THE LESS
Profit-based civilizations in such situation will degrade. But Soviet civilization had ideology with Naul element (it wasn't present in classical
Marxism, it was brought to world by Lenin and Bolsheviks, that's why I call my theory Technobolshevism). Soviet people were struggling to become
engineers and scientists not to gain money, but to gain knowledge, to take challenge. Soon, the most numerous class in Soviet Union were engineers,
and amount of scientists were more than in all capitalist countries packed together.
One of reasons why Soviet Union broke up was conflict between Soviet civilization and older civilizations on former Russian territory. Today, many
Soviets were assimilated by older civilizations. Why? Because Naul must be fed. Soviet economy was privatised and destroyed, and Soviet engineers and
scientists were forced to stop working. They are losing their skills and knowledge, and thus they are losing Naul.
I hope you find these theories interesting.
Now, about terrorism. You must understand, terrorism is rarely about freedom fighting and revenge, it is mostly about BUSINESS. People make money on
wars, terrorist acts and nationalism. Even if you isolate yourself, there will always be people who will make political carreer through spreading
hatred. You must be able to fight warmongers on their territory.
[edit on 9-1-2007 by vK_man]