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Originally posted by semperfoo
Originally posted by vK_man
american jobs from overseas, as well as other nations who want a piece of the fairtax. They will save huge somes of moneym, mean while providing americans with JOB'S-A-Plenty!!!.
The dollar wont collapse. I think its popular for you third worlders speculate it will. But we americans will leave the pure speculation up to you ppl Our GDP is currently growing faster then our debt is. The debt is one of the main reasons why the USD has taken a hit. It will rebound. If the dollar were to callapse so would the interdependant world economy.
Another reason why the america will switch to the fairtax is the simplicity of the FairTax which frees Americans from our current overwhelming tax code and unshackles the U.S. economy. It will solve americas medicare and social security crisis.
The dollar wont collapse. I think its popular for you third worlders speculate it will.
Our GDP is currently growing faster then our debt is
CAPITALISM! Thats the ticket Dont forget that, THAT is the SOLE reason why you indians are currently employed by outsourced american jobs. Corporations look at you ppl like nothing more then a cheap prostitute.
Meaning all american jobs that have been outsourced will be sucked right back into america so corporations can save huge somes of money. Did you bother to read any of my sources
Part of the problem is the way Boortz and Linder are using the idea of embedded taxes. In an eight-year-old study paid for by AFFT, Harvard economist Dale Jorgenson noted that because the taxes paid by everyone in the chain of production are embedded in the cost of goods, prices could decline an average of 20 percent if all those taxes were scrapped. The FairTax Book devotes an entire chapter to this idea
What The FairTax Book fails to mention is that prices can only fall this sharply if companies cut wages. I asked Jorgenson about this, and he agreed. Say your salary is $100,000 a year today, but you take home $80,000 after taxes.
money.cnn.com...
Another reason why the america will switch to the fairtax is the simplicity of the FairTax which frees Americans from our current overwhelming tax code and unshackles the U.S. economy. It will solve americas medicare and social security crisis.
The "underground economy" that income tax advocates complain about will certainly increase under the FairTax system. Even if the highly dubious claim that there will be an "average producer price reduction of 22 percent for goods and services in just the first year after the adoption of the FairTax" is true,not having to pay a 23 percent tax on an item is a tremendous incentive to make a purchase in the "underground economy."
www.mises.org...
Originally posted by ape
posted by vk_man
[edit on 3-1-2007 by ape]
because all of those american jobs are coming back.
you will either have to get a visa or just join the indian military
I laugh at how you would just post anything to try and refute something that cannot be refuted, HAHAHAHA.
However, critics argue that it could be difficult to collect, having challenges with an underground economy (avoiding the tax),[4][3] and that it may not yield enough money for the government, resulting in cuts to governmental programs, increased deficit, or a higher tax rate.[3] Additionally, it may be difficult to permanently eliminate income taxation, as it would require a constitutional amendment to aggressively repeal the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by ape
you keep mentioning underground economy which would actually be taxed and right now it currently is not being taxed, once again your comments prove you are not reading any of the material we have provided or even researched the fairtax subject so what makes you think you can engage in debate ???? there will always be some form of an underground economy thats an element that hard to be rid of, but if u can tax it wouldnt that make it a little bit more tolerable? take a good look at the current Us tax system if you can comprehend it, people work around it all the time and its mainly the rich.
you posted the information from JPFO which was debunked 2 years ago, then you quote something from wikipedia that says undergrounde economy, well that economy would get taxed, so would alot of other elements you're not taking into consideration.
you ignored about 86% of my posts and the information provided so im going to end this one with a ' I hope you learned something today'.
[edit on 3-1-2007 by ape]
you keep mentioning underground economy which would actually be taxed and right now it currently is not being taxed, once again your comments prove you are not reading any of the material we have provided or even researched the fairtax subject so what makes you think you can engage in debate ????
there will always be some form of an underground economy thats an element that hard to be rid of, but if u can tax it wouldnt that make it a little bit more tolerable?
you ignored about 86% of my posts
Side Note: It is possible that a person on any of the many federal aid programs (sometimes referred to as welfare) does not worry much about the cost of government, since they pay little or no federal taxes. But under the FairTax they would “pay” federal taxes as the FairTax will be added on to everything they buy. They will have been reimbursed in advance for this tax (through the pre-bate) but it will still feel to them like they are paying federal taxes because they will see it on their receipts and it will come out of their pockets, just like everyone else.
