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Originally posted by Gazrok
Uhmm...that was more than half a century ago....
As for the "cobra", see Seekerof's comments....(and I have it on good authority that the modified F-22s being tested in GA can do things that the Su fighters wouldn't think possible in their wildest dreams...)
As for the guns comment, the whole idea is to make them debris before you even see the enemy... However, should it come to that, you'll find the US pilots of the most advanced fighters, compared to the soviets, will win out....not by much, but will win.
The biggest problem the Soviets face here, is their ability to maintainence and field such fighters (and a significant number) in a combat situation... As I mentioned, the majority of the air force is obselete....
Originally posted by Seekerof
All philosophies and doctrines.....
And "no", I am implying that the F-22 will be the most advanced 5th Gen. Fighter in the world and will be so for 15-20 years to come.
The US has other aircraft that can handle virtually anything that the Russian's can currently field....and that includes maneuverability...
When many claim and say that the F-15, F-18, and F-16 are very highly maneuverable aircraft, what does that imply? That they are nothing when gauged against their Russian counter-parts? Bottom line....maneuverability, especially in this day and age of A2A missiles, is over-rated.....
Cobra maneuvers/Pugachev Cobra can sell aircraft and look damn cool at air-shows, but to talk what such a maneuver can do in A2A combat is subjective and theory...bascially, it looks swell on paper, but will end up being useless in combat 9 times out of 10. At the speeds needed to perform such maneuvers in the first place leaves the pilot in an almost no win situation other than to bail. All this said.....maneuverability will not overcome technology.
regards
seekerof
Originally posted by FULCRUM
Q: Is the Russian Air Force still in the game?
A: Yes!
Now..
do i have make my point or would you be kind enough to just belive me?
Btw,
There are plenty of topics about similar subjects..
Or topics that have turned into this conversation by some mysterious way..
Recomended reading:
AirForces Monthly
if for next 10-20 year they have Putin or somebody like minded in control they will fully rise and gain their place once again as the supreme nation..
Will we start to see the russians selling these aircraft on the black market.
Never Underestamate our Russian Friends
They can improvise with the best of us
when pushed......
And they are Well Armed !
And the US doesn't have highly manueverable aircraft as the Russian's do?
One must understand that both nations have very different philosophies concerning aircraft usage and such....
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Originally posted by ghost
Yes! It is a fact that they don't apply themselves the way they did in the cold war and their forces aren't quite as daunting. You need to also rememberr the US isn't the same military power it was back then either. Bottom Line: The Russians are still a force to be recekned with.
Tim
Good point about our military. It is nowhere near what we had back then. As disappointing as it is, I think the U.S. has done a great job reconstructing a military to be appropriate for the the New World Order.
Anyway, why do you think the Russian Air Force can still hack it? I'd just like to know what exactly they have. Forgive, me, but they've never really put out much information on the inner-workings of the Soviet or the Russian Air Force.
Originally posted by Maverick
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Originally posted by SectorGaza
Originally posted by Maverick
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i have a video of f22 crash, and your point is?