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Richard Norton-Taylor
Thursday October 26, 2006
The CIA tried to persuade Germany to silence EU protests about the human rights record of one of America's key allies in its clandestine torture flights programme, the Guardian can reveal.
According to a secret intelligence report, the CIA offered to let Germany have access to one of its citizens, an al-Qaida suspect being held in a Moroccan cell. But the US secret agents demanded that in return, Berlin should cooperate and "avert pressure from EU" over human rights abuses in the north African country. The report describes Morocco as a "valuable partner in the fight against terrorism".
On one occasion, CIA pilots and crew lived it up in Majorca after rendering Benyam Mohammed, an Ethiopian brought up in Notting Hill, west London, to Afghanistan where he was tortured. Benyam was detained in Pakistan early in 2002, and then flown to Morocco, where he says he suffered appalling torture. He is being held at Guantánamo Bay.
Originally posted by Mdv2
It's sad to see how low we have fallen.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
It's sad to see people making defeatist comments and criticisms when the west is in a very difficult situation. I believe the west is the next prime target for radicalist-muslim conquests. It is vital we obtain any information we can.The enemy is on EUROPE's doorstep and is ready to decay your countries from the inside out. Europeans better get their heads on straight and leave these moral and ethical sympathies behind for the time being.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
This isnt like Vietnam, where if we lose this...we just go back home.
Why War Fails
By Howard Zinn
10/23/06 " The Progressive" -- - - I suggest there is something important to be learned from the recent experience of the United States and Israel in the Middle East: that massive military attacks are not only morally reprehensible but useless in achieving the stated aims of those who carry them out.
In the three years of the Iraq War, which began with shock-and-awe bombardment and goes on with day-to-day violence and chaos, the United States has failed utterly in its claimed objective of bringing democracy and stability to Iraq. American soldiers and civilians, fearful of going into the neighborhoods of Baghdad, are huddled inside the Green Zone, where the largest embassy in the world is being built, covering 104 acres and closed off from the world outside its walls.
I remember John Hersey's novel The War Lover, in which a macho American pilot, who loves to drop bombs on people, and also to boast about his sexual conquests, turns out to be impotent. George Bush, strutting in his flight jacket on an aircraft carrier, and announcing victory in Iraq, has turned out to be an embodiment of the Hersey character, his words equally boastful, his military machine equally impotent.
The Israeli invasion and bombing of Lebanon has not brought security to Israel. Indeed, it has increased the number of its enemies, whether in Hezbollah or Hamas, or among Arabs who belong to neither of those groups.
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Originally posted by zuri
Don`t believe everything you read.The CIA flights could be nothing more than moving equipment.
Johannesburg (AND) Denmark has become one of the first European countries to admit that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had used its airspace to transport terror suspects to unknown destinations
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Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos has admitted Spain may have been a stopover for secret CIA flights.
The Spanish government is investigating more than 60 suspect flights, most of them passing through Palma de Mallorca and Tenerife.
Mr Moratinos said US authorities had given assurances that there had been no secret passengers on board planes stopping over in Spain.
However, Spanish authorities were investigating flights which could have been used to detain or fly prisoners before or after the stopovers, he said.
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The CIA used planes of Air America, a group of private companies it secretly owned, and a second company, Aero Contractors. A CIA Gulfstream V jet, frequently used for the secret rendition of prisoners, flew to Diego Garcia, the British Indian Ocean territory where the US has a large base, the book says. Grey plans to publish more than 3,000 logs of the CIA flights on the internet this week.
CIA pilots, sometimes using false identities and whose planes regularly passed through Britain, ran up huge bills in luxury hotels after flying terrorist suspects to secret locations where they were tortured. But they revealed their whereabouts and identities by indiscreet use of mobile phones and allowed outsiders to track their aircraft's flights.
On one occasion, CIA pilots and crew lived it up in Majorca after rendering Benyam Mohammed, an Ethiopian brought up in Notting Hill, west London, to Afghanistan where he was tortured. Benyam was detained in Pakistan early in 2002, and then flown to Morocco, where he says he suffered appalling torture. He is being held at Guantánamo Bay.
Guardian
Originally posted by zuri
You haven`t posted any CIA documents admitting that they carry prisioners on these flights (and u unlikely to as against T&C of this site).Like l said the govts are a bit upset the US doesn`t tell them whats going on.The US a bit upset that they haven`t had more help previously.Plus as you have posted these rumours you can hardly expect the NSA,CIA to inform anybody as there media obviously doesn`t mind publishing these damaging facts.
Originally posted by Strangerous
I think you're missing the point: the EU Govts have been lied to by someone who claims to be an ally and have been implicated in illegal acts by allowing the CIA to transport suspects through their airports for torture.
If the EU were to do this to US citizens you guys would be up in arms / bombing Europe, the EU is expected to keep quiet as America has 'God on its side' and therefore is above criticism.
It's not a question about being a 'bit upset', it's about adhering to international law, having some standards of decent behaviour.
The CIA etc have never admitted they're torturing people because they know it's completely illegal.
Originally posted by Strangerous
Torturing POW's is unlawful under the Geneva Convention - do some basic research into the subject and then you come back and show me where it's legal to torture people.