This will bring about new viewpoint for this person. He will now feel like a taxpayer. This is an interesting, but little discussed, benefit of the FairTax. Federal taxes being paid by everyone will bring awareness to everyone of the cost of government. The attitude, “I don’t care about taxes, because I don’t pay any!” will transition to “Hey! What are they spending all of my money on?” The FairTax will get everyone, even former non-taxpayers, VERY interested in what the government is doing with our money. We will have a much better system when ALL Americans are aware of the cost of government.
Originally posted by semperfoo
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Just keep looking up the negative aspects, if anything more then to just help you sleep good at night.
Heres a start. I suggest you educate yourself with it fairtax.net...
[edit on 023131p://4101pm by semperfoo]
America more powerful while sucking jobs out of your over populated country! Possibly collapsing your country
You know damn well what the fairtax will do, and you cant stand it.
What The FairTax Book fails to mention is that prices can only fall this sharply if companies cut wages. I asked Jorgenson about this, and he agreed. Say your salary is $100,000 a year today, but you take home $80,000 after taxes.
money.cnn.com...
When it comes to the fairtax the pros outweigh the cons.
I suggest you look into the fairtax a little deeper instead of looking into blinded biased opinions. and taking them as fact!
Your point is moot. Your not looking at any of the info we provided in regards to the fairtax. Your only looking at the negative aspects (which are weak)
Your best bet is getting an American visa and coming to work in America.
fairtax is best for america.
Because it surely wont save your countrys drop in employment rate once the fairtax is enabled!
Originally posted by vK_man
only civilain communications... its military communications that are necessary to destroy and SS-18 launch would alert american nuclear forces...
for that purpose marabu is needed..
well ,according to Krutov , russia has lost a good amount capability that it had ...
that can be reconstructed only with sovietia
you could talk to him
www.communist.ru
In recent years, support of Stalin has resurged.
Millions of Russians, exasperated with the downfall of the economy and political instability after the breakup of the Soviet Union, want Stalin back.
A recent controversial poll revealed that over thirty-five percent of Russians would vote for Stalin if he were still alive.[23] This is seen by some as a return of Stalin's cult.
en.wikipedia.org...
there have been other russian surveys , this was a western one...
We have calculated all our moves far in advance. If we take power in Russia, only a miracle will be able to stop us. And we will take power, I promise. According to sociological polls, most of the Russian people (53-72% depending on the social group) support Stalin and Stalinism
www.worldthreats.com...
and 100000 conventional tomahawk cruise missiles
ven podvig argues that , but he also says that some part is true , particularly on the warning system
Originally posted by vK_man
stellar , krutov is talking about rearmament beginning in 2007...not a few cruise missiles...
pasted over by accident but according to you a majority of Russians support 'stalinism'
This observation leads to a convincing explanation for recent trends in Russian politics: having lost its sense of national identity after 1991, Russia is struggling to create a new one based on a blend of tsarism, communism, and Stalinism (3/14).
www.foreignaffairs.org...
what you state is official ....
AYAKS was designed for this purpose , it would travel through the mesosphere , avoiding the thermosphere and generates a plasma field that would absorb radar beams ....
its russia that keeps running around the USA for treaties
as for NATO ,it no longer fears russia ... and that is coloured revolutions have took place and small nations like Poland ,georgia are joining NATO ..
and Poland is going to have a ABM base....
This is how Lt.-Gen. Oleg Gromov, the deputy commander of the Space Forces for acquisitions, described Russian early-warning satellites. Speaking at a round table at the Federation Council on 11 November 2005, Gromov complained the Space Forces do not have the resources to bring the early-warning constellation to the “minimum necessary” level and [even if they had,] all that they have is the “hopelessly outdated” 71Kh6 and 73D6 spacecraft.
russianforces.org...
as krutov said OUTDATED... in 2001
Let's talk about the early warning systems. My understanding is that as the Soviet Union broke up, that the radars in its forward states were dismantled. How has the early warning system been affected by the loss of these radar stations in the outlying states of the former Soviet Union?
