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Originally posted by worldwatcher
I've experienced both heaven and hell right here on earth, so I'd have to say that this is a middle ground between the two.
but at times yeah, I've thought that I was in a living hell, so I can see why could think that way.
Half >> I wonder if Earth is actually Hell that we always talk about.
"And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will DESCEND to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.” Matthew 11:23.
“Then death AND HADES were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:14.
Half >> Poor people suffering in every way. Middle class poeple struggling to keep financial stability. Rich people have lack of privacy and followed by papprazzi everywhere, etc.
Half >> Accidents, injury, disease, illness, murder, rape, mutilations, robbery, theft, greed, crimes, jealosuy, no peace of mind, paranoia, etc. If you look around you, Earth is sometimes even worse than the basic concept of Hell. Only good thing is that its not infinite. Death frees us from it.
“And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death AND HADES gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.” Revelation 20:12+13.
Half >> Maybe Earth is the hell that we all are going through to make us realize the heaven we will achieve after death. People never appreciate things they have until they lose it. So maybe we are all going through life on earth to make us appreicate the afterlife more?
and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'"
Speaker >> Terral, your stance is a perfect example as to why there has been a great falling away.
Luke 3:6 quote: 6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'"
The Hebrew Old Testament, some three hundred years before the Christian era, was translated into Greek, but of the sixty-four instances where Sheol occurs in the Hebrew, it is rendered Hadees in the Greek sixty times, so that either word is the equivalent of the other. But neither of these words is ever used in the Bible to signify punishment after death, nor should the word Hell ever be used as the rendering of Sheol or Hadees for neither word denotes post-mortem torment.
SHEOL RENDERED GRAVE
Consult the passages in which the word is rendered grave, and substitute the original word Sheol, and it will be seen that the meaning is far better preserved: Gen. 37: 34-35: "And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sack-cloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days. And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him." It was not into the literal grave, but into the realm of the dead, where Jacob supposed his son to have gone, into which he wished to go, namely, to Sheol.
Speaker >> Okay, Terral, firstly, there are a couple of things that need to be put into context. Obviously, you take the bible quite literally, which is fine. As far as I am concerned, not that it matters to someone as "all wise" as you seem to be, Terral, the doctrine of "hell-fire" was inserted into the bible as a method of control by the powers that be.
Speaker >> However, I will play along and say, "Let's say that hell is an actual place where individuals go to be tormented for their misdeeds in life." Let's say there is such a place. What is ironic, you and those of your ilk, the majority of the present day "church," want people to accept that "hell" is real and that God is still loving, compassionate and forgiving. Am I right thus far?
Speaker >> So,.... how is one to unite a "hell" whether it be "tormenting" raging "fire" or the "second death" as you proclaim, with a loving, compassionate God? You see, your stance is an error in logic. Some will argue that God is "just." Okay. I'll agree with that. However, how is throwing people in a "lake of fire," regardless of what one has done, just?
“But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart YOU ARE STORING UP WRATH for yourself in the DAY OF WRATH and revelation of the RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD, who will render to each person according to his deeds: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; but to those who are selfishly ambitious and DO NOT obey THE TRUTH, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.” Romans 2:5-8.
Speaker >> You see, one can either bow to the warlike, blood god that so many of the "prophets" spoke of, or one can bow to the God of Jesus who loves his children. I choose the god of Jesus.