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Originally posted by zuri
Personnelly l think this site excist purely because of the large amount of interest from us the general public regarding the subject matter that is not Top Secret most people on here any length of time will see the title of this thread and think oh not another,this been done loads blah blah.This site isn`t run by the govt.Do govt spooks come here of course without a doubt.You think people in the CIA,NSA,MI5,MI6,CNI,Mossad etc etc etc etc don`t have a private life.There nothing special they just have a job that most people on here (won`t admit) would love to have.
Very few people in the main stream population know this site is available.Do terrorist,spooks from other threat countries anarchist etc etc etc etc come here same for the friendly spooks but l doubt that they come seeking info that can be used.There are more practical ways to gain info than wait for that post that maybe of use before the mods remove it.Therefore to release security info would be a waste of time unless the board is doin it to keep peoples interest.Maybe a mod did it to give the people here somekind of thrill, add some credibility to the site keeps the people here interested.Think about it if we proved every theory on here the site would be very baron
[edit on 27-10-2006 by zuri]
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Originally posted by Willard856
Sorry, there are some conflicting comment from Springer and SO on the telephone numbers saga. Did the member know where the number came from or not?
I'm quite surprised that an intel agency would use real numbers (going by SOs explaination). It would have been easier to set up fake lines that could be disconnected on completion, once the response time was determined.
Originally posted by Willard856
What is the policy on classified info? Has ATS been approached due to the content of a thread's discussion (as opposed to an obvious breach like someone posting a document with classified information)? Would ATS hand over the IP address of a member if requested because there was concern that their discussion breached security policies? I can think of a few people on here who may have access to classified information, but most of them are usually pretty smart when it comes to not saying too much. It simply isn't worth the jail time!
Nobody noticed anything, it wasn't an "exercise" it was telephone numbers posted by one of our members, where (s)he got the phone numbers we don't know.
No, the Member who posted the phone numbers did not tell us about it before posting them.
Short story, a Pentagon-based intel agency decided to test our response by paying a vendor firm to post hoaxed secret documents on ATS with real direct-dial numbers. Then, when members started dialing the numbers, they contacted us to ask for their removal as a means to judge how we would respond.
Originally posted by ivanterrible
Really, so If I make a post on the disinformation forum about compiling a list of the debunkers (goverment or otherwise) And keep in mind I never said I was going to publish it, then that type of info is not worthy. I'ts no wonder so many people see this site for what it possibly is! here's the MOD Jak excuse for TRASHING my post on the disinformation forum (very convenient of the them, huh)
Originally posted by RichardGeere
I believe there are moles in ATS as well. One of my posts got deleted for no apparent reason.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
I don't know why the three Amigos haven't gotten tired of these incessant "ATS is a front for the CIA/NSA" crap and saved themselves loads of headaches by posting a nice big banner on the top of the main page that says:
"Welcome to ATS, the webs most popular COINTELLIPRO site.
Originally posted by Mechanic 32
Actually they did, sort of...
Is Abovetopsecret.com a COINTELPRO site?
There is a fascinating debate on some more of the wacko sites about this issue.
This is quite complicated. Initially Catherder (a poster who seemed to come and go unanounced) created a thread that posited that a A Boeing did hit the Pentagon. on Abovetopsecret.com.... He outlined his 'facts' and as usual people debated the topic. So much so that it has to date 2585 replies with 521,228 views.
Skepticoverlord, the Admin behind ATS has a relative who saw the plane go overhead and hit the Pentagon. Therefore he had some pretty strong views on the subject.
Another website Sig******* has been basing its popularity on an article on their site which they say shows the opposite of catherders, that a Boeing did NOT hit the pentagon.
Sig****** has had over 600 million views on the page, and it serves to sell their book as well.
Lots of ego, respectability, and money are tied up in this theory by Sig******.
Inevitably the two divergent views met. Sig******** posted an article rubbishing www.abovetopsecret.com...'s article.
The article also took potshots at Skepticoverlord and Springer, claiming that they were trying to maipulate the discussion and push it in the direction that the Boing existed.
Naturally The ATS Admin were pretty pissed off at this and followed with a series of emails asking for the slur on their names to be removed.
These emails were posted on Laura Knight Jadczyk blog way down the page on the 7th January with the title COINTELPRO Updates: Above Top Secret Forum
Springer wrote ... I am disgusted by your accusation that AboveTopSecret.com, LLP is a "Government funded damage control outlet" I ask that you retract that lie.
(part of his email).
Following this acidic exchange, sig...*******.org decided that www.abovetopsecret.com... were infact a government fronted website used to vacuum up debate on the net and guide it into pro government directions, in short www.abovetopsecret.com... is a Government COINTELPRO Disinformation Operation.
Hillariously an old April fools joke where the admin admitted www.abovetopsecret.com... WAS a government backed site, has been used as evidence by Signs of the Times as proof of its actual involvement.
Now as that debate gathered steam on Laura Knight Jadczyk's blog with many anonymous and disgruntled members putting their sticks in, it seems to have created a dilemma for www.abovetopsecret.com...'s admin.
How do we avoid getting labelled as a cointelpro site in the search engines? Presumably went the backroom discussion. Such a reputation on the net could cripple a website like www.abovetopsecret.com..., and deplete its membership. Who wants to talk about such topics if they thought it was going straight to the Government?
The answer was to capture the top places in Google for the words abovetopsecret.com and cointelpro using a "google bomb". A google bomb apparently is a thread, in this case, containing the key words that makes it rank highly in Google.
By creating a thread that contained those posts and in that thread try and show that you are not a cointelpro website would reassure the members and google searchers that its all bunk.
Now in google at present there is pushing and shoving for the first place entries for the terms Abovetopsecret.com cointelpro click on the link and see that they have been somewhat successful with their thread now holding 3rd and 4th position.
What is my take on this debate?
Firstly knowing the admin from quite a few years, there is no way that this site is a government backed operation. They really are just ordinary guys.
The originator Simon Gray, is just your nice average British computer geek, with an interest in conspiracies who's website under the magic of Bill (Skepticoverlord) has blossomed far beyond its original goal.
Bill is an advertising executive in New York, with an impressive combination of programming and advertising who rebuilt the site from a stock xmb board like this one to the megalith seen today. Under his work and guidance the site has reached the massive membership and structure you see today.
The third admin, Mark (springer) is just your ordinary unemployed ex-insurance salesman.
None of them work for the government. Really
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
the typical person interested in ATS topics would not install any such software.
Oddly enough... high profile online conspiracists such as those attacking ATS are not criticized for their thinly disguised efforts of profiteering on poorly constructed theories (isn't that a disinformation technique?), or basing libelous theories on April fools jokes.
Congratulations! Did you just now figure that out? The ATS staff have already said that they believe there to be "paid posters" or disinfo agents posting on ATS.