There were eight [ground-based] early warning stations in the Soviet Union, in Russia. And there was also a space-based system. Out of the eight stations, five were left outside of Russia. However, the only one, not some, but only one, radar station was destroyed. The only one that's not working now is the one in Latvia, in Skundia. As a result, a sector formed where, if we had not taken any additional measures, we would not have been able to observe the launches with a second echelon of systems; only with the first one. However, we took the following measures. We compensated partially for this empty, so to speak, sector, by other stations. That's the first thing. The second thing is that an attack from the West is probably least conceivable given the current situation. So we don't foresee any problems here.
When were these measures taken to fix the radar problem in Latvia? What year?
By September 1st, of the last year, the station in Skundia stopped working. And at the same time exactly, partial measures were taken to compensate for the loss of that sector. All the other stations are fully operational, such as the one in Ukraine, in Azerbaijan. We are planning to put into operation a station in Belarus, in Beronovich.
www.newshour.org...
The two nations have explored waysof addressing the problem at least since last year, when another CBO study suggested giving Russia access to the U.S. early warning satellite system. Faced with considerable political pressure not to release such sensitive information to the Russians, Daschle asked the budget office to consider "nontraditional" alternatives.
Since then, according to the letter, the CBO has learned that Russia has built seven new early warning satellites, but "is unable or unwilling to devote the resources necessary to launch them."
The United States could buy Russian rockets -- which are less expensive than American rockets -- and launch six of the satellites for about $200 million, the CBO said.
The letter lists several arguments against the option, including the fact that if Russia were sufficiently worried about false alarms, it could cough up the money itself. In addition, the six satellites would not allow Russia to monitor launches around the globe, only in the United States.
www.fas.org...
Most Russian military payloads reaching the orbit would be identified only as Cosmos satellites with particular numbers. Any civilian satellites, whose purpose the government would not want to explain, would also receive Cosmos names. It was up to independent observers and historians around the world to struggle with a puzzle of secret space programs. They based their analysis on a combination of available official data and satellite tracking information.
The post-Soviet Russia adopted somewhat "westernized" approach to information policy on military space: the military launches are identified as such and receive traditional Cosmos names.
www.russianspaceweb.com...
According to Russian Space Forces Commander Colonel-General Vladimir Popovkin, there are approximately 60 Russian military satellites currently in orbit.[1] This represents a decrease of two-and-a-half fold since 1990.[1] However, there has been an increase in the percentage of satellites functioning within their normal service lives from 19% in 1999 to 40%.[1] Popovkin points to this as a qualitative change in Russia's military satellite fleet and notes that Russia is again testing new technologies.[1]
cns.miis.edu...
However, we can be fairly confident that Yeltsin's football showed that Russia was not under attack and that the Russian early-warning system was functioning perfectly. In addition to the string of radars surrounding the border of the former Soviet Union, Russia had inherited a complete fleet of early-warning satellites that, even by 1995, still maintained continuous 24-hour coverage of the U.S. continental missile fields. In the early 1990s Russia had still managed to launch replacement satellites for its early-warning system as the previous ones died out -- thereby retaining continuous coverage. Because of those satellites, Yeltsin's display must have shown that no massive attack was lurking just below the horizon.
www.pbs.org...
State Department spokesman James Rubin told a news conference that it would be difficult to assess the current situation over Russia's missile defense system because of its classified nature. "...Nevertheless, it's fair to say that we are concerned about the potential deterioration of Russia's ballistic missile attack warning capabilities without referencing any specific systems,..." Rubin said.
Yadernaya Bezopasnost magazine
Major General Vladimir Dvorkin, the Head of the 4-th Central Research Institute of the Defense Ministry gave some comments on the Post's publication in an interview to the Russian NTV (a TV company). However, he refused to talk about the current status of the Russian EW system. "...I am unable to speak or confirm how many hours we can or can not watch, because this matter is a state secret. Regardless of what I'll say, if these figures are good or not - I'll have to give my next interview being in jail somewhere in Siberia..." (NTV News, 22:00, February 10, 1999)
www.armscontrol.ru...
In one of versions of Third World War, 5 (five) are enough to bring United States to its knees. They move through North Pole, surrounded by fighter escort. Two of them (from left and right) are DRLO planes, the central three ones are cruise missile carriers. They jam all communications and radars, and when they are near Canada, they launch nuclear-armed Kh-101 cruise missiles, which are almost impossible to track until they hit target, that means United States won't be able to counter-attack. After nuclear cruise missiles have crippled USA's nuclear and anti-air potential, Soviet ground troops go in to claim the ground. This plan was widely discussed by Soviet military elite
www.technocracy.ca...
the soviet plans .... unofficial also , he has given short details here of other interesting weapons
many of lasers were in saryashagan
The American military communications are not hardened to anywhere near the extent Russia's is and unlikely ( according to the senate reports i have seen at least) to survive in the state that would be required to fight a long term nuclear campaign
Krutov is not a specialist and going by what he has to say i think he has no background in military or intelligence matters.
I have been convinced of his authenticity by his in-depth knowledge of Marxist-Leninist strategy and thinking in the modern age, and the real theories of Communism, minus all the different interpretations and adaptations that often manipulate the Western image of the philosophy. He has provided me with pictures, information, and video that has convinced me that he is who he claims to be. He also provided me with a picture of himself in the uniform of a Soviet ground troops commander from before the Soviet Union disintegrated, holding up the newspaper of the date.
My interview with him is meant to serve as an educational guide to understanding the psychological and philosophical guidelines of people such as he involved in the post-Soviet Communist structures that I have discussed and intend to discuss more thoroughly in the future. Here is some background information on Mr. “Ivan Krutov”:
--He is the founder of the AD-13 hacker alliance, a political-oriented cyber warfare group that works in unison with his Communist allies.
--He is the founder of the ATF-BTR Party.
--He is a high ranking “colonel” of the group ASNSR.
--He has flown Soviet and Russian aircraft during several conflicts. He has flown in Vietnam, Africa, Latin America, Egypt, Afghanistan, Chechnya and Iraq.
--In an interview available on the Internet, a link I will provide in a moment, Krutov is described: “I managed to communicate with an underground group engaged in clandestine operations aimed at, as they put it themselves, ‘purifying Russia of American influence and Americans themselves.’ The organization’s name is the Russian Rebel Army (RRA
www.worldthreats.com...
If the younger people are asking for a Stalin they don't know what their asking for and i suggest some education to cure them of their ignorance.
And those are far more reliable, yes. Any report that suggest most Russians want a Stalin type person back or pretends that such people know what their asking is not imo related to reality.
This guy is certifiable not very sane imo.
It was stealthy in that there was no way to target such weapons with counter fire; they could be trusted to keep firing as long as you could provide them with reloads. I am not sure how they were supposed to be able to make these missiles 'stealthy'
I'm open minded and i will listen as long as you don't expert me to believe this based on what Krutov says...
Please do some research as to who runs to who always benefits most by these treaties. Then please investigate how the USSR and Russia always breaks whatever parts of the treaties they want with the CIA
Actually if you look at the physical structure required for constant surveillance of the American land based ICBMs Russia have never had a gap in coverage for more than a few days since 1990
Fig.1. Russia's existing ground-based early-warning radar network, intended to detect incoming missiles, provides incomplete coverage [yellow]. Most of the radars are positioned along the country's periphery, with a few scattered in neighboring countries. From corridors on both the north Atlantic and the Pacific, submarine-based Trident ballistic missiles could fly, undetected, to attack Moscow and Russian missile fields.
russianforces.org...
If a Trident attack were to come from the Atlantic, Moscow could be destroyed in less than 10 minutes after the initial radar detection, provided that no blinding precursor attack had been attempted. Within minutes of that strike, most Russian strategic ICBM fields would also come under attack. If a Trident attack were to come instead from the Pacific, Moscow could be destroyed with zero warning time.
How do they jam "all communications and radars"?
That's why Soviet goverment choose other way - development of ionosphere weaponry: drones or missiles that create large plasma clouds that absorb energy of radar beams, converting it to IR signature, not distinguishable when used at large scale. They can also project artificial "polar lights" (or how is it called in English) to scare the enemy (some of the UFO sightnings looked exactly like tests of these, but I am not sure).
www.technocracy.ca...
How can a few dozen cruise missiles with nuclear warheads 'cripple' the US nuclear forces?
What is a M-1000 Jet and where can i find information related to that weapon possible being real?
It is Soviet M-1000 (Molniya-1000) "Gerakl" project. No working prototypes was ever constructed, it was done purely mathematically. We know it will work because it uses the same details and nodes as An-225. Any factory that can produce An-225 can produce M-1000. You can trust this thing, because it was constructed by legendary Lozino-Lozinskiy, the same person that created "Buran" and "Molniya-MAKS
www.technocracy.ca...
While i am VERY open minded i don't just go around believing things without proper sourcing
As i said Stalin died in 1953 and that would make require 35% of the current Russian population to be age 55-60 to even begin to form a understanding of what the USSR were like under him. If those 55-60 age group ask for another Stalin they must be suffering from some kind of form of amnesia as things have only gotten better since those days
Molniya is a leading aircraft research and production company set up in 1976 under the Buran project that led to the single flight in November 1988.
Since the 1980s, Molniya has embarked on the "flying space launch site" effort and has developed the Molniya and Gerakl heavy-lift carrier aircraft
en.rian.ru...
Skyfurnaces from "Red Star" ( redstar.com ) remind me real-life Soviet planes M-1000. These are REALLY HUGE aircrafts, which can be used as:
a)Transport (YEAH, "KRAWL DROPS"!!!)
b)Kh-101 missile carrier (two or three of these beasts are enough to wipe out ALL American defence systems)
c)Superefficient AWACS system
d)Laser carrier (imagine the situation: USSR nukes USA, USA nukes back, but M-1000 shoot American nukes down)
e)Flying aircraft carrier
d)Flying spaceship carrier (can carry small MAKS assault shuttles, which can rip all NATO space systems to shreds in a matter of minutes)
If you want pictures of M-1000 and other Soviet advancements, visit my site:
soviet-technology.boom.ru...
Soviets are probably the most creative nation ever.
Flying aircraft carriers? Not a problem (was used against Nazis)!
Flying SUBMARINES? No problem!
Walker robots? As easy as everything else!
Hypersonic crafts? Easily!
UFOs? Yes!!!
Ion thrusters? Plasma stealth field generators? Plasmochemical drives? Yes! Yes! Yes!
Again, pictures of all these inventions can be found on my site:
soviet-technology.boom.ru...
www.politicsforum.org...
more credible than his ignorance on military matters has so suggest him to be
I studied mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry, quantum mathematics, superstring theory, and many other fields. I am not even mentioning cybernetics and evolutionary theory—I founded my own laboratory to test my ideas in ways to fuel evolution. You can find me articles in the archives of the website of the Russian underground electronic magazine, “Hacker” (www.xakep.ru)”.
www.worldthreats.com...
Why is he trying to predict the future when he does not know what happened before or what is happening now? I have not seen him say much that is related to open source material and without sources i don't see why you have chosen to just believe him
We DID give up power in the Soviet Union (but without destroying our agent network—we became a shadow force behind Russia), to show the Russian people what life under capitalism means. Now, disgusted and oppressed, they are calling us to help them. And we will come back
www.worldthreats.com...
It may be 'outdated' but it's there and unless he is claiming that it's not working he is just saying what so many in the west would like to believe.
Is is not his job to plead for more equipment when his in 'acquisitions' any ways?
i said Stalin died in 1953 and that would make require 35% of the current Russian population to be age 55-60 to even begin to form a understanding of what the USSR were like under him. If those 55-60 age group ask for another Stalin they must be suffering from some kind of form of amnesia as things have only gotten better since those days. I don't think you should believe in every pole result you see. If the younger people are asking for a Stalin they don't know what their asking for and i suggest some education to cure them of their ignorance
Please show otherwise as i do not see why i should choose his word over well established source material
posted by stellarx
I can not consider him credible while he tries to paint the US as a credible threat
Some really interesting technical information VK
Krutov seems to go out of his way to dismiss current Russian strength ( something one can prove) and focus all his energy talking about the rise of a communism
weapon systems that we have little evidence is or will be deployed any time soon.
I can not consider him credible while he tries to paint the US as a credible threat
Originally posted by ape
fiber is being installed in new houses and businesses and being overlayed in existing homes and businesses, in 20 years most of the US will be fiber optics, so there goes your theory about US equipment being vulnerable
russia is a regional power not a super power, a super power projects economic influence along with other aspects of influence,
a super power also maintains all of it's forces and projects force worldwide something
BUT, THERE ARE COMPONENTS LIKE PHOTODIODES AND LED'S OR LASER EMITTING DIODES THAT ARE VULNERABLE AS THESE ALSO USE ELECTRICAL SIGNALS , AND FROM WHAT I KNOW ONLY MILITARY HARDENS THESE COMPONENTS
correction ,this is imperialism if you are talking in terms of military